Hey Louisville, Morgantown Isn't So Bad
by JohnRadcliff on Nov 1, 2011 12:59 PM EDT
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The news that Louisville will not be sending their Cheer and Dance teams to Morgantown this Saturday for safety issues is a bunch of crap. In my mind, it's just a jilted ex-lover going out of their way to make the other ex-lover look bad. Believe me, we know something about jilted ex-lovers.
The idea that Morgantown is any worse a place to visit than any other college football town is silly on a lot of levels. Mostly because WVU doesn't own the market on stupid drunk people. You can find those types pretty much everywhere. As someone that's gone to quite a few road games, I can say that you have to be ready to defend yourself everywhere you go. Except Mississippi State. Those folks were wonderful to us. But I bet if I had looked hard enough, I would have found someone that wanted to fight me because of the clothes I was wearing.
If anything, WVU developed a bad reputation a long time ago. So every time anything negative happens in Morgantown it turns into a "see, I told you so" moment. The key to visiting Morgantown or any college football town is to not walk past a house full of drunk 18-year-olds wearing your school colors. Five minutes of research can usually help you accomplish this. But what you've done by signaling to the world that Morgantown is not a safe place for your fans or cheerleaders, is you've put a bulls-eye on every fan that does come to Morgantown this weekend. Because if you call someone an A-hole, they're probably going to be an A-hole to you every time they see you. My own suggestion to Mountaineer fans is that you kill them with kindness. Be so over-the-top nice to Cardinal fans that they kind of resent you for it. Sometimes, it's mind games.
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Poor fan behavior shouldn't be accepted in Morgantown or anywhere else for that matter. It seems like an issue college football has been fighting for as long as I can remember. But in this post 9/11 world, I'd like to think we could all find a way to come together as Americans and stop all this pettiness.
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by TheUndergraduate on Nov 1, 2011 2:00 PM EDT reply actions
Their cheerleaders will be great in C-USA.
It's like saying you dislike Don Frye's mustache, which itself is the equivalent of spitting on the Constitution. - Anthony Pace
Just so you know, not like you care, but the spirit squad won't be making the trip because of what happened in 2009.
They had trash and full beer cans thrown at them, some were actually spit on, and when they complained to the law enforcement officers on the sidelines they weren’t treated much better.
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Nov 1, 2011 2:45 PM EDT reply actions
I don't remember hearing about that at all.
Usually that type of stuff gets plastered all over the newspaper and blogs, and this week is the first I’ve heard of it. And frankly, I have a hard time believing that happened AND that security did nothing about it. I’ve been to every home game save one since 2004 and have never witnessed that type of behavior. Not saying it doesn’t happen, I just feel like this is a convenient time to bring it up for the first time. Especially since the cheerleaders typically stand right in front of the visiting fans and band.
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by Country Roads on Nov 1, 2011 2:52 PM EDT up reply actions
That LSU fan had a broken nose, fractured eye socket, fractured frontal lobe.
What does that mean? That means he was beaten severely around the head and face. As in blunt force trauma, as in hospitalized in front of his pregnant wife who also sustained minor injuries when she was thrown to the ground.
Sick.
Tell me, just how many times does something like this have to happen before the negative reputation is "earned?"
Does someone actually need to be killed instead of hospitalized before the hooliganism is owned by the rest of the fans who are "the good ones?"
Because that’s really the only way it’s going to stop. When the fans who are the "good ones" finally say enough is enough and force the administration to do something about it.
IE: Fine them heavily, throw them in jail, prosecute them to the full extent of the law, expel them from school, ban them from games, ect,ect,ect…
I’m sure there are plenty of wonderful WVU fans who go to games to have a good time and don’t engage in random acts of thuggery, but there are enough of them that make it prevalent enough that this is the reputation the entire fan base has.
When people are legitimately scared to come to your town for a sporting event then there’s a problem. Shouldn’t be that way. You should want people to come to your town, stay in your hotels, eat at your restaurants, spend their money on your economy. That’s just not the case in Morgantown.
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Nov 1, 2011 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
what happened to the LSU fans was reprehensible
but, it had nothing to do with WVU or it’s fanbase….the lady involved is even quoted as so…it was a random act of violence that unfortunately happens in cities across the US, including Louisville.
The Masons were at the game supporting Louisiana State University, which beat WVU 47-21. However, Helen Smith said her daughter’s vehicle had no stickers or flags indicating they were LSU fans.
“It was just a random act of violence,” she said.
So it makes it better that it was random?
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Nov 1, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
It wasn't fan related, Chick.
They had nothing to make anyone think they were LSU fans.
Don’t make me go searching through the internet to find 100 incidents of random violence in the streets of Louisville, because I could. You could do that for ANY city in the country, especially cities with large universities.
"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West
by MountaineerAirman on Nov 1, 2011 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Okay, you go ahead and keep living on that river in Egypt, and pretend that there's not a problem in Morgantown on game day.
And let’s pretend like it doesn’t go back a long way too…
- Randy Shannon was hit in the head by a 55-gallon plastic garbage can thrown from the stands. Shannon sued the school
- just before Shannon was hit with the 55-gallon garbage can he was almost hit by an unopened can of beer
- In 1993, UM players were hit with cups of tobacco juice after a WVU win.
- in 1994, Miami defeated West Virginia and the UM players wore their helmets to the locker room due to being constantly spat on through the tunnel.
- in 1998 vs. Maryland the Mountaineers were penalized twice for throwing objects onto the field.
- Players beign called the “N word” or told to “go back to Africa”
I’m all for fan creativity. I wouldn’t want to squash that out of the WVU fanbase. What I would like to squash is the violent and lawless behavior that occurs on Saturday’s on campus inside and around Mountaineer Field. It’s an abomination that this is even a topic of discussion. On TV, the scene on College GameDay for the LSU game was fantastic, something an outsider would want to be a part of and experience. But as evidenced from what happened in traffic outside the stadium, it probably isn’t a place or situation that you would want to subject yourself to.
Bottomline, criminals need to be arrested & prosecuted just like any other day. And those who have ties to WVU through enrollment or donation need to have those ties cut. The people who aren’t connected to the university and cause problems should have restraining orders levied so that they are breaking the law by even being there if they are found to be breaking the law during a Mountaineer football game. Until the laws are enforced and punishment for acting like a total buffoon and embarrassing a good university is handed down this behavior will not stop. If I were President Clements I would aggressively put this kind of behavior in the rear view mirror and start re-establishing his school’s good name.
Also, every ticket to every game is a revokable license. The Administration should begin ejecting and not admitting those with vulgarities on their clothing. Until the fans see consequences for soiling the universities reputation this will never end. Unfortunately there are a lot of fans (definitely not all of them) that need their hands held and taught manners.
Bottomline, there seems to be a disconnect from the segment of the West Virginia fanbase that I have been referring to on respecting your opponent, the game, their school, etc. It’s all about respect. Without your opponent there is no West Virginia Football, there isn’t a game. Why soil that relationship with your opponents and alienate your opposing fans week after week when they traveled to Morgantown trying to have good time, support their team, and experience a new college atmosphere? Why ruin that? Why not become ambassadors for your school?
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Nov 1, 2011 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
We get it.
But I think you’re being a little over the top here. Nobody on this site or who I am friends with would disagree with the portion of your post in the blue.
Our point here is that we have enough bad behavior that has been substantiated. We don’t need more unsubstantiated rumor to tarnish our image. We want to overcome that. And it doesn’t help when people say that UL isn’t sending their cheerleaders to the game because they were allegedly spit at the last time they were here—-especially when there was nothing of the sort reported after that game. And it doesn’t help when people try to tie random acts of violence to WVU fan behavior when there isn’t a link.
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by Country Roads on Nov 1, 2011 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Case in point:
Last time I was in Louisville (2008), a friend’s car—-with a WV license plate—-was broken into in our hotel parking lot not far from the Louisville campus and the person made off with a stereo, GPS, CDs, and money.
I could try to pin that on horrible Louisville fan behavior because the people saw the WV license plate and decided to vandalize the car. But in all reality, it’s more likely just a random criminal act that had nothing to do with who people rooted for. There’s a difference, and that difference is important.
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by Country Roads on Nov 1, 2011 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions
That is random crime
The family in Morgantown were pulled from their car in a stadium parking lot immediately following a football game and a man was severely beaten for having the audacity to ask a group of people if they had just thrown a rock into his car.
The victims were random. The violence wasn’t. It was a stadium lot, and the perpetrators were leaving the football game, and THAT is the difference. If it had happened in downtown Morgantown at noon on a Thursday, it would be a random criminal act. It sucks about your car. I knew plenty of people when I went to school at UofL that had their cars broken into on campus and nearby; you were a victim of theft by a petty criminal. If you told me there was a problem with petty criminals near the UofL campus, I would agree with you. The family was a victim of aggravated assault by drunken football fans, but the WVU community refuses to acknowledge that there is an issue.
because clearly wvu is the only place where druken violence at football games occurs
wvu is no better or no worse then any major D1 institution out there. get off your high horse.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 2, 2011 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions
This one time at band camp...
We get it, you hate us. I just think you need to stop making excuses for not selling all your tickets. You “football fans” are non-existent.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 1, 2011 8:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Ah most of this stuff is internet bullshit...ALL schools have idiots
Im sick and tired of all these lying and mostly “he said she said” bullshit posts….so all to goodie two shoes that are “spotless” and never have problems cant FO….oh///////////////////////
What WVUIE said...
The images of a bunch of WVU fans in Blue and Gold standing over LSU fans in Purple that you and every other person who comments about this are trying to portray are absolutely false. It’s a shame that people perpetrate (spelling?) this stuff.
WVU Fans Attacking LSU fans did not happen.
I go to about 4 home games a year and the only time I’ve seen anything remotely close to what people describe is when opposing fans troll past the Pit (now know as the “Student Tailgate Area”) almost asking for the verbal insults and physical threats of violence. Not that that is acceptable, and it has happened less and less over the years as the University took control of the “Student Tailgating Area.”
If you really want a reason not to come to Morgantown, you should read about the shooting that occurred on High Street in Downtown Morgantown later that night. I’m a WVU fan and it has been making me think twice about going to Morgantown (we stay at the Hotel Morgan, 3 blocks from where this shooting occurred).
Walking anywhere - at any time - should not be considered "almost asking for...physical threats of violence"
with the exception of where I’m at right now – and hell, I’ve felt perfectly safe in Baghdad – even had Christmas Dinner a block away from a Catholic Church in Downtown Baghdad. Granted we had our body armor on and were locked and loaded until we went into the house, but still.
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I may not have been clear. Walking up to a bunch of WVU fans
and behaving just as the WVU fans are.
Along the lines of:
WVU Fan: F%^& You Herd! Go back to Huntington
MU Fan: F#$% you. Bring on it Hillbilly.
I was going to say something along the lines of what WVUIE97 said.
Yes, it was sick. But it had nothing to do with who those people were rooting for. WVU fans have certainly had their fair share of embarrassing incidents, and those seem to be pretty well documented. I can’t say I’ve ever witnessed something in person, but the reports are out there, some of which have been substantiated.
All I’m saying is that this is the first I’ve heard of a particular incident involving a Louisville cheerleader. If things happened as you said, I would fully expect a public apology from WVU and reprimand to our fans. And that’s in addition to plenty of negative press about the whole fiaso. I don’t buy bringing it up 2 years later as an excuse for not sending the cheerleaders and band.
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by Country Roads on Nov 1, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
It didn't happen.
A rumor starts on the internet and everyone “knows” it must be true.
"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West
by MountaineerAirman on Nov 1, 2011 3:46 PM EDT up reply actions
how do you know
this guy didnt pop off at the mouth and get smacked up and down the parking lot? you dont. stfu
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 PM EDT up reply actions
^Case in point.... "he probably deserved it" is what I see here
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Nov 2, 2011 12:09 AM EDT up reply actions
it doesnt change the fact that
your argument is null and void based on the simple fact that there was and still is nothing saying this is or was in relation to the game.
how many times are you going to change your story about what YOU THINK happened that night? my point was nobody other then the guy, his family and the attackers. you have no clue what your talking about. obvious troll is obvious.
carry on
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 2, 2011 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions
Not to Mention that the victims didn't call an ambulance or the Police.
The Police Report was filed like 2 days later. No one really knows the facts except for the people involved. And the people involved didn’t involve the police for several days following the incident. So for all you or anyone else knows, these people could have started the fight and upon going to hospital with injuries (for picking a fight with the wrong people), and the hospital notifying the police, they need to offer a story.
Have any witnesses come forward and said, Yeah I saw this occur? No…I suppose you will say that is because WVU fans are apathetic towards violence? Stuck in a parking lot with traffic after a wVU game and there is no police presense? Yeah right there are Cops everywhere. I can’t verify this sentence, but I doubt it’s possible to get from a jammed-up parking lot out to the interstate or even arterial roads w/out passing 4 or 5 or 10 cops.
The facts are that there are no corroborating witnesses. No police called to the scene. All these stories are based on the words of people whom allegedly suffered serious injury, in a jammed up parking lot full of people and no one saw anything or helped them, and didn’t seek help from the police or even report anything for several days.
So how again do you come to the conclusion that our fans are violent? Because some people got seriously injured in a fight, and 2 days later they say it wasn’t their fault?
Not saying it does or doesn't happen - never been to Morgantown, but this is not the first time these "rumors" have been circulated.
It’s not just convenient. Any away game at Morgantown, it’s all over the boards I’ve been on (primarily CBSSports and CardChronicle – where most from cbs migrated to because of the stupidity and trolls that permeated that site).
No offense is meant in this post. I’m a serviceman and the only reason I came over here was that there was supposedly something about a 9/11 quote on here. I saw that – nothing big, but kept reading.
Again, I’m a serviceman – Airborne Ranger qualified infantryman – and I’d be hesitant to go to a WVU game without several buddies based on what I’ve heard. Not saying it is reality, but perception is often considered reality and it wouldn’t be prudent – based on perception – to attend that hostile of an environment without someone watching your 6. Maybe I’ve been given the wrong impression about WVU and Morgantown. I’ll reserve judgement for if/when I ever have the opportunity or time to make that trip.
Good luck in what I’m sure will be essentially a war in Morgantown. I’ll be pulling for my Cards. GO CARDS!
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Couple thoughts.
1. Thank you for your service to our country.
2. Based on my personal observations, you don’t need a whole posse to survive a trip to Morgantown. If people try to start trouble, though, know how to walk away. It’s when people try to be tough and mouth back that things start to escalate.
3. If you do come to Morgantown, you’re welcome at my tailgate any time.
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by Country Roads on Nov 1, 2011 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions
BFS
first off dont expect any kudos from me for being ranger qualed. been there done that got the t shirt. I dont feel the need to flaunt my service unless someone really pisses me off….
secondly you are always going to hear bad things about a fan base based on one incident. who here is going to go to dodger stadium or would with a giants jersey on? whos going to philly with a pens jersey on? whos going to…..
thirdly ive read a number of your posts and if you seriously think your safer in bagdad then in morgantown you either have a seriously warped sense of danger or there hasnt been a shot fired inside bagdad in about a year.
and op was dead on in calling out this “pettyness in the post 9/11 era”. there is nothing wrong or even remotely out of line with it
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 1, 2011 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Believe what you want - it's obvious many of you are in denial.
Wasn’t flaunting my service – was stating that’s the only reason I came over here (9/11 comment). I don’t follow any sports other than UofL (FB and BB essentially – but to steal a line from a UofL fan, I’d watch a UofL Chess match in a blizzard if national implications were on the line). The thought of a “derogatory” 9/11 comment piqued my interest – so I came over and as I stated originally, it didn’t bother me at all after reading it…
Agree, we will always hear horror stories about different institutions. Nobody should fear for their safety in any venue – PERIOD. Because it happens at other places doesn’t justify it happening in Morgantown.
whos going to…..
Doesn’t justify the behavior demonstrated and documented by any amount of WVU fans. I’ll admit we have some idiots too, but you’ll not see NEARLY as much documented about UofL fans and violence IMO as is regularly reported about WVU fans – specifically in Morgantown (reads much more than one event). If you think it’s something to be proud of, you’re sick.
I didn’t state specifically that I felt safer in Baghdad than I would in Morgantown. Just stated that based on my perception, I wouldn’t visit Morgantown in Louisville gear without someone (preferably more than one) to watch my 6. It’s also much different when you have a team of people with fully loaded weapons and body armor on. And for the record, I never had to think about firing my weapon in anger once during that deployment – and we were outside the wire in Baghdad three times a week. Just got lucky because there are parts of that city that you’d have to think about firing your weapon daily.
In my OP on here, I stated the comment was NBD, but I kept reading.
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you indicting an entire fan base one the actions of a very small, very immature few
kudos
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 2, 2011 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I have not personally indicted anyone
I’ve stated I’ll reserve judgement to when/if I get an opportunity to visit Morgantown in UofL attire. I’m saying the media and fans with poor experiences there have indicted y’all.
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Doesn’t justify the behavior demonstrated and documented by any amount of WVU fans. I’ll admit we have some idiots too, but you’ll not see NEARLY as much documented about UofL fans and violence IMO as is regularly reported about WVU fans – specifically in Morgantown (reads much more than one event).
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 2, 2011 2:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Sir, PLEASE take off the WVU colored sunglasses
I meant no disrespect to you or your university in any post above. Honestly. And I mean none in this reply. If you really READ and try to comprehend what I’m saying (objectively), you’ll also see that I try to see both sides of the story.
IMO, you’re taking a jaded view based on what you want to hear instead of what I’m trying to say, rather than taking an objective look at what I’m saying and why – based simply on my fan afiliation. For that I apologize, but please re-read what I’ve typed above and type below take it into context as to what I’m referring to. If you have a legitimate complaint, I will formally apologize.
My original post was a reply to someone stating that this was the first time any of this “WVU fan behavior” and safety concerns has ever been brought up by UofL and that it was only done in an attempt to shed a bad light on WVU because we were “butt hurt” about the Big XII’s decision. It was spin from him/her – and I thought I explained why. Apparently the first person to reply to me thought so as well. You took it the wrong way and thought I was trying to say I felt safer in Baghdad. I was stating people should not fear for their safety in any sporting event in the US. no matter the level of rivalry or fan afiliation – OR how small of a percentage of the fan base that are being the complete idiots and causing those steriotypes.
From my perspective, it’s a legit complaint based on what I’ve seen/heard in the news and read from UofL fans – and other fan bases – on the blogs I listed above, which I tried to explain. I believe you thought I was trying to say something else. I was not. These stories have admittedly influenced my current perception of WVU – for that I apologize. I did however state that I will reserve final judgement for myself once I’ve experienced it myself. Did I not?
Huggins had to ask fans to stop throwing crap onto the basketball court that could cause loss of eyesight at the very least. Batteries, etc. I’ve heard stories of C/D sized batteries being thrown at football games. Is it true? IDK. Is it plausible based on the incident described above? VERY! That was shown on NATIONAL TV. Many of the stories might be random hearsay/embelished or whatnot, but all of them aren’t just random hearsay are they? Honestly?
I’ll concede that UofL fans completely dismissing this decision not to bring everyone as not in any way being a way to slight WVU based on that Big XII decision is spin also. Maybe it was a parting jab at a “jilted lover”, but based on just that one example I recall from National TV above, it’s not necissarily the dumbest decision the UofL administration has ever made is it? Honestly? There are others I cannot recall and don’t care to recall – I’ve wasted too much time on this as it is. But again, based on batteries being thrown, I’d say it is at least somewhat relevant as well. The Big XII made its decision. UofL making the decsion to not send some people will not in any way change the Big XII’s decision on who comes or not, will it? I’d tend to lean towards it being a prudent decision – especially after as heated as this topic has become. People telling others to “STFU” based on relevant informatino – based on how you chose to spin it – is uncalled for and many (especially younguns or drunk ‘tards) cannot just walk away with the groupthink or pride involved. DUMB and IMMATURE, but true. This crap is getting out of hand and based on past experiences, I’d probably err on a decision to protect the safety of people I’d be responsible for. Better to be safer than sorry, correct?
Did that statement you just quoted from me state All WVU Fans? NO sir, it did not. I also admitted we have some idiots too. Did I not? While you didn’t explicitly state that people should expect that kind of behavior in Morgantown, you appeared to be hinting at it. My point was that your apparent argument that people should not go into WVU wearing an opposing team’s attire because that kind of behavior can be expected essentially supports a lot of the claims and stories – and the need for UofL administration making that kind of a decision. Was it not? Honestly? People getting into physical altercations based on fan affiliation is retarded to say the least.
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until anyone
can show me when the last time a fan was arrested at a game for any kind of assault or abuse on an opposing teams fan or congrigation, it is most assuredly not a legit complaint.’
my point is that this entire discussion from both sides is a he said – she said argument. there are no solid facts around any of this. the only legit complaint that there is right now is that some dude from lsu got his ass whooped but there are no indications that it was based on fan affiliation
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 2, 2011 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions
perhaps i came across a bit harsh...
But i will say this, dealing with this misconception and in many cases “incidents” have been blown way out of proportion ever since the penn state wvu game where it got REALLY ugly. ever since that point the university has had to deal with the supposed bad conduct of its fanbase on a consistent basis.
there’s a reason why you wouldnt go anywhere in mo-town with out a fire-team covering your 6. its called ingrained behavior. once you get out, you’ll know exactly what im talking about. If you going to call the university and its fans a bunch of thugs, you may as well call the Alabama fan base a little Chinese country since they all seem to love to kill trees. Also, the eagles faithful hate xmass (which tbh wouldn’t surprise me one bit), the dodger fanbase is a bunch of mma up and comers…do we need to go on here?
labeling an entire group based on the actions of a very limited few is a pet peeve of mine, and it is very rare that sentiment applies to the entire fan base. I would draw some similarities here but i dont want to derail this thread any further then i already have..
Do we know what started any onee of these incidents? no we do not. for all we know like i said above the lsu guy got lippy and couldn’t back up his talk. Untell the details come out of what exactly happened then im going to sit here and scream till im blue in the face like a link posted above stated it had nothing to do with football. from where i come from, you start talking you had better be able to back it up. this you understand. since there wasnt a damn thing that came from the supposed cheerleader fiasco of 09 i would venture to say the accusation is in and of its self false as well. there is no video tape on any of it, no eye witness accounts, no interviews anywhere. believe me i have looked. your going to tell me that in a NCAA football game where every intro and outro is a shot of a cheerleader at every possible opportunity there was no tape of this? c’mon.
no…i didnt come across harsh at all.
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 2, 2011 3:07 AM EDT up reply actions
I would just like to add that there are alot of factual errors in alot of what is reported
In regards to the West F$%^in Virginia shirt being show on TV. There have been many reports on both fan based sites and reputable news sites that have said, in almost these words, “WVU’s largest Student Organization made the Vulgar shirts”.
Which is utterly untrue. They’ve been selling the W F’in V shirt since before the Mountaineer Maniacs existed. People make shirts and sell em. In ’97 I bought a shirt that said on the Front “Pitt Sucks but” and on the back said “Marshall Swallows”
My point is that if you believe everything you read, without analyzing the sources, the circumstances, et cetera, you will be quite ill informed. And that seems to be the case on certain Card’s websites.
Yeah our fanbase is rowdy. And redneckish. And there are some idiot dBags. But what do you want do about it? I was reading an article about this stuff on a Cards site yesterday that had some youtube videos that had some Maryland Fans being verbal harassed as they walked down the street past some mountaineer tailgates. What would you or anyone have WVU or the City or State do about this? Private residences in Morgantown are just that. Do you expect WVU or the City or the State to make an ordinance disallowing people to hang out in their front yards?
In regards to the LSU fans being attacked (which hasn’t been confirmed…the people absolutely were injured but there are no facts to support their version of events), I haven’t found an article that explicitly confirms or denies whether the altercation was at a university lot, or a private lot (aka Kroger’s or Staple’s parking lots). If the actions are at a university lot, then there are lots of things that can be done, additional police, eyes-in-sky, et cetera. If it’s in a private lot, what should the city do? Disallow parking there on game days? And again…these victims didn’t contact the police. On one hand, people will say that not everyone reports these bad occurences, and then on the other say they WVU isn’t doing enough to fix these problems. I don’t know how people are supposed to solve problems that they don’t know exist.
I don’t believe these most recent battery and bottles stories one bit. Because our fanbase has such a bad reputation, everything is amplified, even things that shouldn’t be. If this had happened, it would have been reported to somebody. And if it did happen and is just now coming to light, has anyone from UofL spoken to WVU about it?
Just so you know, not like you care
but this was a rumor, and not true. So take your false allegations on out of here.
PS: In 2007 the Louisville Cheer squad refused to step out of the way for 60 seconds half an hour before kickoff so the WVU Alumni Band could come onto the field at Homecoming. It was as classless an act as I have ever seen.
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by GenericCommenter0001 on Nov 3, 2011 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 3, 2011 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions
I call bullshit.
As a big chewing tobacco state, I don’t deny we have quality spitters. But 20-30 feet (since that’s about as close as a fan gets to visiting cheerleaders), at a moving target? And the idea we’d throw a full, smuggled-in beer at a cheerleader? Links or it didn’t happen.
I went to the backyard brawl at heinz
I thought a while before posting this, because I know the shit i’ll take for it, but here’s my two cents.
I went to the backyard brawl at heinz 4 years ago with a contingent of pitt fans. Mostly relatives and close friends. As a WVU fan I was treated respectfully, or largely ignored by the pitt fans in attendance. Didn’t take a bit of shit the entire time. When I decided to reciprocate my friend for the tickets, and invite him to morgantown a year later, it was a whole different story. He had bottles thrown at him, people were getting in his face, and even a few WVU fans got in my face for going to a game with someone with a pitt jersey. I get it that it’s pitt, and people get more heated than normal, but it stuck out in my mind as a particularly embarrassing incident.
by bennywvu on Nov 1, 2011 3:04 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Adds to the perception
and this from an apparent WVU Fan – and I checked before making this reply to see if it was someone perpetrating a fraud. At least he’s being honest – from his perspective.
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See, here's the thing...
At most schools, you do not have to offer caveats such as “The key to visiting Morgantown or any college football town is to not walk past a house full of drunk 18-year-olds wearing your school colors.” You even allude to it from your MSU experience. Now, I’m coming to WVU for the 3rd time and I’ve never had a bad experience. And I’m sure there are plenty of examples of Louisville fans being absolute dicks. But to claim that WVU is no different than any other college town is naive. The reputation has been earned. Either own it or do something to change it.
I think
It would be interesting for the writers and contributors of this blog to do a little experiment. Wear Louisville colors to the game and record your experiences, and compare it to times you have traveled to other stadiums. It would be a good opportunity to show that most of the WVU bashing is overreaction and singling WVU out for something that happens everywhere. Of course I know you guys wouldn’t do this, but it would be interesting nonetheless.
Yeah, I agree it would be interesting.
I won’t do it, of course, but I will report on the receptions I get at other stadiums and on the incidents I personally observe while in Morgantown. I’ve had plenty of people heckle me while at away games, which is fine. It’s what I expect. I have heard WVU fans use offensive language directed at opposing fans, and have had offensive language directed at me. I’m not a fan of that, but it happens. I have not, however, ever witnessed any type of physical altercation between fans at any game I can remember. And I’ll stand by that.
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by Country Roads on Nov 1, 2011 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
In 2006...
…I travelled with the Mountaineer Maniacs to my very first away game. We played U of L in Louisville. Around the 3rd quarter I left the stands in the end zone to go use the bathroom, on my way back I bumped into a Louisville fan who was walking the opposite direction. He kept on going but when he bumped me, I bumped into yet another Louisville fan standing in front of his seat. He got PISSED. He cussed me and threatened to fight me. I was 18 and and I am by no means a big guy to this day, so I wasn’t exactly getting back in his face. I was pretty scared, actually. When I tried to apologize and walk on, he stepped in front of my path and grabbed the jersey I was wearing. So Chick, WVU isn’t the only school with some asshole fans.
Luckily, the guy sitting in front of this asshole stepped in. He was probably about 6’5" and 350lbs, HUGE HUGE guy. He pulled the guy off of me and told him that if he ever gets into another opposing fans face like that in front of him again, that he would live to regret it. This man was also a Louisville fan.
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by MountaineerAirman on Nov 1, 2011 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions
WVU fans do police their own.
I’ve seen other fans step in on behalf of others, Shit like that doesn’t get reported.
If the police REALLY just shrugged it off, I feel like we would have heard about this a long, long time ago. Odd that it’s coming up now, like the rest of the incident.
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by MountaineerAirman on Nov 1, 2011 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Some Experiences
One at a Syracuse game circa 2002- Drunk WVU fan in the Maniacs section throws something at the field. I standing behind him, kick him in his asshole calmly asked him not to do that again. It wasn’t pretty, but I was moved from the student section, he and his friend were ejected.
Another VA Tech 200…(the year Marcus Vick was there), had some friends from VT at our tailgate dumb frat guys talked shit, I stepped in and told them to go fix there hair asked them to stop.
I attended a Maryland away game, sat in the student section with my WVU gear on. Most of the game was fine, then when all the fans started leaving, the basketball team tried to:
a) kick my ass (or incite me to say something to them ie use racial slurs (not my style))
b) ridicule me, showering me with all kinds of information about my sister and my state,
c) were drunk college kids.
d) all the above
Have seen WVU police themselves, I have seen them be dicks, but I have also seen that at VT, Maryland, Duke, hell at Presbyterian College where I got my undergrad.
So, if our reputation is earned, I hope you can look in the mirror and see your’s as well.
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Nov 1, 2011 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions
There are always knuckleheads
but on the average I think fan behavior has improved over the years. Of course you are always gonna have the stereotypical evangelists like ol Chick. The best practice is what was practiced during LSU…if you see a knucklhead…step in and stop it.
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John iresponsible denial
Of physical attacks of on opposing fans, players cheerleaders, coaches, is why a small minority your of continues again and again. The first stage is admitting you have a problem. WVU FANS NEED TO GET THERE. Then you can begin to police yourselves. By your ignorant offhanded remarks dismissing legitemate concerns for safety then suggesting it would bring the wrath you encourage and enable said behavior. This article comes close to encouraging it. SB Nation should be disappointed that you took the time to post this without any forethought.
The post says nothing of the sort.
In fact, encourages WVU fans to be overly kind to opposing fans.
Look, we want WVU to be portrayed in a positive light. We want opposing fans to have a great experience at WVU and want to come back. We also want to have loud, rowdy fans who make for a quality home field advantage. When some dumb WVU fan does something to tarnish our reputation, we hate it. But we hate it more when people start rumors or unfounded allegations about incidents that didn’t actually happen. That type of thing doesn’t help anyone.
Please, come see a game in Morgantown. As you would in any situation, understand how to avoid conflict—-be polite and courteous, behave yourself, and walk away if someone else starts to get out of hand. Also remember that often times your experience will mirror your preconceptions. If you think all WVU fans are violent and vulgar, your experience will likely be shaped by that perception because you’re looking for things to justify it. If you think WVU fans are mostly kindhearted and polite, but with a few jerks as there are in every crowd, I can promise your experience will be much better because you have allowed yourself to see the good in the crowd.
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by Country Roads on Nov 1, 2011 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions
I actually love WVU
Enjoy athletics, skiing at snowshoe. My old girlfriends best friend is a coach with the dance team she told me that a bottle was hurled in there direction on the way Out. She said people make lots of comments. But never as lewd or as threating as in Morgantown. These women have a real concern for their saftey. Its not being petty with the rancor between the two schools in the last week. We will get back to normal fan harrasment when we join you in the Big 12
I didn't come here and post the communist manafesto, I simply said that there is a problem that goes far beyond what some are willing to accept.
And that’s fine. If you want to pretend like the things that go on in and around your stadium are “the norm” for all of college sports then that’s your business.
But until players, and coaches start getting hit with quarters and batteries while their on teh sidelines I don’t think that argument holds water.
My personal experience in 2005 went like this: I was with another guy and 3 girls. 4 of us were dressed in Cardinal Red and we parked along a road at the direction of a parking official and began walking towards the stadium. While doing so there was probably an item hurled out of moving vehicles every 3-4 minutes or so. Bottles, newspaper, cups, fast food bags, etc. Nothing made contact, but it was thrown in our direction and was obviously on purpose. I’ve been all over the country following the Cardinals, and this is certainly not the norm. Once we were off the main road (I believe it was 705), and were more on campus the treatment changed from anonymous flying objects to direct verbal threats. I’ve experienced this before in various venues, and the general rule is to just keep moving, which we did. The picture next to this is an example of what I am talking about, and is not me or the fan(s) I am talking about.
On the walk over, we had enough of the verbal assault and after asking several West Virginia State Troopers if this was normal and being basically ignored we decided we would try our luck with stadium security and just go into the game early. The problem with this is that the stadium was not open yet, and we were in a long line of UofL fans that had also had enough. What that did was create a quasi-feeding frenzy for the culprits causing all the trouble. Essentially the line to get in through the visiting will call section is lower than the surrounding hill and as a result several youthful WVU fans stood on top of the hill hurling verbal assaults and occasionally more trash in the direction of the line. Also, there were several times where they actually came down into the hill and attempted to cut line, or draw people (mostly elderly and people that would not want to draw into a physical confrontation) into a actual physical confrontation. The West Virginia State Police witnessed the entire activity but elected to wait until a physical altercation actually took place rather than trying to restore order.
Thankfully, the stadium was opened and the UofL section was a bit of a haven. Also it was a comfort to see that WVU has the good sense to chain in their student section so as to not allow their youthful enthusiasm to roam the concourses or visit other parts of the stadium. Even so, a few did make their way into the Louisville section. Once there they basically tried to stand in front of people, get in other people’s seats and refuse to move until security was called, and were generally annoying trying to cause a problem.
The game did not help my exit. As some of you may recall the Cardinals rolled up a huge lead on the Mountaineers and folded late under the breakout performances from Pat White and Steve Slaton and a lot of the departed fans came streaming back from the parking lot and surrounding areas to witness the come back and WVU eventually won in overtime. Riding a high of confidence and booze my walk out of Mountaineer Field and to my car was beyond anything I have ever experienced. Beyond the verbal assaults, more throwing of objects, and the direct confrontations were even more brazen. Luckily I linked up with an undercover police officer and though it did not stop the threatened violence, they did back off when they saw the badge throughout the walk back to the car.
Once back to the car we all exhaled and looked at each other like we just got out of an extremely dangerous situation. Before we were able to pull out, we noticed a piece of paper on the windshield. That paper: White Supremacy Literature that detailed the importance of getting more white players on the West Virginia football team. This was after a game where Pat White (who is black) replaced a virtually useless white QB and Steve Slaton (also black) single-handedly won the game in comeback fashion for the Mountaineers.
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by Chick-Stratino'sUrDaddy on Nov 1, 2011 4:30 PM EDT reply actions
Wow.
I’m sorry for that experience. I really am. If I saw any of that going on, I would jump in and stop it. And I hope that those folks would give Morgantown another shot. Because that’s embarrassing and not all of us are like that.
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by Country Roads on Nov 1, 2011 4:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Correction
A large majority of us are not like that. The vast majority. It’s a small percentage of assholes that ruin things for every one else who is just there to enjoy the game, like me.
"that place laid the foundation for who I am. A lot of outsiders make fun of it and say negative things about West Virginia. Fuck them" - Jerry West
by MountaineerAirman on Nov 1, 2011 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn't take the majority to give off connotations
All it takes is a handful of geniouses to do the damage.
This occurred after Coach Huggins told the fans to quit throwing bottles/pennies/etc. on the court.
The connotation that Morgantown is a dangerous place for visiting fans (and apparently attractive women) will stay until the NCAA or the President of the university induces a zero-tolerance behavior.
I go to Lexington every time UofL plays UK at Rupp (dressed in my red) and still have never had an incident. I’ve been to Morgantown three times and each time have had someone bump me and call me a derogatory name.
by tacosaucegood on Nov 1, 2011 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions
That sucks
and as a WVU who was at that game I apologize.
I know that as I was leaving the stadium I tried to shake several UofL fans hands and say, “good game” or something that recognized how I would be feeling if that happened to WVU but also showed the respect for a tough game that became an instant classic. I was dressed in khakis and a coach’s shirt and was not drunk. All of the UofL fans refused to shake my hand, I guess I would probably do the same but I hope I could be able to step outside the game and recognize the human in the other color shirt and just say, “Wow that was a game!”, “Let’s do this again!”
Also, once again, I apologize
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Nov 1, 2011 7:43 PM EDT up reply actions
We get it, we have some really bad fans.
If you are saying we are all bad, then you extremely out of line. Myself and my friends are doing our best at policing our own and stopping the behavior if we see it.
To say that this was anything other than an attempt of UofL to make WVU to look bad is ignoring Louisvilles hurt of not getting into the Big 12.
This whole situation is 100% silly and y’all need to stop pretending Morgantown is a the worst place on earth to watch a football game.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 1, 2011 8:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Looks like I set off a shit storm
At least it appears to be a healthy discussion in the comments. I don’t want to marginalize anyone that had a bad experience in Morgantown as much as I wouldn’t want the same done to me. I think it’s because of what has happened at road games to me that I don’t see us having any worse of a problem than anyone else. I could be wrong, but it seems like people have too easy of a time believing bad things about West Virginia in general and Morgantown specifically.
I’d like to echo Country Roads comment above me. If I was in eye sight of it, I wouldn’t let it happen. There is a whole other side to Morgantown that you haven’t experienced and I would hope you would give it another chance.
newsflash
going to ball games, whether you are a fan of the home team or not is dangerous. just figured id throw my two cents in. i coudl give a damn about ul’s band of cheerleaders not showing up. to sit here fro one side or the other and say “it doesnt happen in our house” or “at least x school polices its own” is a load of fanboi BS to the enth power. I can almost guarantee you that if you went through every d1’s schools blotter reports on gameday you would see a spike.
so UL, STFU. really. you’re no better or no worse then the rest of the schools out there. you just think you are. WVU fans on here have consistently said that if they saw .
something going down they would do what the could to shut it down. end of story. in a stadium that has space for 65k do you really expect this to be the case through out the stadium??
i was going to sit this one out due to the rampant fanboism but i couldn’t help my self.
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Disclaimer before this post: I’m speaking as generally as possible. I do not attempt to imply or indict any specific individuals or events, either mentioned in this thread or others.
I know this reputation all too well. Coming from Philly (and as a fan of all Philly sports) it is something I haven’t escaped being a WVU fan. Reputations like this are usually earned through some sort of behavior, and I’d say it is typically bad behavior, but it can still get exaggerated. A lot of people probably know “Philly fans threw snowballs at Santa,” and it is the oldest anecdote in the book—but I’d say nearly all of those outside of Philly (and probably a majority within) do not know the story behind it (nor the actual severity of the event). This is just an illustration that something while on its face may sound horrible, may not be as bad as it seems.
This stuff happens everywhere, without a doubt. Now I don’t use that as an excuse; Motown may well be one of the worst places for visiting fans, but how do you go about making such sensationalist claims? How can you prove that? Even individual experiences may be very isolated events. I ask this seriously. What about reports that don’t get published? What about those that do that are fabricated? I don’t mean to direct these questions just at Morgantown, either. See disclaimer above.
Of all the WVU games I have been too, I never personally witnessed any poor treatment of away fans, and that is an entirely objective analysis. I have seen drunk student fans throw snowballs onto the field during a December game, but I have seen that at every snow game I’ve been to if the snow is not cleared out of the stands. I know things happen that I don’t see—I can appreciate that. But any sort of accusation against someone can get overblown or be entirely fabricated, and stories like that 1) exaggerate the reality of the situation and 2) undermine the impact of true stories.
There are also concerns of affirmation bias and the like when a rival fan claims the opposing fan base treats them poorly. I’ve been to Mets games at Shea (when it existed) in Phillies red, and the worst behavior I encountered was little kids swearing at the team on the field. Chances are Philly fans will give you a million experiences with entirely different results (whether true or not).
The media and people in general also overestimate the risk of low-probability but extreme events. I’d say the recent event after the LSU game exhibits this. Suddenly there are claims that Morgantown is the most dangerous city on gameday, and away fans should never go without a posse of bodyguards. I get it. “One bad apple spoils the whole bunch.” But as old as the adage may be, it really isn’t accurate. If you pick out the bad apple, the remaining bunch is perfectly good to enjoy. Why would you trash a whole bushel of apples when only one of them isn’t good? The same goes for any fanbase. I respect all people until they give me a reason not to.
As a Philly fan (and I guess now as a WVU fan) I get pigeon-holed all the time. In reality, I am probably the exact inverse of either stereotype. I’m not offended by the stereotype, because I know people speak in generalities all the time (either to prove their point or some ulterior motivation)—but any such claims are not directed at me personally.
Still, I will reiterate that stereotypes are typically earned in one way or another, and then successive events (even if on a low scale) will receive extra attention. I make no claims that WVU is a perfect place, in fact I’d bet that WVU’s admission policies help in increasing the probability of idiotic behavior. Whenever you mix alcohol and low-competency, adolescent, immature people, you undoubtedly get outrageous behavior as the output. Still, whether that increased probability (which itself is speculative on my part) leads to a greater output in bad behavior as compared to other fan bases is entirely speculative. There are no hard figures on this, and it is likely something nearly impossible to quantify.
I guess my two points in all of this are: people who go in to a situation expecting a result will likely meet that result, whether they formulate the situation out of perception or exaggerate the actual effects. This applies to everyone equally; I’m not trying to imply that Louisville is guilty of this (even if they were, I have no way to prove it). Second, it helps no one when individuals concoct rumors or speak of an entire group as one (i.e. generally state “All X Fans are douchebags”).
I’ve seen the direct results of entirely fictitious rumors, and it isn’t fun even if the original intent was an innocent one. In a way, and this is only a guess on my end, I’d say perpetuating a stereotype actually leads to more “stereotypical” behavior—X = X. I’d be curious if any sociologists/psychologists could weigh in on this.
For those that have had truly bad times in Morgantown, I apologize for those that wronged you. Take solace in knowing karma will get them in the end (I realize it probably does not help). Also I concur with the original post that WVU fans would do well to “kill them with kindness.” But people are people, and not everyone is so sensible.
It's College!
Every school has their group of rowdy students, college sports would be boring without it. But, I do agree in some cases are straight-over the top, criminal acts. But, you can’t judge an entire fan base off a group of crazy drunk students.
Yeah, over all WVU fans may be more rowdy than others. There isn’t much else in WV to get excited about. I was born and raised in WV. I love the state, but WVU and Marshall are really the only sports team in that entire state. So, more dunken people vent through sports and WVU and Marshall are the only two teams they can.
Am i saying that they way their venting is right? No! But, my main point its a big college sports oriented school and state. Maybe some fans are taking too much pride in sports. But, judging an entire program is a little over the top.
And that concludes my rant…
Hey UL
Why dont you wanna talk about your football players repeatedly spitting on Pat White?
Everyone has classless redneck fans. Even not-so-posh state
by WVU-Atlanta on Nov 1, 2011 11:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
whoa wait just a minute
you mean mitch mcconnlles state is full of idiots rednecks just like wvu? who’da thunk it?!
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 1, 2011 11:24 PM EDT up reply actions
Not so posh state of KY
And i will go ahead and agree that we have a higher percentage of idiots. But dont pretend like the majority of our fans are ruthless inbred jerks. That only makes YOU look stupid.
Our administration is trying hard to repair our image. And how many incidents have you heard about at games since we started selling beer? Zero.
We’ve even tried to get rid of obscene t-shirts. Sad but true, but its something. And those incidents with Miami- a LONG time ago. Do you also remember that Miami coach who was fired after spray painting “E-I-E-I-O” on a billboard on their way outta town? Forget about that?
Wanna talk about rick pitino? No?
Wanna talk about UVA’s pep band doing a blatantly offensive routine at 2002 tire bowl in charlotte making fun of WV?
Point is, it happens everywhere.
by WVU-Atlanta on Nov 1, 2011 11:28 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
My final thoughts on this.
First what was a good intentioned post by the OP clearly turned into troll-bait. Between a guy posting half truths about the LSU incident (because clearly the only group to get mudstomped at a UofL home game is UofL), A guy who in a round about way called Baghdad safer then Morgantown (“i’ve never been there but :rollseyes:”), and another guy siting issues that occured before the kabosh was put on The Pit; its almost as if its a republican debate. lets see who can say the most outlandish thing contest.
Second, those in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. While i hope it doesnt happen, i cant wait to head over to the cardboard’s (homeless, cardboards…knuck knuck knuck) and give that fanbase the same treatment that they have sent our way. is it the right thing to do? probably not but i sure as hell will feel better about it.
Cardnals fan, stop being bitter that your stuck like chuck in a failing conference with no parachute. although it was tried but i guess who ever packed it needs to be re-trained.
lookout, lawn dart disgruntlness abounds
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by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 1, 2011 11:52 PM EDT reply actions
A New Offense
WVU fans threw dead Rats at Marshall fans.
A Louisville fan knows this because a Marshall Seminary student (?) told them at the UofL/Marshall game
FWIW
I am a WVU and was once in seminary, but not WVU seminary.
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Nov 2, 2011 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
insert the word fan there
I’m an idiot
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Nov 2, 2011 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions
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