TSM Coaching Approval Meter (Post-Rutgers, 2010)
by Dr. Charley West on Dec 9, 2010 1:02 PM EST
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PrintAll Bill Stewart does is win nine football games.
Now, the prior statement is a very glass half full/empty scenario. Is nine games enough? Ten is, of course, better, but is the prospect of below nine not worth it?
With the bowl game in Orlando, he'll have the chance to go where no Bill Stewart team has gone before and win ten games. But, then again, he had that chance last year and failed.
Still, before we get to that point, we must judge him and the staff on the job currently being done. What is that job, exactly? Again, even though the nine wins is fact, there is a lot of subjective discussion about what those nine wins really mean.
So, before you do anything else today -- unless of course you must really use the restroom -- please vote on your satisfaction with Bill Stewart & Co. as well as leave your longer opinion in the comments. Do your civic responsibility proud and go vote.
Last Week: 40.2%
Season Average: 33.1%
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by Dr. Charley West on Dec 9, 2010 1:07 PM EST reply actions
Yes
Our defense is number 2 overall in the nation. Our offense put some points on the board the final few games of the season and we are ranked in the top 25.
We should’ve been better this year, but 9-3 is not the tragedy everyone thinks it is.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
No, but...
for the first time I have had sustained optimism that perhaps, we’re finally heading in the right direction. There are still issues (fumbles, some overall game-flow), and Rutgers were looking for the locker-room around 12:40 last saturday afternoon and were completely uninterested in being there.
But you play what who you play, and with that said, a couple of impressive showings, as one of Stew’s probably harshest critics, I’m turning the burner under his butt down a notch or two.
Yes
When the going got tough, the team stepped up and went 4-0 to finish the season. That’s a better record than quite a few on here thought would happen. You have to give Bill Stewart some of the credit for that.
I agree with the above, 9-3 is record a lot of teams would love to have. Sure it’s below what we were hoping, but it’s not the end of the world.
by BurghMountaineer on Dec 9, 2010 1:29 PM EST reply actions
Yes.
Perhaps the most maddening thing about Stew is that he does just enough to get by. Is he turning into Tommy Bowden? Maybe. Here’s to hoping he can get over the hump and win that elusive 10th game this year.
If this vote were about his press conference skills...
I would vote no.
He instills no confidence about his program during his press conferences. He REALLY REALLY needs to improve on his speaking. Luckily, he can give bad interview and still win football games.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
No.......
Because we sent a total piece of shit to the BCS as the BE rep and have no one to blame but ourselves. Also until I see this offense play up to fairly high level consistently (read: not like throwing darts in a pitch black room) then I am still going to be no. Aside from the offensive woes HCBS real issue is an image one. He really needs to work on it, he should command respect but does so many things that really turn people off. As for a 9-3 record, it is respectable, and gets him some props from me but the simple fact we aren’t going to the BCS is not something that can be overlooked.
I'm crazy busy and I vote No!
but man do I have lots of things to say (when I get a chance).
I will leave it brief at this time. I am truly convinced that many on this blog are either within the AD or very close to WVU’s AD. It is astonishing to hear the responses to the sampling of people I speak w/ about WVU football. The shear number of people, similarities in response upon asking opinions of the program etc. make me wonder if this blog is connected to the program in some form or fashion.
The difference from this blog and the cross section of those I speak with is simply staggering.
That might be a reflection of who you talk to more than the people on this blog. I like to live in my own little echo chambers but sometimes it’s good to get out and see what the sun looks like.
Plus, I’m contrarian so if I think you are a little too far one way I’ll take the opposite side just on principle.
One last thing, wouldn’t it be AWESOME if someone on this blog WAS in the AD’s office, hell ADOL himself might post for all I know but that way we could be the first to get all the dirt. Because as we know in our instant gratification media culture it’s more important to be first than to be correct.
"Thus, it is with those nurtured in Appalachia—they leave, but they look back, remembering pleasant things. The land has claimed them, and its ties will not be severed." --Maurice Brooks
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Dec 9, 2010 6:15 PM EST up reply actions
I voted...Yes
It’s been said, but I wanted to add my friend a USC (South Carolina) alum was pissing his pants he was so happy that they got they’re second 9 win season…EVER!
I’m just as disappointed as the next guy about what this season could have been but a 9 and possible 10 win season is nothing to sneeze at. If we continue in the bowl and throughout next season to play like we have in the last 4 games of the season. I think the skies the limit.
Like I said other places, if Mullen gets taken off our hands is hired away I’m not going to lose sleep over it.
"Thus, it is with those nurtured in Appalachia—they leave, but they look back, remembering pleasant things. The land has claimed them, and its ties will not be severed." --Maurice Brooks
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Dec 9, 2010 6:21 PM EST reply actions
REALLY?
I wouldn’t compare a 9-3 season in the SEC with a 9-3 season in the Big East (this year).
by pucker huffman on Dec 9, 2010 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not comparing the records this year
I’m comparing the expectations. They won 9 games they’ve done it twice…ever. They are ecstatic We won 9 games (so far) that’s six straight. We want our coach to burn in hell for ever.
That was my point. Our expectations are different
"Thus, it is with those nurtured in Appalachia—they leave, but they look back, remembering pleasant things. The land has claimed them, and its ties will not be severed." --Maurice Brooks
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Dec 10, 2010 12:34 PM EST up reply actions
If WVU were in the SEC, 9 wins would be on the high end of my expectations each year. I would set them at 8.5.
However, WVU is not in the SEC. It is in the crummy Big East. Over the last three years, the baseline for expectations, including bowl game should have been 10.5 wins.
Stewart is 0-3 there.
If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle
"Thus, it is with those nurtured in Appalachia—they leave, but they look back, remembering pleasant things. The land has claimed them, and its ties will not be severed." --Maurice Brooks
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Dec 11, 2010 5:13 PM EST up reply actions
Yes....
Consider that we really could have folded. And didn’t.
I still desire a change in the offensive staff, but 9-3 will never be a bad regular-season in my book, regardless of whether or not any of those three losses might, or should, have been wins. But then, I come from a different era….in 1984 we were 7-1 and had just ended the long drought against Penn State. All we had left on the schedule were Virginia, Rutgers, and Temple and had ascended to 12th in a year when BYU wound up netting a title by beating a 6-5 Michigan squad in the Holiday Bowl. Those were the first visions of a national title I remember having. Of course, we dropped all three and were left having to thump TCU in the Bluebonnet Bowl as consolation. I would argue that the feeling of losing those three games, although bitter, doesn’t equate to the frustration, or possible lost opportunity, felt with these three. But this year feels better, if only because we won four straight to close when the wheels might have come off, and I think any reasonable person has to give the staff, and the head coach, some serious credit for that.
Also, when all else fails and the miserable results one was hoping for don’t come to fruition….well, that is when it is time to go all conspiracy theory! I got taken into the inner santcum of this blog this year, and got to find out who everybody is, and the fascinating jobs they perform for their livelihoods. No one works in the AD department. So, unless it is me….that myth is BUSTED!
By the way, I am in the athletic department….of a Little League.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
I voted yes
because EVERY college team loses to someone they shouldn’t in the course of the year, unless you are having a very special year and end up in or around the NC game…and that is usually with a little luck. The losses are disappointing and I was very concerned with two in a row, but the turnaround at the end of the season is strictly on the coach and they did all they could do in the end. I also look at the big picture and it’s nice to have a respectable man representing us as a state and to cheer players who I am genuinely proud to cheer. To the poster who said this blog doesn’t represent the average fan, I’ve said on other blogs that I don’t know who some of those folks are hanging out with, but all of my friends/family support Stew and crew. The super vocal ones calling for heads do not represent the whole Mountaineer Nation.
You’re right about every college team losing a game every year. It’s not necessarily always someone they shouldn’t lose to, but it typically is. Look at Pitt in 2007, it happens, I get that. The problem with Stewart is that is happens 3 and 4 times a year instead of once.
Also, look at the number of people who voted no, and then look at how more “yes” people felt compelled to comment compared to “no” people. The super vocal ones are Stew supporters. Save for me and Columbus.
"Compelled To Comment"
Actually I think the request of the poster is to “leave an opinion in the comments” e.g. delineate your thought processes.
I think that a four-game winning streak, and a throttling of your bitter rival, merit a higher number than 33 percent. That number is ridiculous and just speaks to how insufferably spoiled the base is. You do know that you can be punished by getting what you ask for? Who is to say that whatever name that comes in can’t even meet Stewart’s “weak” record? Go ask Louisville…or even better example…go ask Syracuse. You don’t think after five years of Robinson they weren’t pining for the days of Pasqualoni, and saying to themselves: “what the hell were we so pissed about? Why did we run him out of town, again?”
Ego can bring a program down. And it must really piss people off that, lost BCS bid aside, Stewart is on the verge of having his best season….
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
by JP Fanshawe on Dec 10, 2010 10:00 AM EST up reply actions
No, I’m pissed that Stewart didn’t have his best season with the schedule WVU played.
Also, start to take a look around at the future of the program. 7 kids from this years class didn’t make it. Including two of the top recruits- Long and Brunetti. There is now a situation at quarterback. Recruiting is going not so well.
So there are plenty of things, just outside of record, that you can vote no for.
Haven't we learned our lesson by now?
When it comes to recruiting and players panning out, results need to be judged in hindsight. So what if some of our recruits didn’t make it in, or ended up leaving? The fact of the matter is that nobody has any idea whether things would have turned out differently if those players stuck around. And how often did that happen under RR? Answer: every year and to every big recruit. How do you know how well recruiting is going? Do you know that the players we have verbals from won’t turn out to be good collegiate players? Or that we aren’t in on other players who have more stars next to their name? No, you don’t. So if you’re judging our coach based on players who have never even played for WVU, IMO you need to re-evaluate your criteria and focus on the actual results, instead of what may or may not have happened with some recruits.
by Country Roads on Dec 11, 2010 12:38 PM EST up reply actions
It’s Stew that always harps on how he signed “the only two top 25 recruiting classes in school history.” Yet, almost all the players that afforded the ranking to the classes are already gone. So in hindsight, they were not good classes.
"So in hindsight, they were not good classes."
Okay, first of all, I’m not going to defend Stew for spouting off about the recruiting rankings of his classes. To me, those rankings are nothing but a way to get fans to pay money for a chance brag or complain about how their favorite team is doing. If I’m up there giving the press conference, I’m going to say something like “We’re really excited about these kids. We evaluated them individually and think they have a chance to be outstanding players for us. I’m happy that the recruiting services happen to agree with us on that.”
As to your argument about them “not being good classes” – based on what? Out of the 2009 class, I count 10 out of 25 who (in their second year in the program, mind you) are already starters or solid contributors. Out of the 2010 class, I count 3 players who earned playing time as true freshman. And relative to how many players out of our other classes achieve those distinctions in that amount of time, it seems about right on par, at least at this point. So without seeing how the classes as a whole pan out over their career, I’m not sure how you can say much of anything about them not being good.
by Country Roads on Dec 13, 2010 11:44 AM EST up reply actions
an aberration
that needs to be deleted from fan’s vocabularies. Red Sox started it and fine, call their fans that. Everybody else is a lemming using it and I for one, hate it.
Mountaineer Nation
You know, I think that’s the first time I ever used that and don’t really know where it came from. Given your response, I’ll gladly remove it from future posts.
Regarding the fan base and the 33% vs. 66% showing here, I can only speak to what I know. I am in my mid-40s and my family/friends who are serious WVU fans are the same age or older. I can guarantee that I am the only one of 20 or so of them who voted here. They spend little time on the computer and do not read blogs on WVU football, much less post on them. They are still devout WVU fans. I may be wrong, but I suspect a lot of the over-40 crowd support Stew. You gain a little added perspective with age and maybe you mellow. I’m sure he doesn’t have 100% (perhaps not even 80%) or any one demographic but I doubt that the 33/66 numbers reflect the whole WVU fan base.
Unfortunately, in this age of instant communications and social network media, things can easily blow up and out of proportion quickly.
Reminds me of the comments I used to hear in the 1920’s: In this age of flying machines and motor carriages, young people these days don’t understand the value of patience or hard work.
Next to no one thinks Bill Stewart is a top of the line coach. They merely think the risk of replacing him is greater than the risk of keeping him.
Next to no one thinks Bill Stewart is a top of the line coach. They merely think the risk of replacing him is greater than the risk of keeping him.
Succinctly put. But I would say that a lot of my opinion would center on whether or not he would choose to make changes on the offensive side of the ball in the offseason. If none were made, 10-win season or not, I would find it hard to take. I think Stewart has earned a fourth year. I can’t say that for Mullen.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
wasn't necessarily directed at you
just that the whole “______ Nation” thing is a major pet peeve of mine
Why Does It Bug You?
I think it is pretty innocuous, and oddly fitting, because our fanbase is kind of spread all over the place from years of declining population. I don’t personally use the phrase, but it doesn’t bother me.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
most likely
because it started with the Red Sox and it spread from there. I honestly blame Erin Andrews for this one.
Yankees apologist
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 10, 2010 4:12 PM EST up reply actions
but,
I don’t mind that Red Sox use it, it’s the copy cats everywhere. Kinda like the Braves stealing the tomahawk chop from Florida State and yes that’s another dig at 5YS, :-)
As a diehard Sox fan,
I don’t mind the way every team has adopted “________ nation”, but I do take serious offense to Pitt’s use of Sweet Caroline. Most of those illiterate shits actually think it is their tradition. Their fanbase is so uninspired and uneducated that it shouldn’t bother me, but it does. BTW, I voted no again. Although I desperately want Stew to resign tomorrow, I don’t think he can be forced out if we win in Orlando. Another embarrassing loss and its a different story. I’ll never be happy being second place in a conference that has ZERO ranked teams other than us. I’m simply astounded at how many people tout Stew’s record as a reason to keep him. 9 wins against the weak sisters of the poor means nothing. The fact that the program is going backwards is almost inarguable. What are reasonable expectations for Stew if he returns next season. If this year is “OK”, no one can think we will be better in 2011 with the losses on defense… Is 7 wins “OK” from you Stew supportes in 2011?
Who Has Ever Said That 7 Wins Would Be "OK?"
Nobody. And why is it always about factions? “Negative” guys with lofty expectations versus “positive” guys who hope for the best and use numbers to make arguments (damn pesky numbers)…etc. Stew is the head coach of the program, and I support the program. And I don’t think a great many of us so-called “supporters” of Stewart have been all that kind to him this year.
Had he lost another game in the regular season and I am pretty sure that would have been the end of his tenure.
The Big East may be down, but, as usual, it is not as bad as it seems…I have a post about this coming Sunday. For the record: the “weak sisters of the poor” play in the WAC, Conference USA, and the Sun Belt. Also, how many ranked teams are in the ACC? Exactly two. I’m telling you, the ACC is worse than the Big East, but is helped, mathematically by the fact that it has four more teams, which has a levelling effect in most rating systems.
Also, I was shocked by Pitt’s use of Sweet Caroline….talk about having nothing of your own!
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
The best part of Pitt's use of Sweet Caroline:
Pitt fans trying to chant “Let’s Go Pitt!” being completely drowned out by WVU chanting “EAT SHIT PITT!”
As long as that keeps happening, I will continue to support Pitt’s use of the song.
by Country Roads on Dec 11, 2010 12:42 PM EST up reply actions
And WVU stole the “Ohh!!!!” in the national anthem from the Orioles. The Red Sox stole sweet caroline from Neil and every kareoke bar in the U.S. It’s a catchy tune that people like. Much like WVU isn’t the only place the YMCA is played. Now if Pitt started playing Dirty Waters, then I think you’d have a legit beef.
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