More realignment rumors?
by MountaineerAirman on Sep 29, 2011 6:42 PM EDT
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by dubveeyou on Sep 30, 2011 8:12 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I've read that
Oliver Luck has negotiated a Deal whereby if Missouri goes to the SEC, the remaining 6 BE football teams go to the then 8-team Big 12, making a 14-team Big 12. If Missouri Stays in the Big 12, WVU goes to the SEC, and the 5 remaining BE football teams go to the then 9-team Big 12 making it a 14-team Big 12.
Basically the Big 12 would be
Texas
Texas Tech
OK
OK State
Baylor
ISU
Kansas
Kansas State
Rutgers
Cincy
Louisville
USF
UConn
and either Missouri or WVU with whichever isn’t in the Big12 being in the SEC.
And TCU is out.
And under no circumstances does anybody get sued, or screwed out of a conference ( I guess TCU doesn’t count, because they haven’t been in an AQ conference).
And that Mizzou will decide and announce whether it goes to the SEC sometime this weekend, and that shortly after that, the announcement of all the above.
I think I read this on cbssports.com on the WVU football forum, and also on bluegoldnews.com
If you read this on a football forum
then I am quite confident this won’t happen.
Unlike others, I don’t think we’re going to know anything about our future destination for quite awhile…..I do think Missou makes its intentions known and my guess is that it bolts to the SEC to insure stability, especially w/ K-State’s chancellor taking over for Brady Deaton (Missou’s) as re-alignment director of that conference.
I do think Big 12 goes after BYU (for sure) and likely Louisville or TCU (as #10)….and they stay at 10 for immediate future. This would be preferred anyhow until it’s determined that the Big 12 is a stable conference.
I would be
shocked if Cincinnati is considered for any conference re-alignment discussions in any of those conferences.
I don't necessrily believe any of what has been written
in any of the various media. It’s fun to read and think about various possibilities though.
WVU to SEC
Now I’m biased because I live in PA now but there is no way I want to see Missouri in the SEC. Their football team is nothing special and basketball isn’t what it used to be. Other then giving me more chances to see LSU play, WVU actually cares about football, which is a SEC hallmark. Plus, you have a more than solid basketball team which also fits in. If I had a vote, mine is for WVU to be the 14th member and the hell with the Big least!
Hearing that Missou is expected to remain in the Big XII (due to concessions by UT and 40 million buyout) and that the Big XII will likely target BYU as the 10th member of that conference. Also, Mike Slive will likely be patient and keep the SEC at 13 unless backchannel discussions w/ Florida St and/or Virginia Tech go well.
Thing to keep an eye on is the ACC. I would not be surprised if they were the first conference to expand to 16 teams. Evidently, UCONN VERY MUCH wants to be in that league and insiders have stated that Rutgers is also an inviting target due to geography. Same insiders have said that Rutgers may also be a target of the B1G.
Same “insiders” have stated that it is ALL about $$$, and therefore, why WVU will likely be left in an undesirable situation.
A reconfigured Big East may not be so bad if you have the following:
WVU, Louisville, Cincinnati, USF, TCU, Navy, Air Force, Army…….er, nevermind.
I still think this situation is very fluid and anything can happen in the coming 1-2 wks. Keeping fingers crossed.
I Read the below Idea on another forum, and it kinda struck me.
For all the, Realignment is about TV Viewers, and WVU isn’t a good Market, which of the following is gonna garner more viewers:
Rutgers vs. Cuse
or
Pitt. vs. BC
or
WVU vs. LSU
It doesn’t really matter the size of the media market, if the football isn’t good enough or of enough consequence for people to watch.
Also, if you are looking at population density as a primary indicator of money making potential, then the BosWash Megalopolis is the Panacea, but how many people watch BC, UConn, Rut, Temple, UMD or the entire Ivy League for that matter?
The SEC has the best football but in general, I’m assuming, is one of the most Rural Conferences. SEC Towns, as I understand, are more often than not Towns built around Schools. ACC I guess has a mix. VaTech and UVA seem to be in Towns famous for the schools( Tech moreso than UVA) College park is a suburb of DC. The NC schools seem to be schools in a larger more urban area. Maybe I’m wrong.
I think I read on MrSEC that Maryland would be a better school for the SEC than WVU. Preposterious.
Its the number of TVs that could posiibly turned on that counts
If they don’t watch the home team, they will probably watch the better teams in the conference.
The newest rumor is:
Missouri stays and the Big 12 takes BYU, Louisville and WVU – making an actual Big 12.
Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games.
Darrell Royal
lWell, it appears now that you don't have to worry about it - Missouri is gone to the SEC.
This eliminates WVU chances of going SEC.
Be prepared for a barrage of rumor and conjecture now. The strongest I have heard, from many sources, is BYU, Louisville, Cincinnati and WVU.
This brings the conference back to a 12 team conference.
Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games.
Darrell Royal
So, I think we will looking at this
Western Division
BYU
Texas Tech
Oklahoma
Oklahoma State
Baylor
Texas
Eastern Division
Kansas
Kansas State
Iowa State
WVU
Cincinnatti
Louisville
Championship Playoff Site
Jerrys world in Dallas
Floater between both divisions
Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games.
Darrell Royal
I would be shocked if WVU
was added to the Big XII or SEC…
We bring competitive teams and NO TV’s, academics (matters little)….a potentially lethal combination.
Chip Brown is
VERY much on the know (orangebloods.com-Texas Rivals site…I believe)
http://texas.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1274491
He is hearing BYU, TCU, Cincy and Louisville as the likely candidates if Mizzou bolts and this guy is usually on it.
That would leave the Big East football playing schools with WVU, USF, Rutgers and UCONN (2 of those schools didn’t even play DI football 10 years or so ago).
Your
cynicism is amazing, nearly unfathomable.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 5, 2011 7:45 PM EDT up reply actions
If you will read Deloss Dodds statement, he seems to be promoting the kids.
He was against the hellacious flying times the UT teams would have to endure in the PAC 12.
Realignment is primarily about football but the other athletic programs are important as well. WVU excels in these areas also. In addition, UT doesn’t want TCU as they are already instate and bring nothing to the table – Virginia does. AND, the WVU brand is actually better than Cincinnati or Louisville anyway.
Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games.
Darrell Royal
Chip Brown was right ONCE - and has been wrong on everything since.
Don't matter what they throw at us. Only angry people win football games.
Darrell Royal
I absolutely am overlooking something because it just doesn’t make sense that 2-3 nights ago Mountaineer Nation was about to explode w/ happiness…….and nothing has changed since that time and it’s like that evening never happened.
It couldn’t have been the fact that an airplane was at an airport. That is not news. Many people/corporations have private planes w/ alma mater decals, etc. on side.
no inside info
just connecting dots…and it has nothing to do with Monday night (Monday night was an overreaction to several different things on Twitter and BGN)
Read the BGN article regarding presidential authority (3rd article in Wednesday’s Shotgun/Throwdown). Why would they have emergency con-call night the before LSU game (and this meeting did happen) to authorize Big XII, as widely speculated at the time, or any other conference, for that matter, negotiations? He doesn’t need it. He and Luck need(ed) authorization to add sports per whatever conference’s demands. I think negotiations are farther along than Chip Brown or anyone else realizes…not saying any deals are imminent or not, but they could very well be.
my opinion
Luck and Clements learned their lesson about keeping things quiet from the Holgorsen hiring. There may even be dis-information being leaked to keep everyone off the scent.
That said, I wouldn’t be surprised if we are announced to the SEC or Big XII at any time OR not at all at this point. Basically, nothing would surprise me now, other than getting an invite to the PAC-12.
I pretty much completely agree w/ you here. I wouldn’t be surprised if we were announced to Big XII or nothing. I would be pleasantly surprised if invited by the gold standard, SEC…..but still not shocked.
There is absolutely no reason for the WVU leaders to disperse any info and am very happy that nothing is being reported, as opposed to Missouri.
Gotcha
Now that DOES make sense. That’s the information I just haven’t had the time to investigate. I pretty much get all of my info. from this blog, as it seems it’s quite intelligent and not a blog to jump to hasty conclusions based on flighttracker, etc.
If you’re confident that the meeting actually happened (and I have no reason to doubt your assurance), then I think you may have something.
WVU Needs to be in the SEC
WVU is perfect for the SEC and that is where i wan them to go. The SEC did not need to expand, but since they already added #13 i think that WVU should be #14. Here is a pretty interesting read on how it may look if they come to the SEC. http://rockytopics.blogspot.com/2011/10/missouri-fans-do-you-agree-with-this.html#comments
The SEC braintrust.
Claim their not considering adding a 14th team.Good luck in scheduling woes.
RBR resident Dogcaller.
Too bad no LSU game next year.
Made for a great rivalry.I wish other SEC schools would play WVU,maybe have better odds in the future getting in.Texas A&M got a warm welcome last Saturday courtesy of Arkansas.You guys hung with LSU for the most part,other than shooting yourselves in the foot on special teams,you had a shot.And seeing Geno slice up the vaunted ’Corndog’’secondary,as well as your offensive line hold their own versus arguably the best Defense in the nation,to me should have opened some eyeballs down South.
RBR resident Dogcaller.
We played Auburn in 2008-09 and Miss. St. in 2006-07.
Won in 2006-08, lost in 2009-11. Although, all six games were competitive. We were never outclassed, just turned the ball over a few too many times (which may have something to do with the competition).
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by Country Roads on Oct 7, 2011 7:41 AM EDT up reply actions
These are the Big XII
schools. How many are viable football/b-ball products:
UT, OU: Yes/Yes
OK St: Yes/No
Baylor: No/No
Iowa St, Kansas, K-St: No (No Iowa St, Yes 2 Kansas schools)
Mizzou: No, No
Texas Tech: No, No
Contenders:
BYU: No, No
Louisville: No, Yes
Cincy: No, No
WVU: Yes, Yes
WVU would be behind UT and OU only in terms of competition in the 2 major sports. I find it hard to believe that this wouldn’t count for something.
I disagree on a couple of things.
Ok St is viable when it comes to basketball. They don’t seem to be very good right now, but they had a pretty good team under Eddie Sutton Sr just a few years ago. They are in a region of the country where there are a good number of bball prospects as well.
Also, Mizzou has had some good bball teams recently. Much is made of the fact they’ve never been to a Final 4, but there aren’t a heck of a lot of schools that have Final 4 appearances on any consistent basis so part of that is just how the match-ups are in the tourney.
I’m talking about consistency, not one or two good years….Ok St and Mizzou haven’t provided any reasons to watch, as opposed to the brand WVU consistently provides the national landscape…..
Pittsnoggle teams….captivated America, period.
Pat White/Steve Slaton teams (possibly the fastest tandem (QB/RB) ever)
Da’Sean Butler era (including Final 4 year)
Geno Smith (this season)
I literally don’t remember a thing about either of those 2 schools, except that Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders played on a team that nipped WVU by a point in the Sun Bowl….Doesn’t help that they’re in a portion of the country known for nothing.
I don't remember WVU basketball being anything special before Bob Huggins
I know they have some history with Jerry West and they have had some good teams every now and then, but I don’t think anyone thinks of WVU as a basketball power despite the fact they’ve had some good teams the last few years. LSU went to a Final 4 a few years ago and garnered a lot of attention, but their run didn’t last. Their program is back to being one of the worst in the SEC which is itself just an average bball conference.
I think part of it just depends on how closely you follow a sport and whether or not you do it year in and year out. I’ve filled out an NCAA bracket every year for more than 10 years and in that time there aren’t a whole lot of teams that have been in the tournament almost every year.
except WVU
and the other Top 15 basketball programs in the country over the last decade.
Prior to Huggins was a coach named John Beilein (Michigan’s current coach). WVU made 2 Sweet 16 and 1 elite 8 appearances under him prior to Huggins coming to town.
I’m talking the last 10 years.
How long was Beilein at WVU?
I’m not trying to be snarky about any of this. I’m curious about all this, but I just don’t remember WVU being considered a strong program.
Mark Gottfried was the coach at Bama for about 10 years and went to a few NCAA tournaments and was a #2 seed in one season after winning the SEC. They lost early that year though. On another occasion we also went to the Elite 8 which is the farthest our program has ever been in the tourney. We also had our school’s first #1 ranking at one point during his tenure. He had some fairly good accomplishments, but I wouldn’t say anyone considers Bama a strong program overall. Hopefully, Anthony Grant will change that.
You're right, Tide.
WVU had a couple nice tourney runs under Beilein, but was never higher than a 6 seed in the NCAA tournament. Huggins is trying to change that, but in terms of reputation, WVU is currently behind Syracuse, Georgetown, Louisville, UConn, and probably Pitt and Villanova just in its own conference. I think it’s easy for WVU fans to lose perspective of how WVU is perceived nationally.
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by Country Roads on Oct 12, 2011 9:27 AM EDT up reply actions
Ya
We still weren’t really relevant nationwide until Huggins came in and we beat Kentucky. We had a George Mason like run under Beilein, and a few other solid years, but I’d say Missouri is on our level in terms of basketball in recent years.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 12, 2011 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions
And in much the same way you don’t remember OK St. or Mizzou teams, many people don’t remember WVU’s teams.
Missouri made the Elite Eight a couple years ago. Mike Anderson had a very good program going until he left for Arkansas. Before that beautiful Quinn Snyder had started to build a program before NCAA violations. In football, Missouri was ranked #1 when we were ranked #2 in 2007. They have been just as good as WVU over the last 4 years. Percy Harvin, Chase Daniels and Blaine Gabbert were all national names.
At OK St., they’ve been to two Final Fours in the last 15 years and were a regular NCAA tourny team until the Scott Sutton era. They had Big Country Reeves and Desmond Mason and John Lucas III. In football, they have steadily improved since Les Miles took over. They blew huge leads to Texas a number of times, but Dez Bryant and Zac Robinson and Justin Blackmon and Brandon Weeden are all national names.
Percy
Harvin played for Florida. You are searching for Jeremy Maclin, currently with the Eagles. Your point still stands however.
Les Miles coaches LSU; Mike Gundy is and has been the coach of OK State for a while. Again, your point still stands.
Da'Sean Butler - A Mountaineer Legend
by McCutchenIsTheTruth on Oct 12, 2011 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Couple questions
I don’t really have time to constantly monitor all the activity on twitter, or scout.com in regards to conference alignment. Most of it just seems to be overly optimistic speculation or “end of the world” talk. I was hoping someone on here would have some real answers for a few questions:
1. Is there any real reason to believe WVU will ever be in the SEC? I have yet to see a single fact that would point towards this outcome.
2. Would getting into the SEC and playing the likes of Alabama, Florida, Arkansas, LSU, and the rest of them really be a good thing? I don’t see us competing in a field like that for at least several years. Those kids down there are athletic freaks. We simply do not have that type of talent or athleticism on our roster at the number of positions that they have.
3. Would staying in the Big East for another two years really be the end of the world? Still would be AQ until 2014, I believe, and would be a much easier rout to a bowl game, or even a NC for WVU.
For so many people, it seems like it’s either the SEC, or the world is over!
1. It’s a possibility, but there’s no reason to believe it will happen until it happens.
2. Yes it would be a good thing. First, we would be in the SEC East, so we wouldn’t play Bama and LSU and Arkansas every year. And Florida is down. We played LSU tougher than Florida did. And LSU and Alabama are the two best teams in the country. Most of the schedule would be against Tennessee, Vandy, UK, South Carolina, Miss. St, etc. Those are winnable. It’d be no different than when Miami and VT or Syracuse were top 10 teams in the 90’s Big East.
3. Yes, it would be pretty bad. I’d rather compete in the Olymipics than win the Special Olympics.
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