WVU Blows Out Pitt, Sideshow Overshadows?
On a night when so many things went right -- Ebanks' hot start, Kilicli's dazzling debut, and a spanking of a ranked Pitt team -- this night m bay very well be remembered for everything that went wrong.
After a stern warning from Huggins for throwing things on the court, not to mention the several e-mails about profanity, a Pitt assistant coach was hit in the face by something thrown from the crowd (most likely ice). We'll have a full review tomorrow, mostly of those things that did go right; but for tonight, you tell us: have the events of tonight convinced you that the Mountaineer fans and students have gotten too far out of line? What needs to be done, if anything, to make sure that something like this doesn't happen again?
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The T on the crowd was deserved, you don’t throw shit…the BS from the fracas was basically all on the official, even McGhee didn’t deserve any more than a personal foul….IMHO
My only comment (for awhile)
Whatever was thrown sure looked like it came from the general public seats, not the students. I won’t pile on them for that.
by Dr. Charley West on Feb 3, 2010 9:36 PM EST reply actions
My initial thought when I saw the replay was that it actually came from where the Pitt players were taking their seat. Not that it’ll matter what was thrown or where it was thrown from. Tonight on Sportscenter it’ll be a burning cross lobbed from the student section by Gov. Manchin and it’ll kill 6 nuns, the assistant coach and everyone’s grandma.
Christ, it’s not like this assistant was hit with a metal trash can from the upper deck or something…
If you can't identify the debris thrower...
…you have to just pick out people to eject. You only have to do it once, after which people will police themselves. But it has to be established that there are real penalties for even being in proximity to someone who throws things.
by bicklefischerkane on Feb 3, 2010 9:40 PM EST reply actions
no
you don’t just start randomly throwing out innocent people… you beef up the measures of security…
Why not
It goes to prove a point. If a random fan can cost us points, then a random fan can be thrown out. Just goes to prove a point that it will no longer be tolerated at WVU. Your ticket can be revoked for any reason WVU wants. Would I be pissed hell yeah, I would throw a shoe but many people around me who knew I did not throw it, would watch out next time for those who do throw things. Make an example out someone
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 3, 2010 10:31 PM EST up reply actions
I agree
sometimes you have to make a point to people to not do dumb things like that. But you also have to remeber that back in the eighties we did have the penny throwing incident, the Golf Ball incident and the pepper spraying incident, so its not like the first time its happened and at some point you have to put an end to it. I want to JP Fanshawe’s take on this, I bet it will be good.
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 3, 2010 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
This is littered on
ESPN news…..Unfortunately, I didn’t have game access. Don’t the players sit on opposite side of student section? Probably from the general section, as one poster said earlier, which makes it that much MORE embarassing. Can’t wait to hear from my OSU friends about this in the coming days….Damn!
WVU has always had a regional (amongst Eastern teams) reputation as having a rowdy and out of control fanbase, fair or not. This sort of exposure makes the students, especially, look very poor. Hopefully, it will not cause the WWL to “pre-empt” upcoming WVU games.
Heard the new guy really looked good.
I’m an advocate of throwing eggs, oranges or other produce, in addition to metal trashcans.
Whatever was thrown didn’t come from the student section.
Not sure there is any way to reverse course and become reputed as model fans now. Might as well embrace the dark side and make the Coliseum a house of horrors where ANYTHING goes.
You're kiding, right?
Because if you aren’t, please step away from my University. We don’t need any more jackasses than we already have.
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the wheel." - Jonatha Brooke
If the refs don’t want bottles thrown onto the court, they should make better and more favorable calls.
If a fan hits an assistant coach in the face with an object, I give credit to the fan for a strong arm and pinpoint accuracy. The thing we forget is that that is not an easy throw to make.
One thing's for sure.
Based on his performance this past season, it wasn’t Jarrett Brown who threw the coin…unless of course he was trying to hit Devin Ebanks on an out route.
by Country Roads on Feb 6, 2010 9:22 PM EST up reply actions
students taking away attention from our players
One of the most disappointing aspects about our student behavior is that it will probably overshadow our total dominance over pitt. The university needs to make a serious effort to crack down on this type of behavior. Any student or adult fan who throws anything needs a lifetime ban from the arena, no questions about it. Any time fan activity results in points for the other team is unbelievable and unfair to the players. What if that had cost us a game in the BIG EAST?
That being said, kilici is going to complete this basketball team. his dominant inside presence gives us the ability to have a legit inside scoring threat. I cannot wait to see him polish his defense and start rebounding more consistently.
Totally classless
I’m with the rest of the people on here in thinking the object which was either ice or a 50 cent piece, you know how the vendors love giving those as change, was thrown from behind the basket. No matter who threw the object, this incident just furthers our reputation as a bunch of lawless hillbillies. Awesome.
I think it will overshadow our win nationally because they love piling on when WVU does something bad. We burn stuff or storm the field and we are out of control but an SEC school goes crazy and they are a passionate fanbase. Having said that no excuse for throwing anything on the floor. I have pointed idiots like that out to security on multiple occasions and would do it again. Fans should affect the opposing team by being loud, not by putting out someones eye.
I will commend Dixon in his postgame comments he stated that one fan shouldn’t make an entire fanbase look bad and he did not want to talk about it. Pittsburgh reporters kept pressing him to say we are the worst fans ever but he would not take the bait and ignored the questions.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 3, 2010 10:28 PM EST reply actions
Our rep.
was already one of a “bunch of lawless hillbillies”. It has been since 1863. West Virginia will NEVER be able to rid this baseless stereotype. In fairness to the proponents of this stereotype, there are quite a few lawless hillbillies residing in the Mountain State.
You constantly talk about wanting to be better but...
Yet again you have given up and say it will “NEVER” change. Well, I don’t accept that stereotype as fact. It can be changed and I will help bring about the change. After the UConn game our fans had some good will built up nationally with some sports writers but this incident was two steps back. Let’s stop pulling a Paula Abdul and begin walking toward a new image for WVU. Don’t just accept a negative, turn the corner and make a new image that is positive.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 8:41 AM EST up reply actions
should do something like Calipari did
And have a huge charity drive that would defect perception away from this issue; as it did for his perceived “crookedness”(never personally charged with any NCAA infraction BTW). Love the tenor of the PItt Rivalry for you guys, though tarnished by the crowd antics; still a great win for WVU. The ranking is totally deserved. In a head to head comparison with Uk, I have WVU as more rounded, harder nose team, bbut with Uk tons quicker and more athletic. Calipari is a flashier coach, but Huggins better at in game adjustments. I’m praying to see both programs lock up this year, hopefully in the final four . That would be faantastic for both programs, and the whole central appalachian region.
"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO
hey 5th year
Is Dixon’s interview is online?
I have no clue.
You may want to check on WV Metro News under WVU sports
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 3, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions
The pitt players were cold, and The croud wanted to "ice" the pitt bench"
Dr. Charley West, your right. What was thrown at the pitt bench looked like ice, right or wrong, could have been prevented. Although, it was teh Back Yard Brawl, and nothing goes unnoticed. Definately didnt come from a student, to far away from the scene (and angle) of the crime. Too bad it wasnt a chair……….
Dixons great hair
Dixon doesnt have great hair. closeups revealed hes got a big bald spot and the worlds biggest combeover, or comeack in this case…….
Regardless
Of what was thrown and from where, that chubby short pussy coach totally hammed it up. On tv you couldnt see anything. I thought he was lying. It appeared as though Huggs asked him about it aftet the game and he looked like he was still hamming it. That pissed me off that he would whine about it like that. I would understand if he was pissed and yelled at the crowd.
by WVU-Atlanta on Feb 3, 2010 11:13 PM EST via mobile reply actions
That also happened as well
by how he reacted you would have thought he was hit by a brick or something like that
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 3, 2010 11:22 PM EST up reply actions
Seems to me...
….that our fans contributed to their reputation as “classless” tonight. When your coach has to get on the horn and call you an “idiot” and ask that you be “thrown out”, we’re looking might small in spite of our ranking.
I blame the univ.
Firstly I would like to make it clear I am a student. I am from WV and I am proud to go to WVU and love my state. Secondly, under normal circumstances I would not condone any of the behavior of the evening(other then the clown stomping we gave shitty ass pitt). However, I also read some of the lovely articles that were sent out to the students, and I think that the univ created this.The univ whined about it all week in the emails, and they whined about it in the DA, so to the univ i say that you made your bed, now youre going to have lay in it. I mean im sorry to the children in the stands, im sorry that you had to hear the student section and the crowd, but ALL student sections are rowdy. allow me to reiterate ALL. the only places that dont are places like duke,harvard, religious schools, etc. and to be completely honest i have no desire to ever be like duke, and to be honest i dont really want a “family-friendly” atmosphere. I want a sporting venue that scares the crap out of opponents, i want opposing fans and teams to fear coming to my school and playing our teams, and I would venture to say a quantifiable percentage of WVU students share this opinion. Now, If the univ would take some of the pysch classes they offer here, or even use a little bit of common sense they couldve seen the storm they were creating. Common sense would tell you that if you tell a bunch of kids not to do something or to quit something they are either going to A. do it just to make you mad or B. they didnt realize what they were doing was bad/ did not think about doing things like that. Pysch would tell you that group think is addictive. Anyone that disagrees with this is either lying to themselves or they are out of touch with reality.and now they are going to have to deal with this for every other big game the remainder of the season. So the next logical step is what? kick students out. good luck if you ever let them back in, it will be worse then before. try to monitor them? how are you going to do that and have a student section that can really get into opponents heads? There are no simple answers, and if the univ doesnt tread lightly they are going to make it far worse then what it already is.
Grow Up
You sound like a middle school crybaby who got his playstation taken away. The students have been crossing the line between rowdy and rediculous and school has every right to tell them to stop. All schools have rowdy fan sections, but not all of them cross the line.
Are you serious?
You are blaming the University, because they told you behave with a little bit of class? You are blaming someone else for your actions? That is typical and extremely sad that you do not see how bad this incident actually was and could have been. Then you say that there is nothing the University can do? Oh really? I would not be surprised if there are some new policies put in place, just like what was done after the Jack bottle that was thrown on the field at a football game.
Nobody wants the students to be quiet and not get rowdy for the game. As you said, it is a sporting event and it should be loud and intimidating. The intimidation should come from noise and clever chants/cheers. What it shouldn’t be, is intimidating because of fear of physical violence from the stands. That is totally unacceptable and one of the most patently absurd thoughts anyone has ever expressed in this comment section, including a Columbus’ rant.
There is no need to intimidate opposing fans either. They are there to cheer on their team, whether it is Pitt or Liberty, let them cheer for their team. Intimidating fans does nothing to help our team win, it only serves to make you look like an idiot.
Grow up. If you actually read many of the posts you would know that we were not blaming the students for the incident. Yet you opened your mouth and made yourself look simple minded. You are already blaming future incidents on the University because they want to control you. It is a sporting event, not war, there are laws and rules that should be followed and enforced. I hope they are enforced and I hope an incident like this never happens again. Good luck to you in life, you’re going to need it.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 8:54 AM EST up reply actions
I think internet fighting is dumb
so im not going to lower myself to getting into a war of words with you. all i am trying to say is that if you put yourself into the shoes of an 18-24 yr old student you would feel the same way. if someone tells you not to do it, then you are going to try your damndest to do that said thing. if you say that you didnt/dont do this as a young adult then i dont believe you.and also, i suggest that you should reevaluate some of your roles as a poster. when you begin to attack your readers then you have made your opinion, and therefore your posts completely invalid. if you have to result to attacking someone personally then you have no business posting because you cannot control your opinions.but for your consideration someone who perhaps can gain some credibility with you here is an article from the opinion section of todays DA, it is from a sociology professor at the university.
Surroundings are a factor into what is acceptable behavior
I have read, as members of the Morgantown and West Virginia University communities, have addressed the “abhorrent” behavior of our students.
I can’t say that I condone the behavior; however, I question if this type of behavior is different than other campuses around the country.
Are we to assume that no other fan base uses profanity or directs cheers at the Louisville coach?
In effect, by labeling these students as deviant, we are in many ways creating the actual behavior in question.
These young adults understand the difference between right and wrong.
However, what is “right” and “wrong” is relative.
These students are all socialized in a different way that affords an understanding of what is acceptable and unacceptable.
In various institutions we see the differences in behavior.
When one interacts with their family, that communication is different than the
communication in an organizational setting.
How you behave in an educational setting will be different from the behavior in a sports setting.
This self-fulfilling prophecy that has manifested itself will no doubt be a topic of discussion after the Pitt game.
I wonder should we suggest that our students show up at games like many of the fans who sit near me in both the Coliseum and Milan Puskar Stadium.
We could instruct them to dress in neither gold nor blue, wearing instead suits and cocktail dresses so as to provide the appearance of “keeping up with the Joneses.”
We could encourage our students to act like many of the fans that sit near me, the type of fans who only cheer at the end of halves/quarters, who only stand when their body requires a good stretch.
I wonder if our students acted like many of our other fans, if this new behavior would be given as much attention.
Daniel W. Brewster
Instructor
Stop justifying this terrible behavior
As for your statements, I have no clue what you were talking about.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions
sigh.
i give up. if you dont understand what i am saying i dont know how else to explain it. im not justifying this behavior i am merely stating that this is and was preventable.
They tried to prevent by warning you "Don't do it."
I had Brewster and Nolan for class and I understand the gang/mob mentality. However, saying that is simply justifying behavior.
I understand why it happens but you have control of how you react to a situation.
, i suggest that you should reevaluate some of your roles as a poster. when you begin to attack your readers then you have made your opinion, and therefore your posts completely invalid.
I have no clue what that meant.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
"Your Post Is Completely Invalid..."
…when you attack your readers? What does that even mean? I admire you 5th. You are always up to the challenge. I am trying to just go crickets on ’em these days.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Roberto, what you fail to understand is that the university did not create the situation. The out of control students created it. Do you have ANY idea what the reputation of west Virginia as a state and university is outside of west Virginia? Do you realize that these idiots are successfully reinforcing every single negative stereotype about this state every day? Excuse me, but FUCK those students. I don’t want anyone treading lightly. Ban them for life for all I care. There are better ways to cheer your team and intimidate your opponents than by raining debris down on them.
It’s apologists like you that create this behavior. You add to the violent and dangerous atmosphere at games and make every west Virginian look like a drunken, out of control redneck. Good job. I hope you’re still proud.
rarely heard a curse word at a UK game
if we aren’t hillbillies, then who is? Never saw an item thrown at Rupp arena;one of the biggest home court advantages in college bball.
"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO
Ro, Come On...
I attended Transy for two years before transferring back to WV, and there is no way Lexington counts as Hillbilly. Rupp is attached to a Hyatt, for cryin’ out loud. It oozes breeding and money, and I would argue that that breeding is the reason no one curses or throws junk on the court. Lexington has never been cursed with Appalachian fatalism the way more mountainous climes have. (Two words that end the argument: Horse Farms!)
By the way, I am an avid horseplayer to this day due in large part to the time I spent there, and it is still one of my favorite cities in the U.S.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Quote from ESPN anchor
“Act like you’ve been there before, even if you haven’t”—Ouch……..I pretty much agree w/ this one. We’ve only been to one NC in our school’s history, and our students still storm the floor sometimes when we win against teams….We’re not South Carolina anymore….That’s something we do when Gale Catlett was coaching for 30 years.
Totally agree...that one hurt because it was true
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions
"We're not South Carolina anymore"
unnecessary dig. How many schools would NOT rush the floor upon beating the number 1 undefeated team in the nation? Could name them all on one hand probably, and all would be from the research triangle of NC.
Maybe, just once, someone will call me "sir" without adding, "you're making a scene."
by HireMattMillen on Feb 4, 2010 5:08 PM EST up reply actions
Speaking from experience
As someone who as been thrown out of a football game for literally kicking someone who threw something in the ass and being thrown out of a game for throwing a snowball at a friend in a empty student section I’ll agree that it is up to the students to police themselves.
Watching Huggie’s rant I noticed that the majority of the student section cheered and clapped, nodding in agreement of his proposal that anyone that threw something should be thrown out, however quickly returning to “stupid” behavior. If the students, or if A student would stand up and say ENOUGH it would go a long way to helping curtail this problem that has been a problem for as long as I’ve been a WVU fan.
I’m certain that it will never be fully “solved”, I mean look at dumbass Philadelphia Eagles fans that still throw crap and theoretically they paid WAY more for their tickets and should be slightly more mature.
As far as Roberto goes…come on…are you serious? Has the administration taken it to far in the past? Sure. Does that give the students license to do whatever the hell they want? No. Does being a “proud” WVU fan give you the right to blame others for your immaturity? Hell no.
My message to the students (which I know will fall on deaf ears)…GROW UP…just a little. I’m sure your mothers and fathers taught you better than throwing things at people when you were angry (or if they didn’t go back to New Jersey) but seriously folks, throwing whatever you have in your hand and screaming is a reaction I expect from my VERY SMALL child not an 18-23 year old representative of a place I hold dear.
by Oregon Mountaineer on Feb 4, 2010 7:49 AM EST reply actions
Side Note
I heard while watching the game on TV during on free throw attempt by Da’ Sean Butler a girl screaming in that high pitched way in an attempt to rattle Butler. Almost immediately I also heard a male voice yell in the quiet Colosseum “SHUT UP BITCH”, while not really appropriate it sure was funny.
by Oregon Mountaineer on Feb 4, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions
I watched that at least 10 times after the game when Charley told me about it.
Now that is funny.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 8:57 AM EST up reply actions
lay off Philly Fan
You’re painting them with the same brush that WV gets painted with. Fan stupidity happens almost everywhere, but stereotypes are created when the national media mercilessly re-run, re-play and re-hype isolated incidents. Just enforce the law and throw the offender in jail.
Stop blaming "the national media"
The event happened. Who cares if it happens “almost everywhere?” We should be better than that.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions
It's the National Media
that fan the flames of stereotypes. I said the action was objectionable and should be dealt with, but the 24/7 coverage of stupidiy by an INDIVIDUAL perpetuates the stereotype. Bad behavior is bad behavior. Stereotypes are a creation that could be avoided by a responsible media.
Pitt fan threw 50 cent piece
I was at the game and I think the object that hit the Pitt coach was thrown from their own section aimed at a ref. Think about it they new we would get a T.
by WVEeR on Feb 4, 2010 8:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Pitt's section is directly behind the bench and at the very top behind the basket.
The object hit a coach in the face that was basically face mid-court. If your theory is correct it was a magic 50 cent piece, ala JFK bullett, or someone has a really good arm.
It is a 1 in 14,980 chance that the person that threw it was a Pitt fan. I will take a bet that it was one of our fans.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
I was at the game near the Pitt section, and I clearly saw Karl Krouser angrily hand Chevy Truatman the 50-cent-piece he received from The D-Train as change for his Zuls and Chevy throw the 50-cent piece in the direction of the court.
The most plausible explanation yet.
I always suspected the D-Train was a double agent.
by Dr. Charley West on Feb 4, 2010 10:50 AM EST up reply actions
However not making excuses for the rest of the terrible behavior
by WVEeR on Feb 4, 2010 8:34 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The Big East network didn't have the game in
Martinsburg, it was Geargetown and USF, I i dont have gameplan. So I got on espn360 and hooked it to my TV. That was the most embarrassing game I have ever watched. I just wanted it to be over. Never have I seen a coach get on the PA and announce to the crown not to throw anything. I mean not even high school. The players played well, and I though Deniz played really good for what time he was in. The students however have been terrible all year, Leave half way through a football game and now throwing stuff and dropping f-bombs on national tv. Something needs to be done.
by ShadyMountaineer on Feb 4, 2010 9:11 AM EST reply actions
I recall a Rutgers game in the early 90’s that got way out of hand. Also, Huggins has been on the mic before, I want to say against Oklahoma in Charleston? I believe Beilein got on the mic during a game, but I could be wrong. He definitely demonstratively waived to the students to stop chanting profanity on more than one occasion.
Beilein HAS DEFINITELY been on the mic before.
I witnessed it. This is nothing new.
was that when the Student Section threw Golf Balls on the field
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
I want to have sex with this moment. And get this moment pregnant. VAsaintsfan after the 2009 NFC championship game
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thats right
I knew it was some time around there but I couldn’t remeber, partley because I was 7 when that happened
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
I want to have sex with this moment. And get this moment pregnant. VAsaintsfan after the 2009 NFC championship game
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by WVPiratesfan on Feb 5, 2010 12:28 AM EST up reply actions
Bobby Knight on the mic several times
"Ignorance, I can fix, stupidity, well that's another matter!"-82nd Airborne NCO
5th Year....
…your odds are wrong. There’s probably a 1,000 in 14,980 chance it was Pitt fan, since there were plenty of them in the house last night. I think TV also clearly showed that whatever hit the Pitt coach definitely DIDN’T come from the student section.
Throwing stuff on the court is wrong, though it happens frequently throughout the country in situations just like last night’s. High tension rivalry games where officiating and physical play are out of control to begin with. I think that is a very very easy thing to address though. I was once told that they have a video system that can zero in on any fan in the football stadium, I don’t think it’s too much to ask for the Coliseum too. Eject someone who throws something, easy as pie. If they’re a season ticket holder (and all students are, though they aren’t guaranteed seats), revoke their tickets. Nobody will throw anything.
That said, the outrage over the chanting is hilarious. Maybe I’m just not easily offended, but I thought everything that’s been chanted has been fine. If a parent feels they can’t bring a child to the game because of what they might hear, it speaks more to that person’s inability to talk to their own children, then what’s appropriate.
I was with until your last sentence
You should be able to take your children out in public and to a sporting event without having to explain to them what a faggot is and tell them not to repeat the many other things being said.
Why does our society increasingly feel that is alright to behave like there are not rules at sporting events. It is becoming the wild-wild west out in stadiums and arenas across the nation. It needs to stop and people need to act like normal human beings.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 9:20 AM EST up reply actions
The crowd was well over 15,000
The third of fourth largest in coliseum history so I decreased the number figuring in about 400 or so pitt fans
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 9:21 AM EST up reply actions
Nothing new.
My brother went to Pitt and texted me last night that our fans were “classless”. I agree, last night we were classless, but people need to realize that when you get thousands of 18-23 years olds together, and add an intense rivalry, sometimes mob rule will ensue. Am I advocating this behavior? NO. It makes me embarrassed to admit to being a Mountaineer. However, this behavior is nothing new. I have been to COUNTLESS games, in Morgantown or otherwise, where objects are thrown onto the field of play. At Cornell hockey games, before the start of every game, the student section throws their newspapers onto the ice after the opposing teams starting lines are announced. LITERALLY BEFORE EVERY GAME. The University allows this to happen as acceptable behavior, but no one ever says anything about it. All of these types of events, fights in the stands, out-of-control obnoxious, vulgar, drunks, are major issues in all sports. It just hurts me that our University is becoming the poster child for this behavior. I will always be PROUD to be a Mountaineer, but it is hard to back up our fanbase when they act like this…
SIDENOTE:
Did anyone hear Mark Adams (or whatever his name is, the color guy on the BE network) basically have a psychotic episode last night when the Pitt assistant was hit in the face with the ice/coin/? I understand he was trying to make a point, but be a little bit more professional. He was screaming into the mic and sounded like he was going to cry! That’s why you are a commentator for the BE network and nothing more. Loser.
He went crazy and I thought it was appropriate.
I was out of my mind mad at our fans too.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Feb 4, 2010 9:24 AM EST up reply actions
That Adams dude and the officials
Was Mr. Adams out of his mind? Heck Yeah.
Was his level of annoying antics and reaction over the top? Definitely.
I agree with him that it was uncalled for, classless, etc.. But he really took it to a level that didn’t need to be taken to. Maybe he is going to use that bit of tape to send as part of his reel so he can be a commentator in the WWE.
In fact, he was about over the top on that as they were about the tussle under the basket. I am glad that they finally got that sorted out., but I needed another 5 minutes from them to sort it out. See during that break I slaughtered and butchered a cow, made my steaks, grew the potatos that I baked, started a beard, beckoned a hot whench as she neared, took a nap, wrote a rap, ate some cheese, molded some keys, read a book, at porn I took a look, ran a race, created a hand made wooden case, dranks some beers, and cheered on my Mountaineers.
I’d also like to say our student representative and his long post above is totally whack! Grow up, man up and take some responsibility. We have a passionate fan base, but we don’t need to constantly keep adding to a negative rep (partially earned, partially grown out of legend and myth). Hit the books my friend, and go back and cheer on this quality team. Just keep your hands in your pocket and your curse words to yourself.
by BurghMountaineer on Feb 4, 2010 9:57 AM EST up reply actions
Burgh...
I’m with you…
5th year I was pissed too…
I thought Adams tried to bring that little scuffle under the basket to another level! At one point he tried to convince the viewing audience that Flowers tried to throw a punch!! GET OUT OF HERE MARK!!! That under the basket stuff was just good, hard, Big East, rivalry basketball. I would go as far as saying that the T’s probably weren’t necessary… It just seemed like Adams was aggitated the entire game, maybe the student section got on him about his coaching career? Who knows? I thought he was out of line.
LOL....
did you assist in writing the princess bride? funny stuff.
by cabincreekzeke on Feb 4, 2010 10:14 AM EST up reply actions
Nope.
Co-wrote “Maid in Manhattan” though.
The T's
I was told were the “first people” to enter the scrum, that weren’t a part of it.
So I can let those slide, if that’s the case.
by BurghMountaineer on Feb 4, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions
It was his first...
Adams said on multiple occasions that this was his first Backyard Brawl, so he wasn’t really prepared. He even said, "I didn’t know about the intensity of this rivalry
by Oregon Mountaineer on Feb 4, 2010 1:06 PM EST up reply actions
Appropriate-ness....
…is determined by each individual. I know as a young kid, I sat in the Coliseum with my Dad, heard the students chant words I wasn’t allowed to use at home and it never affected me adversely in any way. Dad let me know what was right and wrong, but all in all, no damage done. I think whatever is ‘offensive’ is a pretty intangible thing, so let’s not bother debating it.
The line is physicality. Bullying opposing fans, throwing things, etc. can’t be tolerated. Anything that is simply “said” can’t do much damage to anybody or anything, so there’s no reason debating it.
Totally agree. I have no problem with the chants or the heckles, but someone caught throwing something should be ejected and banned for years.
by The Double U on Feb 4, 2010 10:08 AM EST up reply actions
I can appreciate the “rules? there are no rules” attitude and I sometimes still curse like the Fleet sailor I once was (every fucking other goddamn word), but come on. Try this:
Take a dozen of your good buddies down to the Mountaineer Mall and start chanting Fuck You, Suck Me for a few minutes. What do you think will happen? And, why should it be different because you’re sitting in the Coliseum?
If this keeps up, how many more national TV broadcasts do think we’ll get, even if we were ranked #1?
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the wheel." - Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 4, 2010 10:26 AM EST up reply actions
This has been going on for twenty years and we’re still getting TV broadcasts. Honestly, how the hell can people be shocked by the recent chants? They haven’t changed at all since we were playing in the A-10!
(And you’re seriously dating yourself with the Mountaineer Mall reference. Mountaineer Mall practically vacant. You could bring a dozen friends and chant anything you wanted while sacrificing virgins and no one would notice. The “new” mall is Morgantown Mall, which is only 15 years old…)
by The Double U on Feb 4, 2010 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
The chants may not have changed
but the times have. There are a lot more people out there who compalin to the broadcasters and the FCC.
And yes, I’m an old fart. I don’t think Mountaineer Mall was open when I finished in 1981. I saw that it was still there when the wife and I were through town a couple of years ago.
"There's an angel on my shoulder, but the devil's at the wheel." - Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Feb 4, 2010 11:28 AM EST up reply actions
I would like to say...........GET OVER IT!
Can we talk about how bad ass we are as a basketball team?! We looked really good last night! I’m extremely excited about KaLEECHla, and the way he and Ebanks played together. Truck picked us up when we needed it at the beginning of the second half. DAY is the da man, he’s definately one of the best players in the league. That was the best total game we’ve played so far. I love smacking the fuck out of Pitt!
Question
Do you think that the what the students say is overheard more at WVU games because of the placement of the TV play-by-play folks?
They are right in front of the student section.
Do you think that other student sections say similar things but we just don’t hear it because of the proximity to the microphones?
Also, I don’t really have a problem with the occasional obscenity, it’s the chants that bug me. Also anything to do with race, color, creed, sexual orientation should be off the table. If you have an affair and then get blackmailed, I think that chant is OK, if you can’t pass your classes, or steal something, or have herpes I think those are ok.
I guess you’re right aaronhawley, appropriateness is determined by the individual. Just for the record, when I take me daughter to games in the future, we will attempt to sit as far away from the student section as possible.
One last thing…hitting someone with a coin (any coin) from 100+ ft is impressive even if completely uncalled for.
by Oregon Mountaineer on Feb 4, 2010 1:13 PM EST reply actions
Fifth Alluded To It In Post's Title...
…but the real shame is that a dominant effort by the team has been overshadowed by the moronic shenanigans of a few disgraceful fans. Every single ESPN anchor has condemned our entire fan base with tone and words, and that upsets me, because I believe a substantial majority of our fans cheer in a positive way.
I revert to what I know of the law: no use of language can ever be cited as a reason for physical violence. If someone stands in your face and calls you every name in the book, that is within his rights, but if you hit him in the jaw, you go to jail. I think the same thing applies here…jeering the other team from the stands, even if it is profane, is within the rights of the fans. But throwing something on to the floor moves the threat from passive to active, and that just cannot be tolerated.
As I have stated elsewhere, I don’t care for obscene cheers, either. I think they show an immense lack of creativity, and don’t make much of a difference anyhow…players are better able to tune them out.
What I find odd, though, is that when this brouhaha started, we were up 12 and in control, which I think lends credence to the above assertion that it might indeed have been a Pitt fan targeting a ref, rather than an irate Mountaineer.
As for the game, I think the Kilucli ups the ante for us big time. This is an elite 8 team, and for all this talk about us being classless, let’s just see how classy Pitt’s fans act when we whip their ass on their home floor in a couple of weeks.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
THE PITTSBURGH ZOO
JUST WAITING FOR YOU…
I wonder what queer they have leading the group this year? They’ve had some classics the last couple of years.
by BurghMountaineer on Feb 4, 2010 2:00 PM EST reply actions
btw
the above title and first line was a commercial for the zoo years ago, by some old dude that I can’t remember (and don’t feel like google searching for) who had some gravely voice.
My kids enjoy the zoo there, but if my kids ever join the Pitt Zoo, I’ll do more than disown them. But I got 15 years so no worries here.
by BurghMountaineer on Feb 4, 2010 2:02 PM EST up reply actions
Fanshawe
The only way pitt could overshadow our epic effort at embarrassing ourselves is to brandish firearms. If I know one thing about Pitt students(and I know at least a dozen people who go there, many of whom I grew up with), they will take this as an opportunity to further demonstrate how low we have fallen. They will not stoop to the level we have fallen to, in an effort to display their more superiority, their bullshit sense of self righteousness, and their high level of sophistication in their own minds. They will take the “high road”, and we will look even worse because of it.
I’ve already gotten between 20-25 text messages and facebook messages from people in the area. One thing I know for sure is that they have no intention of doing us a favor and joining us in the gutter.
You May Be Right...
…but the thing is, I am sure they have just as many drunken bad-apples as we do. There were 15,000 people there last night…how many things were thrown? One, two…three? I think you might be a little over the top when you describe the actions of those few imbeciles as an “epic effort at embarrassing ourselves.” Granted, not a moment of which to be proud, but not one that makes me think the whole fanbase needs to be censured.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
I agree with you 100%
That the actions of a few should not represent the overwhelming majority. However, I feel that in this situation perception is reality and even though only 2 or 3 people are responsible, ALL of us will be castigated in the national news as we already have been on ESPN, Sports Center, and MSNBC. This is why I feel strongly the university has to take quick decisive action to prevent this from reoccurring. While I watched sports center this morning the actual game play was hardly even mentioned. Doug Gottleib commented that we have to stop this, and his co-host made a remark about how we are uncivilized. Yes, you are right. There were 15,000 people and all of them SHOULDN’T be put in the same lump, but we both know that all of them WILL be.
It Is A Sad Fact...
…that we will be judged by the actions of the worst among us. And since we have a history of this sort of thing, it leads to a piling on, of sorts, in the media.
I just don’t know what action the university could take that would have an effect, short of something punitive that would affect a whole bunch of people that were innocent.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.

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