WVU vs. USF Grades: A Unit-By-Unit Look At The Mountaineers Victory Over The Bulls
That bitter taste in my mouth from Thursday’s game has been replaced with the sweet taste of oranges. I never knew oranges could taste so good. Then again, I didn’t know orange juice came without vodka mixed in.
While some teams would be disappointed about backing into the BCS, we’re West Virginians, we love backing into things. Just walk around the parking lot at any Walmart in the state and look at all the big trucks backed into spaces. That is our style, it is how we roll.
Overall: B-
I’m grading this high because we ultimately won the game, but for the life of me I have no clue how it occurred. We did everything in our power to give away this game away. I’ve heard some say, probably myself included, it just shows that Dana is a better coach than Stew because we are winning these games. “Hello? Hello? Anybody home? Huh? Think, McFly.” We are winning the same percentage of these games as we did under Stew.
We just got lucky other Big East records fell the way they did.
Offense: D
What in the hell is going on out there? We looked absolutely inept until the fourth quarter.
Defense: B
Saved the day by forcing a turnover USF’s final drive. I hope Keith Tandy doesn’t get drafted by the Tampa Bay Bucs because he loses all of his physical ability to play football while playing at Raymond James.
Special Teams: A
For all that Tavon Austin lacks in punt catching ability, he makes up for with the way he returns kick-offs. That boy is electric. Bitancurt once again saved his most clutch kick of the season for the last play of the game.
Offensive Coaching: D-
Insert a paragraph from last season’s offensive troubles here. I’m too lazy to do research so, I’ll just write a new one, but I’m sure you will get the picture.
Zero passing touchdowns the entire game against a secondary that was awful against Louisville. We punted from the USF's 37. Horrible clock management in our final possession will be glossed over by the fact that Studman Bailey made a great catch. I thought we got rid of Stew this offseason?
Defensive Coaching: B-
While they were not overly impressive, this unit got the job done. While there was still some inconsistent tackling and a lack of pressure on the QB, we forced two big turnovers that ultimately won us the game. The worse part of the effort were the back-to-back timeouts in the second half.
Replay Official: F
You’re an idiot.
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These post-game grade posts are awful
Just entirely devoid of analysis and incredibly negative without being informed or even remotely constructive. This WVU is not exactly the New England Patriots, but just constantly invoking Bill Stewart or giving everyone a D based your half-assedly watching the game is not analysis and you’re not helping anyone. If you’re going to do a position by position breakdown, watch the game a few times in DVR, give us some player grades from watching it, put up some video, make a chart, do something. This is lazy and useless.
WVUIE, stop me if I'm speaking out of turn here.
The point of these posts is generally to initiate discussion about how we, as fans, thought the team played that given week. I think 5th Year does a pretty good job of that, and mixes in humor while doing so.
The premise of SB Nation and the blogs that comprise it (like this one) is to be an online fan community. The editors of this site, like you, are passionate WVU fans with regular jobs and regular lives. We run the site because we love to have an online forum to come and discuss WVU from a uniquely fan perspective. Unfortunately, none of us played college football, and none of us really has the time or expertise to offer the type of in-depth analysis you’re asking for.
I don’t mean to come off as flippant, but if you’re looking for that type of analysis, you’re probably not going to find it here. That’s just not our mission.
That being said, we hope you stay and join us in the discussion. What did you think the team did particularly well or especially poorly? What grades would you assign, and why?
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by Country Roads on Dec 5, 2011 3:12 PM EST up reply actions
Fair point
But most of the other SBNation fan blogs try to give you something extra beyond what you’d find on just a random message board. Otherwise, what’s the point? Not asking for Mike Mayock or something but I just found this particularly useless. As you say, SBNation is all about fan blogs so that’s just my opinion and others can disagree.
In terms of grades I think I give a lot of Bs, B minuses and Cs. To be specific the issues with the offensive line are well documented: not only has WVU done a poor job recruiting those guys the past few years, plus the injury to Josh Jenkins in preseason, but the offensive line was recruited to run block like Trickett wanted which required slim guys who could make reach blocks on outside zones. They didn’t really work for Mullen and they aren’t a good fit for Holgorsen because they want big bodied guys who can pass protect and block screens. That’s why he went to Feigt and Spain against Pitt; they have bodies they need. Dana has tried to adapt by running the ball more. And despite not having Noel Devine and starting a slow but trusty Shawne Alston and a two-star freshman because he’s the only guy you have with vision, the running attack averages basically the same yards per carry and has more rushing touchdowns, and that includes if you just limit the stats to conference only over the last two years (eliminates the Bowling Green this year but also the weak early season rushing performances).
There are also a lot of NFL guys on the defensive line this season in the Big East. Even UConn, who sucks, has a legit first round defensive tackle, and Pitt, Cincy, and USF have NFL guys up front. Not an excuse but it is what it is.
This has altered playcalling a lot for Dana. Again, I’m not saying that it’s good or bad, or that he shouldn’t be able to adapt, but it just is a fact. (I also remember a guy by the name of Rodriguez who believed in running his system even through struggles and recruiting players to fit it.) The big thing is that Holgorsen’s offense is built around dropback passing and that has had to go out the window because they can’t protect it. It’s one thing to say “call different plays” but you have to remember you fit your practice schedules to your offense, and right now West Virginia practices in the same way that Oklahoma State and others do in terms of going from one period to the next and where they focus. Dana has been working on adjusting this but it’s a work in progress.
In terms of receivers, I give this group a C or C+ for the season. One of the key tenets of Holgorsen’s offense is he wants to spread the ball around. Before the season Shannon Dawson talked about how “the ball finds the playmakers” but that they wanted the distribution of the ball to be “fairly even.” Bailey has obviously exceeded expectations and is a wonderful, dynamic player. He’s not as physically gifted as say Justin Blackmon or Michael Crabtree, two other receivers Holgorsen coached, but he’s dedicated and consistent. The problem is that the other guys are not consistent at all. Both Pitt and USF put a guy over Stedman to jam him at the line and rolled a safety to play over the top, often over the top of him alone (rather than the half-field generally). Even on the big fourth down catch he had, they were rotating two guys to his side and he bent his route outside and came inside — just an amazing play.
The problem is that the other receivers have generally been disappointing. The “Y” position guys, Urban and Brown, aren’t world beaters but I expected them to be more consistent. You can say they don’t “call enough plays” for those guys but that’s false as they are an option on every pass play — that’s how the O is built. They just haven’t done a great job getting open, and in the last two weeks each of Urban and Brown had a really killer fumble that nearly cost WVU the game. I suppose that’s coaching but it’s also an issue.
The “Z” receiver position has also been extremely frustrating. McCartney showed flashes early as he’s obviously a pretty raw kid but has great size and ball skills to catch it at the high point, but either for physical reasons (he’s been jammed at the line every week) or injury (he got dinged up at Syracuse and I have no idea how serious that’s been) he hasn’t been the same player since. Against Pitt he was matched up one on one and just got abused by Pitt DBs. The coaches put JD Woods out there for most of the game against USF and he seemed to do a little better but couldn’t get free down field one-on-one and McCartney saw some time late as well. The upshot is that for the offense to go they need other guys to step up besides Bailey to take away the pressure and provide more diversity. This is coaching but it’s also just guys rising to the occasion the way Bailey did.
The X factor of course is Tavon, who is a remarkable player and is a big reason why we’ve won the last three weeks, though he also potentially cost us the game against Pitt with the punt he should have fielded that hit Banks and the punt he muffed. I hope he comes back next season as he still has a long way to go develop as a receiver in route running (most of his best plays are still screens, reverses and that flip forward jet sweep), but if you watch him closely he still misses blocks when asked to block for teammates and doesn’t always run his routes full speed.
After the game against USF he took the blame for the screen pass interception. He was supposed to block the guy who intercepted it and he went to block someone else. As I said he’s still the most dynamic guy on O but he has a long way to go.
I won’t get into runningback except that it’s not a perfect situation though it should be better next year. Buie is disappointing, Garrison is a great story because he’s so little and playing with great vision but obviously doesn’t have great breakaway speed or strength, and Alston gets you tough yards but takes a lot of losses on plays because he doesn’t have much burst and has only okay vision. They’re all getting better.
I’ll try to be less wordy on defense but those guys have obviously improved. A big change for them is that after the Louisville game they started rotating in more players, which was something Dana talked about as Casteel was basically just going with the starters and those guys would wear down, especially with the tempo on offense. Dana slowed down the tempo but they rotated in more guys, as now Jenkins is starting at CB, Banks sees action, we have multiple linebackers rotating in and out and guys like Will Clarke and Shaq Rowell have been doing work on the D line. I think that has helped a lot.
The biggest problem for the defense has been the mediocre nose guard and middle linebacker play. You can say it’s a 3-3-5 thing but it’s also the case with 3-4 teams and some pretty good coaches use that. Worked better last season with Nield, but it is what it is. Casteel has long said in the 3-3-5 your nose guard needs to be your best player and that hasn’t been the case. Couple it with mediocre linebacker play and you have issues. We’ve gotten killed on play action and wheel routes this year because we struggle against inside runs so guys overcommit.
I won’t say much about special teams except that I am convinced there’s no magic recipe for having great special teams and ST are a big reason why WVU won against USF.
Finally, how did Dana do as an HC this year? I said previously in a comment that I give him an okay grade as an OC because that was the job he was hired to do, he put together the system and got guys bought in, and the offense has dramatically improved, even if the last couple of weeks weren’t exactly high scoring. They got the scores when they needed them and the knock earlier in the year was that Dana’s offense got yards but no wins. Now it’s getting wins and still leads the conference in yards (including yards just versus conference opponents) and it’s suddenly terrible or the same as Bill Stewart. That’s silly.
Dana as head coach is trickier. He’s hardly Vince Lombardi just yet, having to learn on the fly. I think he’s gotten better, as his teams have found ways to win. You never know if that’s just luck or there’s something to it, but for now at 9-3 with the hand they were dealt I think he did an okay job, considering he and the Ohio State coach must have the shortest head coaching tenures of anyone other than guys hired now — June or July to now is not a long time. This isn’t an excuse, but more that he knows he’s got to get better and I think he’s doing it. I didn’t see a lot of clock management issues this year or other really weird things. There were questionable decisions, including the choice to kick the field goal against Louisville, but if he erred it was usually on the side of the “conventional” wisdom rather than just going crazy video game out there with it.
So I think Dana is a lot like this team: Surprisingly, maybe shockingly, they are much better than average, but they are young, inexperienced, prone to mistakes, but with massive upside. I get the frustration as sometimes the offense looks like a machine and then you wonder how they can go punt, turnover, punt, punt, halftime? But nobody is perfect, these are kids, and I think the program is going the right direction. Dana needs to better embrace West Virginia, the state, the program, and his role as head coach, but I’m a lot happier having a guy who knows at least a few things well than the previous guy who I wasn’t sure knew much of anything at all. But that’s my view. As you said, it’s a fan site, and what’s football if we’re not entitled to our opinions?
(And yes, this is exactly what I’d like to see from people given the space to comment on this website full time. Even if they disagree with everything I said, it’d be nice to get some quality info.)
by gurandy on Dec 5, 2011 4:42 PM EST up reply actions 4 recs
well thought out
and written. Thanks for the input. We try to be equally entertaining as well as informative and sometimes we fall short in one or the other, sometimes both. Time to create this content is at a premium for us, as we all have real jobs and do this in our spare time.
I love the site
Sorry if I was caustic, just felt like the one post wasn’t up to the usual standards. I would rather read the SM than ESPN any day, just venting a bit as I’m very excited about the Orange Bowl even if we’re not exactly LSU. No reason to be down about the Mountaineers right now. If we lose to Clemson, they’ll be plenty of time to critique the season.
Actually...
…that was fantastic. And I agree with basically everything you said. You’re right that we could use more of that here.
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by Country Roads on Dec 5, 2011 6:48 PM EST up reply actions
I feel very inadequate
Your analysis was great and very well thought out. I haven’t written a lot recently because I’m trying to balance a new job, pretending to help plan a wedding and some down time. Excuses excuses I know. I need to be better about giving some meat with my sour grapes.
I voted yes in the coaching approval meter because I think Dana has been good enough in his first season given the hand he was dealt.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 5, 2011 8:45 PM EST up reply actions
lets just hope
redbull has some o linemen, a NT, and some corners in the pipeline
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by oldtimehockey09 on Dec 5, 2011 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
Won't matter, no way they come in and make that much of a difference as a freshman.
What r we supposed to do next year?
by Dynamicduo on Dec 5, 2011 9:06 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Enjoy your rec
I agree with your thoughts for the most part. My wish is that we have some offensive line help for the future and things will fall into place.
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Thank you for that analysis....
I’ve heard people in other forums say “Well, 9-3 is the same Stewart got us, so what’s the deal with Holgorsen?” How convenient of them to forget that in Stewart’s first year he went 8-4 in the regular season. We’re already better than that this year.
Now, it’s time to see how we fare in the Bowl game, which this year is much better [and against tougher competition] than Stewart’s first year. I was at the 2008 Meineke Bowl and am convinced that the only reason we won that game was that Pat White refused to lose.
What I saw in Tampa on Thursday is that Geno and Stedman have that same kind of drive to win. That last play to set up the field goal happened right in front of me, and it was truly a beautifully run route with a spectacular catch at the end. The best part, however, was Shawne Alston having the presence of mind to drag an obviously shaken-up Bailey back onto WV’s side of the line and stand him up so Geno could spike the ball.
"Oh, to sail away, To sandy lands and other days"
Achilles' Last Stand, Led Zeppelin
This is, without a doubt, the longest post I have ever seen!
I, like most of the rednecks from Texas with short attention spans, will have a hard time reading your posts, when you start playing us nest year.
Proud of your offense? Manny badger don't give a shit!
You Forgot!
Two important things like a grade for the officals and then under Stew we would have taken a knee during most of these wins we are lucky and have a great bowll game to watch and for the lucky to attend!
Bob Wissler
ALSO
Stew would have burned his timeouts sooner too. I’m THRILLED TO BE WHERE WE ARE. Let’s enjoy this ok. Let’s pass on a happy vibe to the team.
I have to say this offense really worries me.
I think it’s a combo of things, but I’m wondering if holgerson isn’t one of those great offensive minds that can’t be a great head coach, I know it’s too early to tell but we didn’t spread the field AT ALL in this game. Every pass was a 5 yd underneath throw or a quick screen. We threw the ball over 10 yards twice that I remember and both were completions. Once to urban across the middle and then at the end to stedman. If the defense knows ur going to throw the ball 10 yards or shorter EVERY SINGLE PLAY they can crowd the box. We need to throw the ball down the field more, even if it’s incompletions at least it keeps the defense honest. That was the biggest flaw I saw in this game, that and our O-line is just pitiful. I give the offense a D- as well. Our defense had as many touchdowns for crying out loud and I give the offensive coaching a D- as well.
Special teams play B
They have gotten a lot better and the best coaching descision of the yr was taking tavon off punt returns. He’s a great player but can’t catch a punt to save his life.
Defense C
They were average overall. They made some big plays, but our tackling was pathetic in this game. The two cancel each other out. A C is average which is how they played.
Defensive coaching a B-
This defense was absolutely horrible at the beginning of the yr and I didn’t think they would get any better. They still aren’t the defense of last yr but they have improved a lot. The only explanation is coaching.
Overall this team deserves a B. they lost two games they ABSOLUTELY shouldn’t have lost, but they did win the conference and are going to a BCS bowl which was our goal at the beginning of the season. This was holgerson’s first yr as a head coach and it was a learning experience. There were some times this offense was unstoppable and some times it couldn’t gain a yard. The jury is still out on how good of a head coach he will be. He did have a very bad offensive line to deal with, but we have the best skills players in the conference. I still think he can be great, but he has a lot of learning to do. I hope we play great in the orange bowl and I look forward to seeing how this team progresses in the offseason.
by Dynamicduo on Dec 5, 2011 3:52 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Luck is on our side this year.
Oliver Luck
Big 12 Membership
Inept Big East Teams
I agree we backed into this thing, but in the past few years it seems that luck is often alluding us. I’ll take it when we can get it.
by Mountaineer Chuck on Dec 5, 2011 4:44 PM EST reply actions
Sometimes the bounces go your way, sometimes not
It definitely went our way on the last field goal try.
I hate people that back into parking spaces!
Yes, they deserve to die! And I hope they burn in hell!
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O_o
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by MountaineerAirman on Dec 6, 2011 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I never understood the fascination with that parking style, but die and burn in hell????
I reserve that for people yakking on their cells or texting while driving.
"Oh, to sail away, To sandy lands and other days"
Achilles' Last Stand, Led Zeppelin
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 6, 2011 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
i back into spots everywhere
a) its easier to pull out when i’m leaving
b) there’s very little chance of getting dinged or not seeing someone coming up the aisle
c) here in Myrtle, our lots are ridiculously crowded, especially during the summer, and sometimes its hard to tell when someone lets their bastard kids run around un-supervised

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