TSM Coaching Approval Meter (Post-Pitt 2010)
It's been four games since the Approval Meter broke 15%, but that certainly looks to be a streak that ends today.
It will be extremely interesting to see the progression of thoughts from the depths of Syracuse and UConn, to general indifference of Cincinnati and Louisville, to now a win over our most hated rival. Sure, Pitt was never to be confused with a world-beater, but even an ugly win over a very bad Panthers squad is probably worth 10%. What will a 25 point win over the conference leader do?
Over the past few weeks, the record has certainly spoken for itself. Awful losses, lackluster offensive performances, and generally malaise had stricken the program. But now, there seems to be a small light at the end of the tunnel. It's not enough to forget the past few weeks (or past two years, no matter how you view them), but it should make discussion a little more lively.
As for the discussion, remember: please explain your yes or no vote in the comments. If you feel strongly either way, make your case.
Last Week: 13.6%
Season Average: 32.3%
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Yes
We beat Pitt.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions
...and lost to UConn and Syracuse
Winning one battle shouldn’t make you forget the ones already lost.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 30, 2010 11:16 AM EST up reply actions
;However,
One might say pitt was the WAR
based on the Gospel according to :
Jack Fleming
If beating a 6-4 Pitt team was the war...
…then our expectations are too low.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 30, 2010 11:26 AM EST up reply actions
Now that is
Blasphemy !!!! Jack just did a back flip !!!!
I'm still no...
I said after the Syracuse game that in order to get a yes from me, we had to win out and be competative in what should have been a BCS game.
Since we lost the next game to UConn, that basically shut the door for me. But I’m a realist.
If USF can beat Uconn and we take care of business against Rutgers, then WIN the BCS game, I will give a yes to Stew (at least for 1 more year), but Mullen and DJ still need to go.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Blasphemer!
Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?
by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 30, 2010 6:27 PM EST up reply actions
+10
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
how long do i need to be a fan before i start to value the result of one game over an entire season.
i would rather lose to 4-7 pitt as a 28 point favorite with a chance to go to the national championship and go 11-2, then beat pitt and go 9-4.
You obviously don't understand the definition of a "Rivalry" then....
Are you kidding, that loss in ’07 is the worst loss in the history of the ENTIRE WVU program and it came at the hands of our biggest rival, that never goes away, 50 years from now we are still going to have to hear the “13-9” chants…… Chirst it makes me want to vomit right now…..
One game is not more important than an entire season. The Pitt game is more important than the UConn game, but the Pitt game is not more important than the other 12 combined.
And while devasting, the loss, which happened three years ago today, was devasting because we had beaten the UConn’s and Syracuse’s of the world in order to be in a position to have such a devastating loss.
Would I rather beat UConn or Pitt?
Pitt
Would I rather lose to UConn or Pitt?
Neither, but if I had to choose, I’d rather lose to Pitt because at least their our rival and I consider them a legitimate team.
Would I rather lose 3 games and beat Pitt or lose 2 games and lose to Pitt?
I would rather lose 2. I don’t like losing to anyone.
You raise good points.
Except the part preferring to lose to Pitt over UConn. I never, EVER want to lose to Pitt over anyone else. If we go 11-1, I’d rather lose to Coastal Carolina than Pitt. Now Marshall…hmm…I dunno about that one. I might pick Pitt over Marshall.
by Country Roads on Dec 1, 2010 11:58 AM EST up reply actions
You raise an interesting point about Marshall. The reason we wouldn’t want to lose to Marshall is because we’d hear about it from their small fan base, which would be annoying. As I am not from Western Pa., I’ve probably only met 2 real Pitt fans in my whole life, so the year long back and forth with other fans in the rivalry isn’t there for me. I guess that’s why I always felt VT was a bigger rivalry.
I still think changes need to be made on the staff, but...
I think a majority of the staff is doing a great job. Lockwood, Beatty, Casteel, Dunlap, Galloway, Kirelawich and Stew are coaching up the kids and getting the job done.
I’m not ignoring the negatives we have previously experienced, I am simply more pleased with the job of these coaches than I am displeased with the job of Mullen and Johnson.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 11:32 AM EST up reply actions
Prediction :
If Stew makes changes on the staff, it will only be a shuffling of the deck chairs.
The development of our back-up running backs seems to be good to me. Alston has been a powerful and effective back-up to Devine. Clarke has some extremely costly fumbles, but has run well.
Galloway has developed Austin into more than a go deep reciever. Jock is the leading receiver in our programs history. Bailey is a developing possession receiver and the same goes for Woods.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
Bailey’s and Woods’s number’s have dropped as the season has gone on, and it’s a miracle if Tavon touches the ball more than 4 times a game. Starks comes and goes and Jock’s receptions are a products of a dink and dunk passing game. We only throw for like 170/game but I am to believe we have a good QB and WR coach? I’m not saying Galloway isn’t good, but I don’t think any of the offensive staff is free from blame. Ivan McCartney hasn’t progressed at all, it would seem, and it’s hard to imagine a situation in which Tavon Austin and Jock Sanders wouldn’t be successful no matter who the coach is.
Alston wasn’t even given a chance until he was 2/3 through his sophomore year, and we probably lost some games because of it. Ryan Clarke fumbled AGAIN on the goal line against Pitt. I’m just not sold on anyone on the offensive staff.
To me...
The decreased production of our recievers is more a result of changing our offense to run first team.
39 runs – 12 passes vs. Pitt
47 – 20 vs. Louisville
59 – 25 vs. Cincy
Granted, Mullen needed to figure this out before so late in the season, but we are winning doing what you said we should do. We are winning, that is a good thing.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 3:11 PM EST up reply actions
Raw data:
Yes: 1168
No: 2452
Total: 3620
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 30, 2010 11:15 AM EST reply actions
I said yes....... but not so fast my friend.....
I still believe we need to make a change on the offensive side of the ball. We did do something intelligent against Pitt which I am still finding hard to believe, that was power running using our POWER RUNNING BACKS. If Mullen could some how remember that and turn that into a center piece for what we are trying to do that could lead to some type of idenity when we have the ball. I am being a “glass is half full” guy right now and I am not sure why, maybe I am half asleep, maybe I’ve been roofied by Jonhnson and Mullen, I don’t know…….. beating the ass off of Pitt felt really good, but no it wasn’t enough to wash the taste out of my mouth for the last few years. If we could pound everyone on the rest of our schedule the way we handled Pitt I might be inclined to go into next year with a slightly different opinion, that would have to include a drumming of a BCS quality foe though (preferably VT) and that would require UCONN to choke one off to help us……
Also doing that would create rift within me because I would be wondering “Why the hell didn’t we do that all fucking year.” Ohh this team has me so screwed up right now, you never know who is going to show up from week to week or what to expect. A change now to the HC would be stupid, we aren’t Bama or Texas or a OSU, we don’t have infinite reserves of cash. Look at the “U” the have to pay shannon and really won’t beable to lay out a ton of money for a new coach, they are broke, so much for moving to the ACC where the streets are paved with gold….. morons, reap what you sow.
this is a different way to say what I said to Country Roads earlier (I believe during the Louisville game)
The way I put it was this:
The offense, on any given play, is equally capable of awesomeness or lameassery.
The difference between good offenses and bad offenses is consistency. Everyone is going to score some points.
Not everyone.
Some offenses just plain suck. The difference between good offenses and mediocre offenses is consistency.
by Country Roads on Nov 30, 2010 2:52 PM EST up reply actions
WHAT?
If 69 is all you can get, you better take it.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
I'm with you.
The offense is like a sugar high. You get really excited, but you know you are going to crash and regret stuffing yourself with Twizzlers and Mountain Dew.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 11:38 AM EST up reply actions
No...
A bright spot against a team that lost to proven-to-be bad Utah team, bad Miami team, and also lost to the same UConn team we lost to.
We’re also sporting losses this year to Syracuse, an anemic performance on the road in a night game at LSU that was certainly winnable, and a ‘pull it outta our asses’ OT game with Marshall…
Its been an pretty ugly season, compounded by confusion, lack of an identity week to week, lack of any common sense or ability to calm the fans in press conferences, and constant "I’ll have to look at the tape’ when the staff is asked about any play post-game.
YES
This week is a YES for me. I loved beating the tar out of Pitt at their place. That was the most complete game we’ve played in some time. We are also in position to win a share of the BE title (yawn!) and, with help, go to a BCS bowl. I’m not saying we have had a great season, or even lived up to our potential, but any season in which you go to a BCS bowl has to be considered a success in my book.
That being said, I am still frustrated with our offense and I am on board with those who think changes need to be made. The most frustrating thing about our offense is, as WVUIE put it, we’re equally capable of awesomeness and lameassery on any given play. Often times on consecutive plays. If I didn’t see signs of life from time to time, it would be a lot easier to just write off Mullen and move on. But no, he’s like that schizophrenic girlfriend you had in undergrad who would buy you presents one day, start a fight that night for no reason, give amazing make-up head, then go get drunk with her friends and make out with some random dude on the dance floor at Club Z. Eventually you just had to kick her to the curb but the head really was enjoyable sometimes.
It was harder to vote, but
I still said no. If we can keep playing at this level then maybe I will start voting yes. Consistency of excellence is what I want to see, not consistency of mediocrity.
I hope the hell UConn chokes, and we whip Rutgers cause I wanna go to a BCS bowl.
Consistency (on offense)
THANK YOU! This is all I’ve looked for from this team. Give me the same effort and gameplan so it looks like we’re doing more than drawing plays from a hat or the “Ask Corso” function in NCAA ’11. Its not against the rules to score as many points as possible. 14-10 wins cut it too close for a team as “talented” as these guys are supposed to be.
Talented
Exactly right. How does a team with this much talent not put up bigger numbers? My guess sub-par coaching.
by TCfromDubVee on Nov 30, 2010 1:50 PM EST up reply actions
Yes
I have to vote yes. The record isn’t what I had hoped for, and the offense has been difficult to support in the past, however, it seems like the team is working better together, and rallying around each other. The victory over Pitt was a solid full team performance. And they did show in the second half, more than the first, that WVU has an offense.
The N.C. goal is out of reach, but with help a BCS berth and the Big East title are still options, as is a 10 win season.
I do think a shake up of the staff is needed at year end.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 30, 2010 1:14 PM EST reply actions
I like the way we are headed
I like how we did a total team evaluation and started more of a power game, but I had to vote a no because of how long it took for the staff to realize it needed to make a change. With Noel getting hurt against LSU we should have started using Clarke and Alston more. But it was like we were obligated to give Noel the ball. I know he stuck around for another year but you don’t waste a season on trying to make your offense go around one particular guy, especially one that is injured. But they can move me over to a yes if we keep the mentality of the Pitt game from here on out.
by ShadyMountaineer on Nov 30, 2010 1:21 PM EST reply actions
I find it curious that they only give Noel the ball out of the ACE or as the single set back in the Shotgun, but they always give the bigger Alston a lead blocker.
This A LOT.
A guy like Devine is always one defender away from busting a huge play. That lead blocker would help to bust open those huge plays. This is one of the many reasons I vote no.
by TCfromDubVee on Nov 30, 2010 1:49 PM EST up reply actions
Its a soft yes for me
hopefully we come out and throw the ball down the field, because when we do it works.
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It appears WVU is in a no win situation with some fans
We win, it is either not by enough points or we should have beaten that crappy team so I give them no credit. Every win is necessary to accomplish the teams goal. You can improve after every game no matter what.
We lose and everyone should be fired.
Just give some credit when your team does well. It is pretty awesome to be happy about beating your rival!
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 3:07 PM EST reply actions
for me its not about points
at least not entirely… its about the overall product, effort, and direction. Its perfectly fine to win 4 or 7, when those wins inspire confidence or are against quality opponents (noone would complain if we beat LSU by a game-ending FG).
But its the consistent playing-down to our competition that i think riles us up so much. This Pitt game was the first meaningful time (no, you cant count UNLV) that our team didn’t dick around and actually took care of business. We played down to Coastal for far too long, down to Marshall, down to UConn, down to (an albeit improving) Syracuse and Cardinals squads.
We’re better than what we’ve shown, or at least, that’s the overall estimation. If that’s the case, then every game we play in this pitiful conference should go exactly like friday’s game did. And it hasn’t. It hasn’t for 3 years now. These games have become rarities with the excuse of how tough our competition is. “Its a black and blue league” is a joke of an excuse. Noel’s foot is a poor excuse. Geno being a RS Sophomore is a poor excuse.
We get more excuses than answers when things go wrong. If we play bad, dissect what went wrong and admit it and correct it. Don’t blame an uncalled tackle out of bounds in week 5 for a loss 4 weeks later because you still don’t have a clue how to replace that production.
by beckett929 on Nov 30, 2010 3:22 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
very well stated arguement!
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
I agree with most of what you said.
I assume you meant to say "It is perfectly fine to win “by” 4 or 7" because I would take 9 wins a season over 4 any day of the week.
Anyway, you and others talk about our overall product on the field. I would argue that you are not looking at our “overall product.” Your just focusing on our offense. Our offense is not consistent enough for some staff members to retain their jobs, but our D is top 5 in the nation and our special teams has played well other than Peterson’s return.
As I’ve said before, I’m frustrated as hell with our offense, but I think we have more good coaches than bad.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 3:53 PM EST up reply actions
Special Teams
have been pretty bad, actually. Field goals have been a disaster and both return units are consistently poor. We have improved in kickoff coverage, though and the punt team does fine – although I don’t know how we haven’t had one blocked with as many close calls as we’ve had.
by Beamer'sGoiter on Nov 30, 2010 6:08 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
We’re better than what we’ve shown, or at least, that’s the overall estimation. If that’s the case, then every game we play in this pitiful conference should go exactly like friday’s game did.
That’s a little bit of an exaggeration. Every game hasn’t gone that way, because a lot of our opponents haven’t spotted us a major advantage in turnover margin. In fact, the opposite has been true, in just about all of our losses. And again, what is with the constant bashing of the conference? I don’t care what conference any team plays in, there are games that teams lose, or struggle in. There are a litany of such contests every year. Virginia Tech has a BCS shot with a loss to JMU, Iowa State over Texas…just to name two what-the-F*%$ games. And, I think it has been forgotten that the Big East had seven-of-eight teams with first-year starters at QB. That makes a huge difference.
And I don’t agree with you about “excuses.” Are you saying that any of the reasons you stated aren’t valid factors in the struggles we have had? Noel wouldn’t have been better if he were uninjured? That Syracuse didn’t just outhit us to beat us? That Geno won’t be improved with more starts under his belt?
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Negative turnover margin
is a sign of poor coaching IMO. For every VT, there is an Auburn or Oregon that doesn’t lose to offset your point. The Big Least is a laughing stock and I don’t see how anyone can think otherwise. Aside from “the world hates WV” argument (ridiculous), how do you explain that EVERY national media outlet ranks the BE dead ass last? The best ooc win is against a Miami team who fired their coach the day after the season ended.
BTW
I voted No. If we win out (BCS or non BCS bowl), I will change my vote. We need a shakeup on the offensive side of the ball though…
I Don't Care About What Any National Media Outlet Thinks....
but the Big East is just not that bad. Post forthcoming on just this point…but I am waiting for this last weekend. The Big East is still the sixth-best conference, in several analyses….“dead-ass” last perhaps, but dead ass-last of the conferences deserving an Automatic bid. I actually think that the ACC is going to win the worst-conference award (a reason, I really hope we get VT in a bowl game….incidentally, they lose to Boise, and JMU, and then get in their conference schedule and win 9-straight?…hmmmm).
I do agree that turnover margin is indicative of coaching inadequacy…and that the offensive side of things might need a change. I am, however, reserving judgement until the whole body of work is complete.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Good thing the BCS committee doesn't make decisions based on one year
The Big East is down this year, no doubt about it. However, historically the Big East has performed much better than the Big 10 and the ACC in BCS bowls.
The ACC has 12 schools and this will be the first year in a while its champion will be ranked ahead of the Big East’s.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 9:15 PM EST up reply actions
If your wife cheats on you a couple times
but then cooks you a great dinner, is all forgiven? That’s kind of where I am with Stew. I root for the team to win, but WVU goes from being 1 game away from an NC, and all of the sudden I’ m supposed to be happy about maybe backing into a BCS game three years later? I think he did a good job last week, and it was his best game while HC at WVU. I also realize that my opinion differs from yours, and we are both entitled to our opinions. I think it appears that some fans only focus on micro view and overlook the macro view…..
by hilltoppeer on Nov 30, 2010 10:02 PM EST up reply actions
Good Point...
..but consider how many teams have made the BCS each year since 2007? Ohio State: 3 times, Cincy, Florida, Texas, Alabama, USC, Va. Tech, and Oklahoma twice. Hell, Illinois went in 2007 and how have they been since? I think anytime you get close to the BCS, you should be happy about it. And I don’t think it is fair to characterize it as “backing in” when the team has to win on the field to ensure that it has a chance. To me, backing in means you lost on the last weekend, and somebody else did to, so you win.
Stats above were pulled from here: http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5528971.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Make That Link...
this one:
http://www.bcsfootball.org/news/story?id=5528971
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
When you have the most talent in conference
and you need a team that got crushed by Temple to lose in the last week to get in, I think that’s backing in, but I can see where you’re coming from as well.
NO
Based on the body of work. Losses to Syracuse and UConn, one a homecoming game, did it for me.
Clock management , no improvement since the Colorado game in Boulder.
Arm Crossing: . He sticks his hands under his pits . like Mary Catherine Gallagher.
KEN
We have all noticed the MCG thing.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 3:54 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah....
…which isn’t a valid criticism. Saban did the same thing against Auburn….perhaps that is why they blew a 24-point lead?
I know for a fact that I would be the subject of intense ridicule were I squinting into the sun on the sidelines, and it wouldn’t have anything to do with my ability. It would simply indicate that ours is a rude, and cruel society, made more-so by the invention of forums where people can anonymously say rude and cruel things. I would would wager not one of us would go up to Stew in a bar and ask or say anything about how he folds his arms.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
lol
Yep…and I sometime’s wear a photographer’s vest while working…they are sleeveless!
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Yes....
We beat a hated rival by 25, on the road, and let’s not forget that Pitt had a lot to play for…they controlled their own destiny and could not match our level of play. To me, that is indicative of the team being properly prepared.
Of course, I am still a little concerned about the offense…5YS makes a good point that we are still a run-first team, it’s just a power-run, and I am still of the mind that we should be a pass-happy pro-set offense, with wrinkles of the spread, and power-I mixed in. (That’s my Tecmo Bowl analysis…). Regarding my concern: we did net 14 quick points off of about 44 yards of offense (our first drive had to go just 2 yards), and also some 3-and-out first-half drives left us in a major hole with regard to time-of-possession…those are negatives for the O, but also point to just how dominant our defense was in the game…
I spent Thanksgiving in Wisconsin at my in-laws (which had worried me, since I had only watched a WVU-Pitt game there once previously where the Mountaineers won) and I noticed, being a husband who has had to adopt the Green Bay Packers, that the Pack runs the ball with about the same efficiency as the Mountaineers – 3 carries for less than 3, and the maybe 1 carry for a first down, and yet the offense is incredibly prolific, because the attempt to run is all that matters, since it is based on play-action. I wish the Mountaineers would lean that way…of course, now there are only two games left. Here’s hoping we win both!
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
still no
This is the first game we won the second half since i don’t know when. This mereley reflects that Wanny and Pitt are that bad. I sat and watched the game live wondering why we don’t get our guys in space becasue it is obvious we are faster. Then I wonder why not run right at them if they can’t stop it. while i am thinking these things we are running bs reserves and the slowest devloping running plays on record. Then i thought if we are fasster why not give geno the time and have tavon run out the coverage. I almost voted yes because we did those things in the second half but i am still scarred from marshall, syracuse, and uconn games. HCBS if you are reading this do the right thing and retire after the year and ride off into the sunset before we get a posse together and run you out of town.
Big East Conference football means only one thing -- We are closer to Big East Conference Basketball.
by cleveland sucks on Nov 30, 2010 4:01 PM EST reply actions
Still abstaining
I can’t vote and I’m torn. I REALLY like the use of Alston as a big back with a little speed. That seems to me to be our future, but as has been pointed out here, none of us know what the hell we are talking about.
I’m still irritated by the what if’s of this season. What if we had gone to a more power running, play action look earlier, what if we catch the interceptions thrown in our chest, what if Lindamood doesn’t fall down and instead tackles Peterson or gets a block in the back on the return at LSU, what if we were 10-1 right now?
I think, I hope, Mullen is starting to figure out how to use what we have to be effective. I’m still a little nervous about the pass happy first halves and all run second halves. I like that Austin wants to stay outside for next year, I like the receiving corps we have coming back next year and I like that we seem to be improving as we close out the year.
I said this somewhere else here but I’ll say it again. If we win out, regardless of whether it’s a BCS or not, I’ll be happy-ish. I still think we should be having some “come to Jesus” meetings with the offensive staff and I still think the best case scenario is after we beat Rutgers Stewart announces his retirement and we get riled up for the bowl game and whip either VA Tech in the Orange Bowl or NC State in the Car Care Bowl sending Stew out in a blaze of glory.
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Nov 30, 2010 5:50 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
I gave them a Yes again this week
Beating Pitt is always a top priority for me, and by 25 in their house is just sweet. Like Country Roads said this was probably the most complete game I’ve seen from the team. And that’s on both sides of the ball.
I like that we finally scored in all four quarters of the game. I like the heavy running attack we’re getting from Clarke and Alston. I don’t think our O line is playing anywhere near as good as we need them to play. I don’t think our special teams play is as good as it needs to be.
And finally, I’m willing to give Stewart one more season provided he does something about getting the offense and special teams straightened out.
Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?
Pretty much
I mean, what I want (as an Orange fan) for WVU’s coach to do is field a pretty good team that loses to Syracuse. Would have been better if either of us managed to avoid gift-wrapping games for UConn, though.
No
As Colin Cowherd stated this morning, if you think that leaks such as the one about Bill Stewart retiring can’t be planted then you’re foolish. There is so much “gamesmanship” when it comes to teams/media, etc. that you can’t possibly dismiss the claims that Stewart could be gone after the year. I think he realizes that the majority of fans (not overwhelmingly, but probably around 58-42%) want him gone.
These fans realize that the most important aspect of evaluating a head coach is not week to week…..as in, we won this week therefore I vote Yeaaaaaaaa…….This is the sort of mindless response from bandwagon type of fans (say Cowboys fans that don’t live anywhere near Texas, etc.). You can’t possibly validate a yes response to the weekly question posted on this blog based on one game, because that game could’ve been Rutgers or Louisville or some other team that is not considered equal competition. You at least have to give an “overall grade” in addition to your yes response because of a victory over an irrelevant team.
People who aren’t satisfied see that it’s quite possible that recruiting will be less in the coming years (because Holiday isn’t here and because we have been down the past 3 years relative to prior to that), that we have lesser records against inferior competition the last 3 years, and most importantly, they don’t believe Stewart can bring his A-game literally every single week of a college football season, which is what it takes to become the Champs.
Just a little note to those of you who don’t think that the majority of fans’ ultimate goal is to win a NC: You’re in the minority. Everyone of my Mountaineer friends/relatives has the ultimate goal of winning a NC and they feel that enough of a sample size has been extracted to determine that it’s not possible w/ Bill Stewart as head coach.
There’s no doubt that I think we can go 8-4, 9-3 in the Big East conference but we’ll never win 10 regular season games w/ Stewart as coach…EVER…..If he could’ve done it, this was the season.
I guess I'll just add this
Oliver Luck was a Rhodes Scholar candidate. He was responsible for elevating the city of Houston’s sports infrastructure, etc. and managing the 2 time MLS champs Dynamo. Some scouts have called his son the “safest QB selection in the last 30 years”.
I guarantee that Oliver Luck doesn’t evaluate Bill Stewart weekly and then “reset” his thought process the following week depending on the outcome of that week’s game. He is successful, not short-sighted. I also think James Clements is a reasonable/intelligent guy and bases decisions on overall performance, not performance week-to-week.
Although I’m not a high level donor, I just can’t imagine high level donors (the type of people who are motivated, independent, and have high expectations about all things in life) being thrilled about Stewart remaining as head coach.
I fully expect him to announce that he is retiring after the Rutgers game, because he doesn’t want to cause a distraction for his football team at this time……..one that is fortunate to be in a position to get to a BCS game.
I'm a Cowboy's fan who lives in Oregon
I’m also a Braves fan, oh yeah, and a Mountaineer fan so…there’s that.
One more thing Colin Cowherd is kind of a d-bag. I mean he’s funny and all but I wouldn’t put my money where his mouth is.
I also appreciate you invalidating any response different than yours based on the criteria you select for voting. Who knows why I voted the way I do (or not)? Wait I know…read above.
Michael Jordan’s son wasn’t very good at basketball and I’m glad that you and Oliver Luck and Jim Clements have the same criteria for voting on this weekly poll set up by people who take shots out of mini-bottles they got out of a cooler in a Lexus convertible on Law School hill.
Thanks for gracing us with your presence and “I disagree with what you have to say but will fight to the death to protect your right to say it.”- Voltaire
"Thus, it is with those nurtured in Appalachia—they leave, but they look back, remembering pleasant things. The land has claimed them, and its ties will not be severed." --Maurice Brooks
Dr. Charley West, Please don't block me if I have typos or poor grammar.
by Oregon Mountaineer on Nov 30, 2010 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
it's awesome 'cause it's true
weekly poll set up by people who take shots out of mini-bottles they got out of a cooler in a Lexus convertible on Law School hill.
And I take that as a compliment btw
That was how it was intended
"Thus, it is with those nurtured in Appalachia—they leave, but they look back, remembering pleasant things. The land has claimed them, and its ties will not be severed." --Maurice Brooks
Dr. Charley West, Please don't block me if I have typos or poor grammar.
by Oregon Mountaineer on Dec 1, 2010 3:08 AM EST up reply actions
What can I say, we know how to tailgate.
weekly poll set up by people who take shots out of mini-bottles they got out of a cooler in a Lexus convertible on Law School hill.
by Dr. Charley West on Dec 1, 2010 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
Sorry I'm not sorry I party
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 1, 2010 11:25 AM EST up reply actions
SPOT ON!
I have said since the end of the first season (and I will continue to say) that WVU will NEVER win a NC under HCBS. He can point to no aspect of this team and say “I am responsible for improving that.”
by pucker huffman on Nov 30, 2010 9:05 PM EST up reply actions
Defense is ranked #3 overall.
Wait, he doesn’t get credit for anything, only what goes wrong. I forgot how this works.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 9:11 PM EST up reply actions
Wait
I thought Jeff Casteel was for that.
by pucker huffman on Nov 30, 2010 9:13 PM EST up reply actions
You blame the offense on Stew right?
Doesn’t Mullen coach that unit?
Stew is blamed for everything and given credit for nothing. That is extremely unfair.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions
My weekly confidence is shot after reading most of your comments
The story wasn’t planted, it was a subscription website that wanted to make money and generate hits so they ran with a random rumor. Could he retire or be fired, yes, but he could also coach at WVU next year. All you have to do is look at the headline today and what it was Saturday night to know they wanted to make some money and had little to no basis for the report. If they were smart they would’ve done it mid-week, but….
Honestly, why do some elitist fans think anyone who doesn’t agree with them is a pea brain simpleton from up some holler in WV? Are you elitists so afraid of being wrong that you feel the need to consistently cite that some fake minority of fans agree with you? Just because some people that have moved from the state and suck from the teet of tOSU fans and want so bad to be an tOSU fan, they can’t get over the fact that they can’t say “We are better than you, HAHA” the last couple years. Those so called fans that made up their minds before Stew ever coached a game cannot look at the current situation objectively because they only see what validates their original closed minded thoughts about our coach. (See what I did there. I did not aim my insults at a specific person but rather a group of people even though the comments were obviously aimed at someone directly.
Enough snark, back to my actual argument…
I base my yes vote on Stew’s total body of work. A few weeks ago that body of work was not as good as it is now. I’m not saying GREAT or even above average. However, I can see this team moving in the right direction and a few changes will further that move. After back-to-back loses to Cuse and UConn I thought Stew was done and had lost this team. However, he and the team proved me wrong and have shown a lot of heart these last three weeks.
To me, intelligent people understand that they can change their mind without dragging down their self worth. Call me a flip-flopper or whatever, but I think I am mainly objective in my evaluation of this team and the coaching staff. Not many people have huge arguments over my weekly grades. I change my mind on this coaching staff because the “total body of work” changes on a weekly basis. New result, new set of facts to help your evaluation.
After beating Rutgers we will have three straight 9 wins seasons and still have the chance at a Big East Championship. Would I like more than nine wins, of course.
Also, I think every fans “goal”/hope going into the season is a national title. Well, not every fans hope because your hope this year was to get HCBS fired and not win a national title.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2010 9:09 PM EST up reply actions
+..shit, 57
I have reached the same point I did last year about this time…you know, back when I am not proud to say, I went on a rant. Some people aren’t happy types…we just beat our fiercest rival, and some don’t seem to be able to get even a jot of enjoyment out of that. Sad.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Everyone makes excellent points, but the reality is the players on the field still play the game. Ask any coach worth his salt and he’ll tell you the absolute biggest killer in wins and losses is turnovers. Fumbles, interceptions( not with us) and blocked kicks have been the thing that, after all our debates, is why we are 8-3 and not 10-1 or even11-0. It’s simplistic but sadly true. Sure, our offense has been downright ugly and obviously way too horizontal. Why, I have no idea. But, with all our bickering about coaching, the bottom line is the turnovers and I think they fixed it. I voted yes.
I agree with you
Some of the blame for turnovers has to fall on the coaches, but they have been running this “turnover circuit” on offense and defense and it seems to have helped.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 1, 2010 8:55 AM EST up reply actions

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