The Shotgun/Throwdown: Tuesday (5/31/11) Edition
by WVUIE97 on May 31, 2011 10:15 AM EDT
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Welcome, By-Godders, to the Shotgun/Throwdown, WVU's nationally recognized best place for sports links, information, sophomoric humor and daily distractions. We're being brought to you today by Rio Grande Outlaw Lager, in honor of Jim Tressel and the Ohio State University Buckeyes.
Lots of former WVU players are featured in today's articles (such is the summer doldrums of college sports news). Some are giving back to the WV community and some are just looking for a chance to play some more. I have a couple articles on the recent Holgorsen events, but not too much. In my mind, it's been covered and beaten to death. Move along. Other news has some more previews to the coming football season and the basketball team's upcoming overseas trip. League news abounds and there's that little matter of schadenfreude for our neighbors to the west...
What You May Have Missed:
Big East could be affected by AAU membership - Charleston Daily Mail
Now that Nebraska has been kicked out of the AAU, the Big Whatever now says that isn't a sticking point for membership anymore...does this open up more BE schools as targets for more expansion, even WVU?
Luck Wins Simms Family Award - WVMETRONEWS.COM
Oliver Luck was announced as the 2011 recipient of the Simms Family Award by the Don Nehlen Chapter of the National Football Foundation. The honor is presented annually to a former athlete who has gone on to show leadership in the world of business.
Pat White, Former West Virginia Star Quarterback, Ponders Future In Football - LostLettermen.com
HERTZEL COLUMN: You won’t find White in the HOF - Times West Virginian
Bob just realized rule #1 for inclusion and unfortunately Pat White doesn't have the credential
Wilson Giving Back To West Virginia - WVMETRONEWS.COM
Q is giving back to the state by going around and speaking to HS students all over the state
WVU's Anthony Leonard Expecting NFL Future - WVillustrated.com
Chicago Bear J.T. Thomas Impatiently Waiting to Start Pro Career - WVillustrated.com
Simply put, the NFL lockout sucks
Spite Steers [Canute, ed.] Curtis to WVU - MSNsportsNET.Com
Thankfully, he got mad at his father that fateful day
Newberry humbled by honor - Martinsburg Journal
Mickey's Column
Mike Gansey Returns to Morgantown - WVillustrated.com
The former player was back in town working a camp
HERTZEL COLUMN: Collins hoping for his chance - Times West Virginian
JD Collins is looking for an opportunity to play some more
News of Note:
2011 West Virginia Preview - College Football News
It's an interesting situation as West Virginia has a team good enough to win the Big East title, and has an outside chance of putting together a truly special season, but head coach Bill Stewart will have to work with head-coach-in-waiting Dana Holgorsen. Can it work?
Oklahoma, Oregon, Alabama headline post-spring Top 25 - Andy Staples - SI.com
WVU in at #20 in yet another WAAAYYYYY too early poll
WVU Football Receiving National Attention - WVillustrated.com
This one speaks of the good ways WVU football is gaining attention lately
Five Guys Who Might Surprise - MSNsportsNET.Com
Pravda's look at 5 possible surprise stars this coming football season
11 Mountaineers to Watch in 2011 - WVillustrated.com
Here's Coyle's list of football players that he expects big things from
A busy summer looms for Huggins - Charleston Gazette
Aside from the usual fundraising and recruiting, they've got a little trip to Italia lined up
WVU Men's Basketball Coaches are Looking Forward to Italy Trip - WVillustrated.com
The extra practice time should be invaluable to this young team. Plus, who wouldn't want to go to Italy?
Nothing illegal, but it's still an ugly mess - Charleston Gazette
Hickman has a fairly even handed take on the recent events
Cook: Is WVU's Holgorsen next? - PPG
Kind of a heavy handed comparison (because really, there is no comparison) between the Tressel and Holgorsen situations. Tressel broke NCAA rules, Holgorsen broke etiquette rules and no laws.
Recruiting:
WVU Offers Left Tackle Robert Conyers - WVillustrated.com
A large specimen from the Miami area, he sent his video (included) to Coach Bedenbaugh and got an offer
Big Ten Or Big East? - WVMETRONEWS.COM
WR recruit Marcus Davis of Dublin Coffman HS (OH) is going through that debate now (includes video)
A Will To Compete - WVMETRONEWS.COM
Will Mahone is a RB from Austintown Fitch HS (OH) that has recently been offered by WVU (includes video)
Davis Very Interested In WVU - WVMETRONEWS.COM
Another Austintown Fitch prospect in receiver Chris Davis (includes video)
Around the League (and Beyond):
Big East in power position regarding expansion, TV negotiations - Andy Staples - SI.com
Time for Marinatto to deliver - Big East Blog - ESPN
Andrea Adelson has taken over for Bennett and rightly, I believe, takes aim at Marinatto to earn his pay
NBC/Comcast Would Like To Make You All Very Rich - Troy Nunes Is An Absolute Magician
READ THIS! Fight through the numbers at the beginning and read it all the way through.
Big East split could be 7+ years away - Down The Drive
Coach Cal: Big East will split, Central Florida 'not a sexy name' - The UConn Blog
The Big East Obituaries: DePaul University - Voodoo Five
the first of a series of posts preparing for the eminent eulogizing of our soon-to-be fallen Big East brethren
Voodoo Five Official Reaction To The Army/Navy Big East Expansion Rumor - Voodoo Five
Nicely done
Google Insights: Villanova football wouldn't deliver Philadelphia - On the Banks
Interesting research here
Video: Scheduling, TCU in the Big East - Big East Blog - ESPN
Andrea Adelson looks at Big East scheduling and TCU’s impact in the league.
Who's Going to Back Up Zach Collaros? Meet The Candidates - Down The Drive
Pitt Football: Anthony Gonzalez Suspended Indefinitely - Allegedly After Arrest - Cardiac Hill
Rutgers football coach Greg Schiano wants to be top 10 in both academics, football - Star Ledger
Well, one is attainable
Hot basketball prospect Kevin Ware commits to University of Louisville - Courier-Journal
A New Trump Card in the Big East vs. Big Ten Debate - Anonymous Eagle
Is This The Helmet Notre Dame Will Wear In The Michigan Game? - Subway Domer
Please let this be true...so we can all laugh hysterically in public at them
This Week in Schadenfreude:
Sports Illustrated investigation on Jim Tressel, Ohio State - SI.com
Report: Separate investigation targets Terrelle Pryor - Sporting News
Includes the somewhat laughable You Tube video by OSU AD Gene Smith
Gruden would take OSU gig if offered - Truth & Rumors/Fan Nation
Duh
Tressel exit could lead Buckeyes to supplemental draft - CBSSports.com
Double Duh
What's On Tap:
Bob Huggins Fantasy Camp in WVU Coliseum June 10-12 - WVillustrated.com
Cool way to spend $3000 if you have it
Video of (Dis)Interest:
Here's the latest edition of Between Two Ferns with Zach Galifianakis:
Miss Throwdown:
Today's Miss Throwdown is Polish model Monika Pietrasinska. There's a video for ya below the gallery linked picture.
Outlaw Lager image via beeradvocate.com
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I should have caught this and included it up top, but...
at this point, I think the comment would get a little more notice.
Casazza basically calls out Landon for being a slanderous hack (as diplomatically as possible, I might add:
http://blogs.dailymail.com/wvu/2011/05/31/a-failed-attempt-at-a-brief-review-of-the-weekends-events/
ha
anyone who takes landon’s articles as accurate when they talk about wvu is major….major bone head. nice job ron cook…knucklehead
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on May 31, 2011 12:05 PM EDT reply actions
SChadenfreude keeps getting better:
(link) Pryor driving on suspended license (when he showed up for workouts in his new wheels, no less) – Caleb found this one
TV contact
too much to post as a comment… so I’ve written a fanpost on how a new partnership can help us more than just financially – http://www.smokingmusket.com/2011/5/31/2199229/a-few-tv-contract-thoughts
Nune's TV contract stuff
I don’t want to delve into the numbers much, I think where we’re at, we’re prolly looking $18.5 per school. Not alot more than ESPN is offering, but its FAR greater exposure, and here’s why….
Firstly, square away that Comcast/NBC owns Versus. Versus had a Pac10 deal in place, but with the new conference media deal, are left without major player in college football to do business with.
If packaging the networks together (as would almost certainly be the case), this can get ALL of our football games on national tv, every week. This becomes a BIG bonus.
Noon game on VS, 3:30 games on NBC and VS, and 7:00 game on VS. Shuffle it around a bit when Notre Dame are playing at home, but it still works out great for us. VS had a few Pac10 games on Thursday nights before, so that’s not a hard switch to make. There’s enough room for us to all get on the same page.
We have content they need, we need a home and a fair partner. NBC/Versus also in my opinion do a GREAT job of not spreading themselves too thin. They aren’t “everything to everyone”, like ESPN, which leaves us during the fall getting lost in the shuffle of the NFL, everyone else playing football, baseball, Nascar, NBA starting, drag racing, ect… They have a few core focuses, the NHL, some college football, Indycar, WEC, and PBR… yeah its a bit jumbled, but fair more QUALITY coverage.
sorry... mutliple tabs, got F'd up
the fanpost is in far greater detail
my concern with VS
is the lack of exposure to the casual fan. WVU fans will find the games no doubt, but I for one have never watched VS casually flipping through
I agree.
If I’m looking for CFB coverage, I usually tune to ESPN. Fully understanding their inherent biases and limitations, I still think ESPN has the best CFB coverage available. If ESPN has no interest in broadcasting BE games, what’s to stop them from bashing the conference more than they already do? To me, the money needs to be significantly higher and the other network(s) need to show a serious intent to expand and improve across-the-board coverage if we’re going to go away from ESPN. But that’s just me.
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by Country Roads on May 31, 2011 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
its more than the money guys...
We complain about friday games, or games on espn3.com, or all that shit… at some point, its time to follow the NHL and Indycar, move out of the crowded apartment complex and go live in a suburb for the same price and keep our family happy. Everyone in the conference already bitches enough about our September games not being aired so everyone in the entire conference can watch them, why keep going back to the same bad situation???
Yeah, we might not get “casual” viewers flipping channels, OR, we may just get new viewers who have never given our team’s a second look, see a promo during a hockey game… or be waiting on WEC fights to start and catch the end of a game… and suddenly their exposed to us. Its 6 in one half, 6 in the other. And with the way the regional coverage, especially on saturdays, compares to national coverage, thats a big difference….
Here's my take on why there is a difference.
For the NHL and Indycar, championships are won on the playing surface. In CFB, championships are won in the eyes of the voters and in the minds of the recruits. So CFB is about more than just viewers. If I’m looking at this purely from an economic perspective, sure, I’m on board with you. But when you need to appeal to voters (AP/Harris/Coaches poll) and recruits, you need to be part of of the national discussion. Unfortunately, much of that national discussion takes place on ESPN/ABC.
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by Country Roads on Jun 1, 2011 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions
So....
regional games on local ABC affiliates are better than national tv coverage on a network with a larger footprint?
Take this example… which is commonly the case I deal with.
I live in Myrtle Beach, and have Time Warner as a cable provider. I love TWC, but they don’t offer ESPN3 because they won’t shell the $$$ out for it. TWC is the primary provider in the South.
Say WVU plays Louisville in a 3:30 game.
My options on television are:
NBC – Notre Dame home games, or golf
ABC – a Big 10 game or ACC game
CBS – the SEC game
ESPN (HD) – the alternate ABC game (or in some instances, I get an ESPN News feed (no joke, its f’n retarded!)
ESPN (SD) – the alternate ABC game, a different ACC game, or a PAC10/Big12 game
ESPN2 – Big 10 or SEC games, or occasionally NASCAR
So, to watch that 3:30 WVU game, I’m relegated to watching a hijacked stream online, or buying a PPV package. Its ridiculous.
Firstly, NBC have slots to fill, especially when ND is on the road.
Secondly, Versus is a national network. Is it as well known as ESPN, no, of course not. But its on 65% of most basic cable packages. Its part of basic cable here in the south, its part of it back home in WV (at least in Charleston.)
Again, ***ALL*** Big East conference games can be on NATIONAL television. No simulcasts! No split coverage. That recruit, sitting in Atlanta, or Charlotte, or Tallahassee, can see OUR teams play, not just the teams from the region they live in. “Hey, I got a call from WVU, maybe I should check a few of their games and their opponents out…”
Yes, I understand that discussion drives the bus, but think about TCU. How many of their games were on ESPN last year? And didn’t they get talked about a bunch? Didn’t they play in the Rose Bowl? Finish the season #3??? The day and age of “you gotta be here” is gone. Writers and voters have enough avenues that they don’t necessarily HAVE to rely on ESPN for telling them whose good. They just have to do their jobs. And they’ve shown they can and are willing to do that.
Also, by the end of this summer, Versus is going to completely re-branded as NBC Sports. That’s already a process that on the legal side has begun. There’s going to be a TON of steam and marketing and cross-promotion behind this, because NBC are protecting their Olympic investment. This isn’t like we’re going to a cable network that noone has, or has heard of.
Not to mention
being “part of the discussion” didn’t exactly help Cincinatti two years ago when they were undefeated. They were on ESPN a few times, just like we are now. How’d that work out? It ended with their coach being sick of the politics and going somewhere where he had a chance. Where his games are ALWAYS on tv. Where he can control a big part of a different message than the one coming from the Mark May’s and Jesse Palmer’s of the world.
You don’t think that he’s in a better situation now? He has a network that trumpets his team. Writers and voters working for the Comcast empire that buy into it. Wait til he has them winning 10 games a year. We can have that same kind of relationship.
Think how CBS go to bat for EVERYTHING the SEC does. Look at cbssports.com sometime in October, and its a pandering of writers saying “which SEC team will play for the national title?”.
We can get that same press and a solid, committed, PARTNER to do the same for us….
You make some really good points, and ones that I hadn't really thought of.
Hard to do as it may be, I think you’ve changed my mind lol.
I guess I’m just a brand loyalist at heart and not usually open to new and different ideas that may actually be better in the long run. Based on some of the things you’ve laid out, I can see where this could be a boon for the Big East. Let’s hope it plays out that way.
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by Country Roads on Jun 2, 2011 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions
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