PRE-SEASON COACHES METER
THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE NOW
As I read post on this and other fan sites the overall opinion of Stew is not favorable going into his third season and thats not just by the national media who by the way are ranking west virginia as low as fourth in the Big East but also by the locals and fans who are no longer buying into Stew as the man to lead this team.
Put out a pre-season poll and see what the opinion is.
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I vote Yes, I approve of his job
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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Yes, I approve
I have said this over and over again. Changing coaching staffs is not something anyone should undertake lightly. Two years is too short an evaluation period unless a coach just completely screws the pooch. Three seasons should be the absolute minimum, but only with negative trending. Stewart has had two 9-4 seasons in a row, so the trending right now is flat, but decent. If he gets to 10 wins this year, I think he’s a keeper. If he drops to 8 or fewer wins, he’d have to win the BE Championship in his fourth year to keep my support.
That said, there’s also always the question of who do you get to replace the guy. All y’all with unfavorable views of HCBS, with whom would you replace him?
"I like the taste of danger most of all." - Jonatha Brooke
I approve.
I’m buying into the more balanced system. I like the idea of Stew wanting big, tall, and fast guys.
by ShadyMountaineer on Aug 2, 2010 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
I don't approve
of the job Stewart is doing.
Who do I want to take the job? I don’t know. It’s not my job. I’m too busy to be searching potential candidates and not get paid for it.
But ok, I’ll bite.
Like in ANY job search, I want someone w/ a capable resume, preferable prior experience as a head coach or o/d coordinator, outstanding communicator, high football IQ (Marv Levy type intelligence unnecessary), and a high likelihood of being able to lead 19-23 yo student-athletes.
Most importantly, the PROCESS is very important in a coaching search and making sure it is done w/ an insane amount of due diligence.
Unlike the prior coaching “search”
VMI wanted to reup Stew
Stew actually kinda won at VMI, something that doens’t normally happen there. He was a OC in the CFL, and it seems like he can lead 19-23 year old students(See Fiesta Bowl 2008). We have good recruting classes. Also lets take a step back how many programs would be throwing parties if they were having the level of success we are having right now
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"I have a dream where a man is judged not by the color of his skin, but by the content of his character" Martin Luther King Jr.
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Aug 5, 2010 12:40 PM EDT up reply actions
Ohio State wouldn't, USC wouldn't, Texas wouldn't
Florida wouldn’t, Alabama wouldn’t, Oklahoma wouldn’t, Virginia Tech wouldn’t (throw parties) w/ our level of success.
Marshall would, Virginia would, Kentucky would, Indiana would (throw parties) w/ our level of success.
Therefore, I guess that we should focus our attention that we’re better than our inferiors as opposed to striving to be more like our superiors??
I guess I’m not used to that sorta thinking, since I am a driven and successful individual.
its the same thing that happens with Steeler fans
we have a 9-7 year miss the playoffs and we feel like it was a tremendus failure, when we look over to Texans fans they are giddy about a 9-7 year and missing the playoffs. Would I like to to be in the NC hunt yes, but do we need to take it step by step yes. Lets focus on winning the BE first then lets worry about a NC. Do I think Stew can get us there yes I do.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"And why do we fall, Bruce? So we can learn to pick ourselves up." Thomas Wayne
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I was with you until the last part about being a driven and successful individual.
I really think the difference in our opinions comes down to our view on WVU’s potential, and realistic expectations based on that potential. I welcome you to have a civil discussion with me on this issue.
At this point, I agree with your assessment of our place in the college football world between OSU, USC, Texas, etc., (with the exception of VT, who I think we’re on par with) and Marshall, UVA, Kentucky, etc. I also agree that we should strive to get into that upper eschelon. So, where does that leave us?
I think those schools that are above us have some built-in advantages that WVU doesn’t have. Those include recruiting base, money (which brings better facilities, coaches salaries, recruiting budget, etc.), and tradition (national titles, heisman winners, fan base, pro prospects, etc.). I don’t think anyone could say that WVU has an advantage over OSU, USC, Texas, etc. in any of these categories.
Given those disadvantages, how does WVU get into that group? I think the model is to have a coach who is going to stay at WVU over a long period of time and establish a winning tradition. Nehlen made some great strides by putting players in the pros, playing for two national titles, and drawing large crowds. Rod followed along the same path, but did a lot of damage when he left for Michigan (in part by creating the impression that Michigan is a better program than WVU). Obviously, this approach takes time and patience. But if a coach can win and develop pro talent over a long period, more money will flow into the program and the gap between us and those other schools will close.
I don’t think it serves WVU well to pull the plug on a coach who wins 9 games in each of his first two years. Is 9 wins what we’re striving for? Of course not. But it’s not a sign of utter failure either. It at least buys the coach more time to see if he can get to the 10-11-12 range (remember, nobody has ever won 12 at WVU). Firing and hiring coaches is risky. It’s hard on the players, it leaves the program unstable, and it might make it hard to attract other coaches if they are worried about getting fired for going 9-3 (elite coaches won’t be scared off by this, but an up and coming coach may consider it, and other coaches may use the instability to recruit against WVU). Further, you never know what you’re going to get with a new coach. You might get a Kragthorpe (looked like a homerun hire, ran Louisville into the ground) or you might get an Urban Meyer (turned Bowling Green into a winner then left for a better job and BG went back to being mediocre). Neither one of them gets you where you want to go.
Given all that, I’m open to hear your opinions on how WVU can get into the elite class. Am I wrong in any of my premises? Is there a flaw in my logic?
I’m not saying Stew is the guy to get us there, but I’m not saying he’s not either. I do admit that I didn’t like the hire or the way it was made, but he is our coach and I’m going to support him given his first two seasons. IMO, 9 wins is enough to buy him more time. If he doesn’t win the Big East this year, I’ll concede that his seat should start getting warm. If he still hasn’t won in 2011, I’ll be ready to start looking at making a change. I know you feel differently, so I’ll stop with this line of thinking.
Finally, analogizing WVU as a football program to you as a “driven and successful individual”: I have no idea how old you are, what you do for a living, or how you got there. Let’s say you work for Company A. Are there people in your company who are inherently smarter, more personable, and more talented? Assuming the same work ethic, do those people generally work their way up the ranks faster than those who aren’t as smart, personable, and talented? Both people may eventually get to the top, but doesn’t it take longer for some people who don’t come in with the same advantages? It’s not a perfect analogy, but to me, WVU is the guy without the advantages. The drive is still there, it just takes a little longer to accomplish the same things.
by Country Roads on Aug 7, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions
There Is No Way I Would Say...
Virginia Tech or Oklahoma are currently our superiors….I don’t believe either of their records over even the last three seasons merit that kind of credit. And remember when they said our bowl loss against Virginia might have been a preview of a national title game? So much for predictions and the vagaries of college football outcomes. Al Groh was as hot as Rod at one point, and where is he now? Hello DC at Georgia Tech, which by the way…was once really hot under coach Chan Gailey, but hey, you gotta beat those rivals or you get canned, even if the Buffalo Bills still think you are head coaching material. Was Gailey a bad coach? No, he just couldn’t do something that Stewart has managed to do twice at the college level – win nine games. And don’t even try to say his competition was better. We’re talking ACC, not SEC. Groh got to the number 9 twice in his tenure, but I might add that we helped there one year, and the other also featured 5 losses…the point being, that I think Mtneer in SC nails it…if only because a fourth year should be a foregone conclusion, barring a complete meltdown in which we slip to like five wins, or something.
With this schedule, 9 regular-season wins is a requirement for me to maintain full allegiance to Stew and crew. But, in truth, I will be disappointed if WVU does not win 10. We are young at quarterback, but so is every single team in the Big East, so conference games should be less of a crapshoot because we are loaded, or should be, defensively. I think LSU is winnable, because, come on, wouldn’t you say the luster is of off Les Miles? Which only goes to my earlier assertion that no matter the coaching search, or the resume, it is all still guessing, and winning may come at the price of later sanctions…(uneasy chuckle)
…the only surefire college coaches out there, to me, right now, are Carroll (watch out, here comes the NCAA…think I will take that Seattle job) and Saban….(sorry Tressel, but you just can’t seem to run the gauntlet without a Coker Miami team around…). And since we probably can’t pry Saban from Alabama’s redneck grasp, I say we hang with the current regime and see what the next two years bring. And, Stew, if you are reading this…like I said…it better be 10-2 regular season. The natives are restless…I’m just sayin’.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
hahahahahaha
“from Alabama’s redneck grasp”
I don’t think West Virginians (or Ohioans for that matter) should be commenting on Alabama and rednecks.
too much writing
I’ll need to not drink at all (or drink a whole lot more) to pour through these articles. and I thought I missed football season!

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