Post-Game Hangover: Syracuse (10/22/11) Edition
The picture doesn't even begin to say how bad it was. WVU got hammered in all three phases last night. I can't even put into words how upset I am, but here is the media coverage of the carnage:
Recaps and Features:
Orange stun Mountaineers as Ryan Nassib tosses 3 TD passes to TE Nick Provo - ESPN
Recap, stats, video, gallery, etc
Syracuse 49, West Virginia 23 - MSNsportsNET.Com
Syracuse dominates WVU in every way, 49-23 - Charleston Daily Mail
Syracuse storms by WVU, 49-23 - PPG
Syracuse defensive pressure, poor kick coverage leads to loss for No. 11 Mountaineers
Syracuse shocker - Charleston Gazette
Orange QB Nassib picks apart No. 11 WVU in 49-23 romp
Thinking out Loud: Thoughts On A Shocking Night in Syracuse - WVMETRONEWS.COM
Article and video
Lesson learned? - Times West Virginian
Syracuse whips WVU from start during convincing 49-23 triumph
Mountaineers Dominated on All Sides of the Ball - WVillustrated
Syracuse 49, No. 15 West Virginia 23 - Big East Blog - ESPN
This was as complete an effort as you could ask for from Syracuse. Now everybody is left to wonder about a West Virginia team that has beaten just one team with a winning record (Norfolk State).
Crushed by Orange - Parkersburg News and Sentinel
West Virginia blasted by Syracuse
Syracuse stuns No. 11 WVU - Register-Herald
WVU vs. Syracuse Game Recap - WVillustrated
Big 12 will not be impressed - Charleston Gazette
When it was time to shine, Mountaineers were a no-show
HERTZEL COLUMN: There’s no substitute for muscle - Times West Virginian
Photos:
PHOTO GALLERY: WVU vs. Syracuse - WVillustrated
Photo Gallery II: WVU vs Syracuse - BGN
Video:
Dana Holgorsen Syracuse Postgame News Conference - WVillustrated
WVU Postgame Interviews from Syracuse Loss - WVillustrated
Stedman, Najee, Alston and Garvin
VIDEO: Syracuse Post Game Interviews - WVMETRONEWS.COM
Casteel, Geno, Garvin, Alston, Julian and Najee
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Yeah the guys a real tool. Funny how they win
One big game in 15 years abs they are running their mouths.
by VTsucks on Oct 22, 2011 2:36 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
I got your tool
Guy comes to Cuse boards and every other post is loaded with f bombs and ass clowns and I’m a tool.
I still don’t understand how a community college in WV became our biggest rivals.
Thank God for basketball season, and we can REALLY shut your pig feet and chitlin filled mouths.
Wow
you’re a real asshole, dude. You beat us twice in 10 years and suddenly Syracuse is fucking king.
by MountaineerAirman on Oct 23, 2011 10:24 AM EDT up reply actions
Talk about ass clowns.... look at the stereotype spewing mama's boys from up north
Cuse is full of guys that couldn’t get a date on Friday nights and also run has beens.
That is the first time WVU has been blown out by a bad team since losing 33-0 to Maryland in 1999. Holgorsen better not lose another game this year.
Oh, how I miss the Rich Rod glory years.
Fixed.
“That is the first time WVU has been blown out by a bad good team since losing 47-21 to LSU in 2011. Holgorsen better not lose another game this year.”
The 'Cuse is in tha house, oh my God oh my God.
by StrawHatGuy on Oct 22, 2011 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions
Syracuse is a bad team why?
I see that after last night SU and WVU are both 5-2, 1-1 in league play and the combined W-L record of the teams they’ve beat is 16-17 for SU and 17-18 for WVU. Is Syracuse bad because they’ve been inconsistent and unimpressive in their previous four wins? Is Syracuse bad because they didn’t have national expectations and gaudy statistics like WVU? Or is Syracuse bad because they refused to roll over like a good 14 point home dog and take the beat down that most everyone (including this ‘Cuse fan, if I’m honest) expected them receive?
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
by jpb531 on Oct 22, 2011 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
If you were honest....
You would have admitted to wining games with help from refs. Go crawl back under your rock
by VTsucks on Oct 22, 2011 2:37 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Dude
You know what? If it makes you feel better to blame the refs, go ahead, but blaming the refs won’t white wash a 26 point beat down. The Mountaineers got their asses handed to them, plain and simple. Games aren’t played on paper, they’re played on the field, and WVU’s paper advantage didn’t mean shit last night.
Speaking of rocks, considering the pre-game smack you were tossing last night, you were missed over in our neck of the woods once the game got rolling. Did you get lost crawling out from under your rock when the couch fire went out and it got dark?
We will not rest until we see these capitalist octopuses annihilated.
-Che Marrone
by jpb531 on Oct 22, 2011 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We will see how Syracuse is perceived when the polls come out, WVU will drop at least 10 spots, while Syracuse will be in “the others receiving votes” if they are lucky.
You guys dominated us, and you all should be happy with a huge win for your program, but you are nowhere close to WVU in terms of talent or promise. You will not win the Big East, WVU will still finish ahead of you, and you will be a bottom feeder in the shit ACC just like you have been in the Big East for over a decade. When WVU was carrying the Big East, and the Big East was taking criticism left and right where was your program? Being a huge embarrassment, while WVU was in BCS games, beating the UGA’s and Oklahoma’s of the college football world. You can gloat now, but Syracuse is still a pile of shit.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Oct 22, 2011 7:47 PM EDT up reply actions
West Virginia Football
Took a huge step in the wrong direction last night. From what I saw from Gina Smith ( I meant to spell it that way) he had a defeated I dont give a shit attitude on the sideline .
I counted no less than 3 opportunities for him to tuck the ball and run just to keep a drive alive but instead he heaves it downfield in triple coverage. The O line, after 3 great games, reared it’s ugly head again and the D, well maybe it’s time for DH to look for a new DC.
Need I mention kick coverage?
I dont know where we go from here, the conference thing is a mess and the commentators last night made sure everybody knew, especially recruits. We could go nowhere in a hurry.
by PicktownMountie on Oct 22, 2011 10:51 AM EDT reply actions
I still feel a little sick to my stomach after watching the game last night.
Now that I’ve settled down a bit, here is my take…
Perhaps we were all expecting to much to soon. Realistically, we have a 1st time HC who took over a declining program after a messy coach-in-waiting situation, with a o-line that was questionable at best coming into the season, and a defense that lost 7 starters. Add to that the fact that he installed a brand new offense.
Honestly, looking at the situation from an outside perspective, I think HCDA has done exceptionally well thus far with what he had to work with. Remember, none of the current players were recruited for this system, and they have still managed to turn out some very impressive offensive numbers overall.
As far as the defense goes, we knew coming in that it would be a challenge replacing so many pieces, and the youth really showed last night.
The special teams has been a problem for years (thanks for that Bill Stewart), and will take some time to repair.
Was I upset and extremely disappointed in last night’s loss? Absolutely. But that does not take away from my optimism for our program moving forward? ABSOLUTELY NOT!
I think HCDH has done a great job in his first year with what he has. There have been some hiccups along the way, but I clearly see the overall program moving in the right direction.
Lets see what happens once he gets 1-2 recruiting classes under his belt. He has proven his system can succeed in it’s 1st year of being installed; I can’t wait to see it refined after 1-2 years with players who are recruited specifically for it.
It anything, I think HCDA has showed just how much potential was squandered by ol’ Bill Stewart, as he drove this program down from 08-10.
Everyone is acting like this loss is the end of the world, but in reality, we are 1-1 in the conference standings and can still win the BE Championship and go to a BCS. Is it going to be tough? Yes, but it is completely within the realm of possibility.
Until I’m given a reason to believe otherwise, I will consider what happened last night an anomaly, and a learning experience from which this team can grow and improve.
Bottom line. I still have complete faith in HCDH, this team, and this program. So button down, fix the mistakes, and GO EEEEEERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by ---Cole--- on Oct 22, 2011 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
You're right.
I think we get a little excited as fans and forget the realities – hoping that we are really better than we are.
by Mountaineer Chuck on Oct 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
I think the same thing could have been said
when Doug Marrone had his 1st season. Btw, are you guys going to the Big XII or not?
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Oct 23, 2011 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I watched the game and as an impartial observer is appear the WVU QB got busted in the chops early on and spent the rest of the game with happy feet.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Sorry - University of Texas degree
“is it appear appeared” -
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Take it with a grain of salt...
… as I’m an outside observer with no specific WVU ties. On one level there’s not much more to say than what both Holgo and Casteel both said: Syracuse whipped em. But here are some thoughts based on studying the tape a bit this morning:
1. Negative plays. This was the key to the game for me. WVU’s offense actually had some success against the Cuse (more on that in a moment) but if they were successful on say 80% of plays the 20% of negative plays were absolutely killer — sacks, INTs, etc. As Holgorsen said after the game, the offense isn’t very “efficient” and what he means is chain moving, getting first down consistent. By contrast Syracuse had ZERO negative plays the whole night (if they did they were after the game was out of hand). I’m not sure I’ve ever seen an offense move the ball as efficiently as Syracuse did — every drive was a slow grind and they just got first down after first down.
2. Offense. Holgorsen said during the week what they’d do, which is blitz and blitz some more while “keeping a lid on it,” i.e. a deep safety or three deep. I think the lack of efficiency falls on the impatience of the coach and QB — if Holgorsen was’t calling a downfield play then Geno was trying to do too much, and then back and forth. If WVU wants to get better with the personnel they have they have to become a much better quick game and screen team. They’ve lived on Geno’s ability to find open guys and buy time in the pocket but both of those weren’t there tonight. The screens to Austin and Garrison were probably the most consistent plays, and I’m surprised that Holgorsen wasn’t patient enough to keep going back to them. Syracuse disguised blitzes but even if they weren’t blitzing they weren’t really in position to defend a lot of those quick screens and quick passes. And when Garrison would motion out of the backfield for a handoff to Alston he was essentially uncovered but they didn’t call the swing pass to Garrison until the fourth quarter. Holgorsen’s and Leach’s teams were always great receiver screen teams, and that’s something WVU must get much better at to get the ball to playmakers and to get it out of Geno’s hands quickly against these zone blitzing teams.
Instead Holgorsen was obstinate in staying in four wides a lot. The Airraid offense was built as a two-back seven-man protection (the RBs check for blitz then release). I would have thought Dana would go to that to protect Geno better when he wanted to go downfield and if they backed off hit the backs in the flats. Instead they tried to stay in four wide six-man protection and had to do a lot of guessing against Syracuse’s blitzing on whether they had it picked up and if Geno had time. A good example was the terrible INT at the end of the third quarter. They had an aggressive play called to the left — called “93,” the outside guy (Bailey) runs a post while Austin runs a wheel and the third guy, Urban, runs a five-yard pivot route. They hit the play earlier for a 40+ yarder to Millhouse. Syracuse blitzed but WVU picked it up and Urban was open underneath to the left, but Geno was pressured to his right and instead of throwing it away heaved it up. Bad combination: overly aggressive playcall with only six pass protectors, even with good protection there was pressure, and then the QB panicked and threw it up for grabs.
Lastly, obviously the OLine had major issues. They got beat on a lot of one-on-ones (that #99 for Syracuse was a big problem and he hadn’t played since week one). But they also missed assignments a lot. There were three or four instances where the tackle for WVU blocked an inside rusher leaving an outside guy free and causing the inside blocker, the guard, to block no one. I know WVU works on blitz pickup every day so I don’t know if it was a case where the coaches didn’t prepare them properly or the players just didn’t execute. I think the seven-man protection stuff would have helped but who knows.
3. Defense. I won’t go on and on about this but Syracuse obviously manhandled WVU’s front six/seven. In particular WVU really missed Nield at nose as the current nose tackle got pushed around a lot, and in Casteel’s scheme the middle linebacker, nose guard and two outside LBs have to clean up the interior gaps while the two ends push everything inside. The ends did an okay job coming upfield (but never getting pressure on Nassib) but the LBs just got blown off the ball and did a poor job dealing with the Cuse’s blockers. In particular, the frosh MLB Snow had a really tough game, trying to plug inside runs and getting hit with play action.
In terms of pass protection down in and down out it wasn’t terrible except WVU could never seem to make a play on the ball, so Syracuse kept hitting all those five-to-seven yarders over and over again. Some of this was the QB played the game of his life. Of course the wheel routes were killers. At least one looked like the problem of the OLB/outside safety guy in the flat not carrying the wheel route up the field, but it’s hard to say.
That obviously killed them, especially in the second half as WVU had made it a six point game in the 3rd quarter with momentum despite all the issues but Syracuse marched down the field again, hit a wheel route for a TD, then got a stop and then marched down and hit a wheel route again, and then Geno threw an awful interception and that was it.
Hopefully this is somewhat useful as I was as surprised as anyone to see Syracuse manhandle WVU. I think there were some bright spots in there but the game obviously got out of hand due to mistakes, turnovers, special teams touchdown, and Syracuse’s brutal efficiency. I can’t tell if Syracuse played the best game it has ever played or is turning into a legit squad — maybe a bit of both.
I will say this was a bad matchup for them as this team was as physical as any team they play and although WVU has good players they obviously have needs in the trenches. That said, this will be the blueprint for a lot of teams the rest of the year, including Rutgers next week, USF, and even Pitt to an extent (though less so from Pitt’s offense). I’m particularly interested to see how WVU responds to the heavy but conservative zone blitzing stuff. I think they’ll have to become a much better screen team for starters.
by smartfootball on Oct 22, 2011 11:14 AM EDT reply actions 3 recs
I think this is an accurate analysis
of the game I watched last night. There is much to be learned from this game on both offense and defense. You did not specifically mention special team, but we need vast improvement. Twice this year (Last night and against LSU) we have given up TD returns following a score by our offense cutting the lead to single digits.
Are you the guy that does the smartfootball Blog? If so, that’s a great site.
by dawg'eer8488 on Oct 22, 2011 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
yes
thank you.
WVU has a bright future. They’ll get it sorted out. Overall a very young team. I think they’re on the right track though last evening was not the kind of performance they want.
Re: special teams, no excuses but I expect Holgorsen to hire a special teams coordinator going into next year. Wasn’t something he had the chance to do coming into this one.
by smartfootball on Oct 22, 2011 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions
As a Cuse fan
I was surprised the same blueprint we had for success last year was working this year, especially with our much greener defense . Pressure, sack, intercept and send Geno Smith on the run. We did the exact same thing last year, the only difference was this year our offense actually clicked as well making the score so lopsided.
We also lost 7 starters on defense going into this year, and injuries were forcing 2nd stringers and walk ons to play for a good deal of it. This was the first game since our opener we knew we would have the defense running on as many cylinders as possible.
Having Chandler Jones back, well – I knew he would make a difference, but he went after Geno Smith like a man possessed, just like last year. He is living up to his namesake, his brother Art played for us, and is now playing for the Ravens on defense and his other brother Jon is the MMA light heavyweight champion.
by Pinker on Oct 22, 2011 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You guys got a ton of bullshit no calls, put that in your analysis, you played hard but hardly within
The rules of the game. The bullshit no call on the punk shit out of bounds with tavon, also it was nice watching all the injury timeouts with cuse guys sitting on the field talking and drinking water. We played bad, you guys played like thugs, ohh and playing banjo music late in the game, that was real classy, fuck you guys.
Yo VT HOW DOES IT FEEL
Injury timeouts? hahahaha Dude the cuse ran you out of the Dome and you guys thought you were gonna roll by 40+. Its called Syracuse Football. Punch you in mouth for 12 rounds. This aint your moms GROB teams. Oh and the banjo music that was nothing-Otto was burning couches on the sideline.
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by orangejesus on Oct 23, 2011 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow I have nothing to reply to.... you a total and complete asshole, maybe you and
philly should go back to rimming each other and leave the rest of us alone. I’m sorry your mom didn’t love either of you because she was out hitting the pipe.
Deliverance
Ding a ling ling ling ling ling ding ding ding.
Wipe that barbecue sauce from your maw when you talk about Cuse, redneck. We played like thugs? Waaaaaa is right. You played like little 8 year old girls.
Pride of the Big East. Holy crap, and I never thought I’d say this….good riddance.
Call WVU when you guys actually accomplish something, you suck, your a door mat and you got lucky
its cool that the highlight of your sad life is winning the New York bowl or beating WVU, I also appreciate is the only thing you have to celebrate is a trophy won by a guy 40 plus years ago. You guys are really working that one to death.
great analysis, great site
Thanks.
Do you think Holgo got away from the screen game because of Syracuse’s ability to force bad passes and/or bat down balls when they tried them? It seemed like Geno was having a heckuva time getting it to his guys quick enough to avoid pressure but with enough patience to let the screen set up.
by Llewelyn Moss on Oct 22, 2011 1:57 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Thanks for the analysis.
I was hoping someone could offer an intelligent explanation for last night because I’m still trying to wrap my head around it all.
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by Country Roads on Oct 22, 2011 2:56 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
Thanks for that.
Great insight as always. Made plowing through all the other BS in these comments worthwhile.
by DanaHolgorsen'sPreCirrhoticLiver on Oct 22, 2011 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions
question, somebody answer this for me
Earlier this year bruce got a roughing the passer call for leaving his feet and landing on the MD qb….. Last night on the screen pass the syracuse player took three steps after the ball is gone, no flag…. I counted four or 5 hits on Geno that were the ball was gone at least two steps before the hit. I am not a conspiracy theory guy, But espn at syracuse talking about the move to ACC referring to syracuse as the bully of th east, and not a single holding, or late hit on QB called. Yes they dominated wvu, they probably would have won anyway, but there were way to many no calls for this to have been clean officiating.
by Harry O'Dell on Oct 22, 2011 11:46 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I had the same question
watching the OU vs TT game. TT got called for a roughing the passer late and it was a lot closer than some of the no call hits against us (IMHO)
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Oct 23, 2011 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions
Lets face it
this is not the Gerg Robinson Era Syracuse and we aren’t the Rich Rod Era WVU. They have improved and we have declined, espicially on defense. This is HCDH first year, give it some time we’ll be back to where we were
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Last year was not a decline. This year is, mostly due to the loss of 7 starters, 2 on the line.
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by Country Roads on Oct 22, 2011 2:48 PM EDT via iPhone app up reply actions
The officiating was beyond terrible.... I loved the fact every time we moved the ball they had a phantom injury.
WVU played bad last night there is no doubt about that. It didn’t help that we played the officials as well. Watch the kick return and pay attention to the blatant block in the back right in front of the refs and kick returner. Then look at the terrible no calls on geno, the fact in this day and age it’s terribly strange how no footage of bruce’s personal foul existed and that the official admitted to DH that there were in fact 13 guys on the field it’s an excellent inditement of how bad the BE is in officiating. We got fucked, but it was a perfect storm, between the officials the D’s terrible play and geno’s lackadaisical attitude we got what we deserved. We are a better team we just didn’t care enough to show it.
Anyone else getting tired of all-world Tavon Austin dropping passes and killing drives?
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Oct 22, 2011 3:38 PM EDT reply actions
Hey Cuse Douches
Troll somewhere else. Come back and talk to us when you start winning BE championships and BCS bowl games. Yes you beat us two years in a row but we won what 8 straight before that? Lets let the year finish out and see who finishes ahead.
by WVU-Atlanta on Oct 22, 2011 6:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
What to say?
Congrats to the Orange. Credit where credit is due. They came out ready to play and WVU did not show up at all. Our defense sucks and our special teams blows. This tastes worse than the Florida Sugar Bowl beat down, cause at least Florida was good. Here’s a stamp for the next time this team decides to mail one in.
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Cuse Fan coming in peace
I was at the game, and in the 300s where I sit there were quite a few WVU fans (I sit right above where the Dome puts the “away crowd” and their cheerleaders. EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM WERE CLASS ACTS! They cheered like hell for their team, but were not obnoxious to the many home fans around them, were joking and having a good time with the many home fans around them, courteous and polite. Obviously, I am sure they would have had a better time had their team won, but…
From what I saw, I agree that the officiating was terrible, but it was terrible both ways. Like that old addage in baseball, if you are going to have a crappy strike zone, make sure it is a consistent, crappy strike zone. The refs were consistently crappy for both teams. Lots of missed calls, including quite a few missed PI interference on WVU defenders. That said, the game was the game. WVU got thumped. I don’t know about the entire season, but at that time, in that place, on that night, Syracuse was the better coached team, and the team that executed better.
On a final note, whomever represents your school and student body as the Moutaineer should be spoken to. Giving the finger to, and swearing at the home fans just ain’t right. Good natured smack talk, and giving back as I am sure the home fans were giving it to him is one thing.
But giving the finger to an entire section, Busch League. You fans, whom earned my respect last night at the game, deserve better than that from THE representative of your school.
When the fuck did that happen?
The Mountaineer flipping off the crowd was probably not a good representation(if it happened), but the Syracuse fans were vulgar and relentless the entire game. I was one row behind the WVU bench, and fans were throwing shit at Tyler Bitancourt and calling him a scum bag cocksucker for an entire half. Syracuse fans just giggled and laughed like it was so hilarious. I appreciate good natured smack talk too, and I give credit to Syracuse for beating us in every way. But your fans were classless in my section, I witnessed almost two fights in the corridor from drunk Syracuse fans provoking Mountaineer fans, so it goes both ways. I’m not a pussy, I’ve been to every stadium in the Big East numerous times, and I have seen Mountaineer fans at their very worst. But Syracuse fans acted like a classless bunch of jerks that had forgotten what it was like to win a big game.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Oct 22, 2011 8:42 PM EDT up reply actions
Nice Try
I was sitting right next to you i never saw any of that. (cue banjo music)
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EatSchmitt
You are right, throwing things is classless. However, those are fans you are talking about…I expect that from fans at EVERY stadium. I doubt you would be willing to go out on a limb and say that some West Virginia fans don’t act like that to the opposing teams during home games….However, we are talking about an actual representative of your University. As a fan and an alum, it would upset me to know that Otto traveled to your stadium and flipped off your fans. To your last statement, unfortunately due to the tailend of a bad regime, and of course the previous head coach of Syracuse (if you can call him that), it is no secret how poor Syracuse Football was prior to the arrival of Head Coach Doug Marronewe. Sadly, we kind of did forget what it was like to win a big game (in football). Unfortunately, it appears that some representatives of your University have forgotten what it means to act with class in defeat.
If it happened Anthony, I don’t agree with it.
Does Otto even have a middle finger?
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Oct 22, 2011 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm calling bullshit on this one. I know the guy and that isn't him. in this day and age, I can't believe
if that occurred someone didn’t record it……
Based on your posts on this board,
and over at Nunes, it doesn’t surprise me that you are “calling bullshit”. No worries. Do I think he is a bad person? Probably not. Rather, I believe he probably had a momentary lapse in judgment. However, when you hold certain positions, even a momentary lapse in judgment can have long term effects.
Wow - you WVU people have lots of Syracuse trolls on here
I just saw on TV that WVU is the first choice of the Big 12 when Mizzou bolts. After that it is, in order, BYU, Louisville and Cincy.
Say goodbye to Syracuse, Wake, Duke, Maryland, NC, yadda, yadda , yadda.
Say hello to OU, Okie State, Texas, Texas Tech, Kansas State, TCU, Iowa State
Say hello to 100,000 plus fans in the Big 12 stadiums and your own sold out stadium every year.
Say hello to an additional 15 million a year and constant National exposure and relevence.
Syracuse who?
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Indeed, according to this article, WVU is top of the order if Missouri leaves. This paper appears to be from Fort Worth and I don’t know how reliable it is, but that perhaps leaves some hope.
I’m not sure what happens, though, if say Mizzou bolts and WVU gets an invite. Does the Big East actually let them leave in 2012? Obviously the exit fee went up, but WVU didn’t really have a choice in the matter there—if they deem leaving is the better option, they’ll pay regardless of what it is. I can’t imagine the conference would be too pleased with more schools leaving and just let them circumvent the 27-month rule.
My understanding is that there was a clause for the increase in the exit fee
I really don’t know what that means though. Even if you had to pay more to leave, you will make significantly more in the Big 12 to offset it anyway. The other thing I don’t know about is the 27 month time lag requred. I don’t know if this even exists, I just heard something about it.
As far as recruiting in Texas, it is true that most Texas kids will stay in state, but because WVU will play more games in Texas, it will make it easier for parents to see their kids play.
This translates to a bigger recruiting base than you now have and a SIGNIFICANT advantage over…here it comes….syracuse!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
I still don’t know what to say. I could point out a million things we did wrong and give a million explanations why and rationalize it until it doesn’t seem that bad. But it is that bad. We are no longer a top program. The lack of talent on defense is startling, and it will only get worse next year.
I thought we were a competant O-coordinator away from returning to being top 15, but I was wrong. Holgorsen’s rope just got a whole lot shorter.
Wow....
….seriously?
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Say hello to the largest recruiting base in the country - the state of Texas
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
We got fucking jail-sexed
Against a (presumably) weaker, less talented team.
Something is wrong with this team, and it goes well beyond coaching (although Casteel’s scheme is bullshit and opposing offenses move the ball at will against it). Lack of focus, lack of consistency, lack of results. Same old tired ass story.
Hopefully it’s rectified sooner rather than later, because fuck me that was embarrassing.
You ever seen a grown man naked?
I'm going to go to bat for Casteel here.
Not saying the defense wasn’t awful, because it was, and Casteel definitely has a part to play in that. But if you look at our history, Casteel has consistently fielded very good defenses, even as recently as last year when we were in the top 3 in the country in most major defensive categories. It’s not the scheme, it’s the players. And when you lose 7 starters (2 on the line and 2 linebackers), many of whom are now in the NFL, you’re going to regress some.
All that being said, Cuse played a fantastic game in all facets. They dominated the line of scrimmage and hit receivers when they were open, especially on third down.
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by Country Roads on Oct 23, 2011 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions
NoXCUSE99
Are you a high school dropout? Grow up man, this game must have been huge in your world.
by PicktownMountie on Oct 23, 2011 3:23 PM EDT reply actions
so sad to see CUSE leave the conference...
after all it was Syracuse we beat in 1988 to complete an undefeated season and go to the National Championship! The scoreboard read PERFECT! The Mountaineer team took several VICTORY laps around the field. Meanwhile the Orangemen stood befuddled on the sidelines thinking in their wee little minds…I wonder if we’ll ever know what that feels like…
My prediction is NO…good luck and good game Friday night.
God Bless America and the Mountaineers!
WVUD
Your post makes no sense
The year before, in 1987, ’Cuse went undefeated.
Remember this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_m9Y_oZVlxE
And how many National Championships did WVU actually win anyway? In ’59, our other undefeated season, we actually won the thing. Did you?
One parting shot: All time series SU 37 – WVU – 25. I wonder if you’ll ever know what it feels like to lead the series. Guess not.
I will say this about Syracuse - you have a real good hockey puckey team (laughter)
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
The two main troll instigators have been banned
Do not egg this on any further, or stoop to their level
Noted and well done.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 23, 2011 11:19 PM EDT up reply actions
Thank Goodness...
…those bans were much-deserved.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Sorry Bro. I actually thought I controlled myself rather nicely, because I was fuming.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Oct 24, 2011 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
You're fine
some others have been tiptoeing the line….after I banned the trolls.
I got no problems with people “defending our turf” intelligently, but most of the responses were spiraling out of control and simply making it worse. I didn’t want to ban those two, because it seemed that’s what they were aiming for to begin with. But I wasn’t letting it get out of control more than it already had and that was the only way to stop it
VT and myself are probably not the best two people to be voicing our opinions soon after an embarrassing loss, especially when provoked.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Oct 24, 2011 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
I was enjoying the anonymous internet users personally attack each other due to their enjoyment of watching different football teams.
Yikes - and no doubt I was one of the main ones
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 24, 2011 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
reading on Twitter that ND will decide by new yr if they want to switch all NON-football sports from Big L-EAST to BigXII OMG i’m gonna go on drinking binge puke n rally & postal if WVU replaces Mizz & Notre BLEEPING Dame brings their "we’re ND, our BLEEP doesn’t stink attitude as the Grinch said, I hate, hate, hate LOATH ND….
REALLY? Do you have a link to this?
LOL – you hate ND? I have a Michigan State friend that calls them the “Ecclesiastical embezzlers”.
But don’t you think it would be great to have them in the Big 12? You know of course, that is a first step towards them joining with their football program? This assumes this is just not rumor, of course.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
You're not seriously
excited by this are you? Of all the mistakes the Big XII has made over the years, this would trump them all. Not that the Big XII isn’t a much better conference than the Big East, but can’t you see that Notre Dame is just a leech in all of it’s other sports? They have no desire to join a football conference unless the 4-16 model and break from NCAA was in the works.
I have to believe that Notre Dame would certainly bring more national prestige than A&M or Missouri
True, they have lost some of their glitter over the last decade, but they are still Notre Dame.
I’m interested in your opinion they are a leech. Have I missed something, being from Texas, that you guys up there have seen? This is not a snarky question as I am really interested in what you know about them.
To be honest, there are very few of us, down here, that know that much about WVU either.
My interest in WVU stems from the fact that Dutin Garrison played football with my grandson at Pearland. That and the rumble that WVU is now the frontrunner for the next Big XII candidate invitee.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 24, 2011 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
Notre Dame
is a member of the Big East in all sports (that the BE sponsors) except football, leeching off of the conference pool of money and NCAA tournament bids, and even a couple football bowl bids, while not sharing any of their football money (namely the $ they get from NBC or their bowls).
The only benefit the Big East has reaped from having Notre Dame affiliated with them is the slightly less shitty lineup of bowls for the football teams to have a chance at.
Ah, that doesn't sound good.
Are you saying that ND PARTICIPATED in Big East bowl revenues? Because if they did, that is ridiculous and lays at the feet of the Big East allowing it. Also, how did ND have anything to do with the bowl games the Big East were in?
On another subject, how competitive do you think WVU will be, in the Big XII, in sports like baseball and basketball? Even though the Big XII has a few schools with very good basketball teams and the baseball is outstanding – football is still king and overshadows all else.
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
by Snide Aside on Oct 24, 2011 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions
ND didn't get BE bowl money
but their presence in a couple bowls prevented the BE from having the money from those specific bowls (this isn’t really the issue, because ND has been fairly terrible the last few)
WVU will do fine in BB as long as Huggins is around (and he isn’t going anywhere anytime soon)…baseball on the other hand….it will be a struggle, possibly for a while (depending if pending program upgrades help with recruiting and a better coach)
Here is my take on WVU joining a, basically, southern conference.
If WVU is not competitive (and I’m not saying they aren’t) with the Big XII football, they soon will be.
The reasons:
1. WVU seems to be far more into football than, say, Wake Forest or even Syracuse. As such, they will intensify their efforts to BE competitive.
2. Don’t kid yourself about the recruiting – you WILL have more access to the Texas pool of recruits.
3. The Texas weather will have a bigger impact on your existing recruiting base (not everyone likes to play in an igloo)
4. Premium players like to play against premium teams (OU, TEXAS, OKIE LITE, etc.)
5. The WVU brand is not unknown in Texas
6. Coaching prospects will improve for obvious reasons
7. Finally, as far as UT, the cheerleaders wear chaps!
We’re Texas.
We don’t derive our value or self-definition from conference affiliation.
If that strikes people as cocky, so what? It’s also true. None of us will chant our conference’s name when we have an off year and Texas Tech wins their bowl game. Our definition of self comes from us – not our conference, not our rivals, not media perception.
Got a Prediction..... How's 9-4 sound??
Sounds pretty familiar doesn’t it?? I’m still good with the direction we’re going, but the bitch-slapping that Syracuse gave us was a huge dose of reality. I hope the Mountaineers use this positively and take the remaining opponents very seriously. This should be a big wake-up call. Yes, the reffing was baffling and the ‘injuries’ were ridiculous, but let’s get it going!
Speaking of Notre Dame—just attended the USC game—-where does all the huge amount of cash that program pulls in go?? It’s a great college environment, but how about springing a few bucks on a post-1970s scoreboard and replacing the decaying wooden bleacher seats?? ND is going to avoid any conference affiliation so they don’t have to expose and share the holy empire.
by Midwest Mountaineer on Oct 24, 2011 1:39 AM EDT reply actions





















