TSM Coaching Approval Meter (Post-UConn, 2010)
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 1, 2010 11:22 AM EDT
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West Virginia went on to the road as a clear favorite and once again dropped a game that was equally dramatic and pathetic. UConn is a team that has lost to Temple in convincing fashion and was shut out -- yes, they failed to score -- against Louisville. They now also own a win over West Virginia, which is not anything of note in 2010.
Oh, how far we've fallen.
As is always the case with the Coaching Approval Meter, please explain your vote in the comments. If you have a potential solution to the problem, please give us that, too. And just so you know, just saying "Fire Bill Stewart" is not a satisfactory response, even if you add 14 exclamation points. I might agree with you, but you need to take your answer further. If you want him gone today, tell us why and how. If you want him gone at the end of the season, tell us why and how. And if you want him to stay -- yes, it's possible -- tell us why and how.
Go to it, both old grads and young lads.
Last Week: 9.01%
Season Average: 43.82%
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Nope...
My points are all the same as I made last week, just reinforced. There’s complete lack of any sense of urgency or willingness to change tempo during games. Answers are always “I’ll have to see the tape” or some quoting of a statistical anomaly… if you have to see the tape to see why we aren’t scoring, you aren’t cut out to be a coach, but when you blame the loss on “football team”… and don’t take responsibility yourself first and foremost, you don’t deserve to be the coach.
I would like the people that vote yes to actually explain what its like to be voting and suffering a stroke at the same time… so we know to check up on you and that you hopefully just fidgeted and hit the wrong box…
I voted yes for the second time (also last year after auburn – another turnover riddled game…if it happens once, its on the players, if it happens multiple times every single year, it’s for sure on the coaches).
I voted yes because I think losing to UConn made it 100% Stew is gone and had we pulled out a 19-16 win in overtime, people might still support him and he might have been back to ruin another autumn. Thankfully, we can always count on Bill Stewart and staff to not rise to the occasion, and they lost maybe the most important game as it relates to their job security.
There are still people out there that like to believe Rich Rod threw the Pitt game. I’m going on record as saying I believe Stew threw the UConn game because he knew he wasn’t getting the job done and knew a loss would hasten the process of brining someone else in….I mean, how else could we have lost to UConn?! So, for that, I support the staff and the sabotaging of the program.
by The 25314 on Nov 1, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
sarcasm
that post was dripping with it.
according to the wv constitution party candidate for US senate, 9/11 was the british
No
The only time it is acceptable for WVU to be last in the Big East standings is before conference play starts and they list the teams alphabetically.
Thanks for the reinstatement Charley, I apologize if I was offensive, which I was, and it wont happen again. Burgh I apologize for that crazy outburst last week, it was uncalled for, and I was wrrr wrrrr wrong! Whew that was tough. No hard feelings hopefully.
I was at the UCONN game and it was just the worst away game I ever went to for so many reasons, but I am not here to say I told you so, I think we all see whats happening here, and at this point I am just hoping for the best for this football program. And 5YS, Columbus did just come back to gloat, but the guy was right.
Remember a month or so ago, we were all on our high horses about this program carrying the Big East, and we were ranking from top to bottom, would be interesting to see where fans think we stand if we ranked now, losing to perennial bottom feeders definitely puts them ahead of us at least this year. Fucking shame.
And yea oh btw, I voted no.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Nov 1, 2010 12:16 PM EDT reply actions
We're good
I think the only thing that bothered me was claiming I live in McKee’s Rocks. I was there once because I was helping someone I went to college with. He told me to roll my window up because the guys up on the corner were gang bangers and didn’t care for him. Right then and there I said to myself, if you live NEVER EVER go back there.
It’s all good. You were upset and I caused you to go over the edge and that led to them.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 1, 2010 1:52 PM EDT up reply actions
no again
I would take rich rod back about now – yep I said it. This is the worst WVU football I have seen since the late nehlen to early rich rod years. The difference in those teams is they fought and this team looks uninterested. The mountaineer swagger is gone and players look to be confused, pissed, and lost on the sidelines or after the game. As for a solution I will take any coaching move to breath life into this program. Somebody get coach bowers from morgantown high on the phone!
Big East Conference football means only one thing -- We are closer to Big East Conference Basketball.
by cleveland sucks on Nov 1, 2010 12:28 PM EDT reply actions
The truth about why WVU has no offense
After looking at last games stat sheet, here is the problem with our offense.
Rushes 47 for 254 a 5.2 yd average
Passes 22/34 for 167 a 4.4 yd average or there about.
The opponents defense doesn’t have to loosen up and leave the box of 5-10 yds if we are passing and running in the same box. At first I thought that it was just Mullen and that Stewart would be ok. But he hasn’t figured it out either and needs to be dismissed as well. There has been no attempt to open up the tight end option in the passing game at all, and it was wide open all night against USF as well as the past 2 games with Syracuse and UConn.
No in a sucked the life from me kind of way
WVU has had better athletes and better players than every team it has played so far with the possible exception of one. Three losses has to reflect on coaching quality. If you can’t win the ones you are supposed to win, stealing one is not going to happen. I am really amazed and shocked at what has become of this football season. Maybe the bye week will allow changes to be made whether personnel, preparation or players. Of course to speculate this far into the season about coaching performance means that we will likely see more of the same.
Ground Hog Day
Noel runs left, Noel runs right, short pass and 4th down kick. Then Noel runs right, Noel runs left, short pass and 4th down kick. OMG Clarke runs for 30 yard gain (once); and Starks catches one for a score (once)! I’m feeling like Bill Murray. Give me anything that looks different than yesterday. Give me something to see that digs in to utilize the talents of our guys. I can’t recall seeing plays so unimaginative in. Is Noel expected to juke his way past a loaded box play after play?? Slaton was afforded Schmit, why can’t Noel have Clarke out front?? Please! The play calls are mindless and soooo predictable!
I’m a little skeptical of people complaining that the plays are just too predictable. Because I heard the same complaints when we were scoring 40 pointes per game. I feel like most football fans think that their team should be throwing deep to every single play. And at WVU they think we should be throwing deep every play to Wes Lyons or a tight end.
Play-calling is ineffective
We are not putting points on the board, and that’s not from lack of talent.
No
I’m not stating the same reasons over and over each week, but what I would like to discuss is the solutions out there.
I would like to see us get an offensive minded coach who can utilize these kids talents. Casteel is awesome and our D is great, but we need someone who can come in an revitalize this offense.
No
and I think it is too late for just a new OC. I’m amazed at how the fan base has swung against the staff (yes, I’ve been against HCBS all along, but I felt like I was in the minority) and I don’t think that replacing Mullen and Johnsons is enough any longer. I see many people on different boards mentioning Beatty as a candidate for OC, but his group seems like maybe the biggest failures of all the past two games. We need someone to come in from the outside to evaluate every player and coach and name his own staff. Our program is broken, not just a little messed up. Last in the BIg East… I never thought it woulde get this bad…
Nope.
I was at the game, and I did my fair share of yelling, turning over trash cans, and kicking traffic cones on the way to the car after the game. Definitely embarrassing, but not moreso than the result on the field. If I owned shoes, I would have thrown them.
I actually went back and watched our offensive possessions on ESPN.com last night because I wanted to make sure that my foggy memory was accurate. The main problems I saw were inconsistent and poor blocking by the line, sloppy play, and turnovers. And without the turnovers, we still would have won the game.
But at the end of the day, the sloppy play and blocking falls back on the coaching staff. There just isn’t enough demand for attention to detail and execution. We have the talent to win the rest of our games, but I fear that we lack the wherewithal to actually win them.
No
The last two weeks have been miserable to watch and hard for someone who likes HCBS to justify his staying on.
The only way things will change is a shake up of some sorts, whether it be just the OC or both HC and OC. Unfortunately, I think we are stuck until year end. And I still stick by my thoughts that HCBS will resign/retire before being fired.
But man oh man, the offense has been offensive as of late. I think the blame has to be spread out to the players and coaching staff in these last two games.
And again, Defense, we know you’re the better unit this year, but could you force a turnover once in a while?
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 1, 2010 1:56 PM EDT reply actions
No
There is no way to spin losses the last two weeks…losses to teams with whom I don’t even think we should have had a competitive game.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
I need to admit I was wrong as well…..
The 25314, on January 3, 2008 at 11:06 am Said:
To add a little negativity….This scares me to death. One win does not a coach make. Can he recruit? Can he run a program for 12 months, 2 years, 5 years? Can he take us to the next level? Did the team rally around Stewart, or around Rodriguez leaving?
My suspicion is that this is a Larry Coker hire. We’ll be as good as we could possibly be for the next couple years, but then maybe slip a little when new recruits have to play.
Is this the best choice of the easiest choice?
NO, again
Same as last week: ineffective game-planning, sloppy play, no adjustment to the opponent, turnovers, turnovers, turnovers.
Hey Oliver Luck, I absolutely hate that WVU is "the winningest college football team to have never won a National Championship". You think you could do something about that?
no
I was a yes until last week.
i think our defensive staff is obviously doing the job if we were ranked 3rd in the nation in total defense, and now 5th.
the most points scored on us all year has been the bizarre marshall game of 21 points.
our defense can’t shut out every team. so that means only getting at least 3 touchdowns every game thus far…….. and our players can’t do that? no deal jeff mullen.
Not only no but Hell no
Losing on the road to a good (if bizarrely coached) LSU team is one thing, although it was in their ability to win.
Losing to bottom-feeders of the worst BCS conference is not acceptable.
no offensive "crispness" whatsoever
always one or two little things that keeps plays from developing correctly, i.e. missed block, bad cut, etc. Besides O coaching staff, if there’s still Offensive Quality Control people, how do they not notice this stuff to get it corrected.
And one from 25314.
Which, based on his reasoning, I can’t argue with too much.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 1, 2010 5:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Not for Nothing...
But I voted no.
I’m not smart enough about football or what will drive recruits to your new coach, but the Big East needs to have better all around play. Your guys didn’t look sharp. I was calling for us to be blown out by a pissed, motivated team fresh off a loss to Syracuse.
I’d rather we had duked it out in a fist fight than in a tea party.
I voted yes because
3 years ago I wouldve voted no because even though I was worried about the hire, I wanted Stew to succeed. We were still on a high from the Fiesta bowl win, we had Pat White coming back, things were good. We lost a couple games, and I wanted to say it’s just ajustment, don’t panic yet. But now, I see I shouldve panicked. I don’t see this getting any better. I don’t see any adjustments week to week, or half to half. Players don’t have any fire. It’s the same “oh shucks” attitude Stew has. So I voted yes, because a few more games like this will help move this coaching staff out the door quicker, so I approve.
by Bleedbluengold16440 on Nov 1, 2010 5:28 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
No
Fire Bill Stewart!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Just messin’
Many have stated that I posted after the game to “tell you so”. I don’t understand this at all. When have I ever NOT tried to “tell you so”.
To use a phrase from the ol’ Verbal section,
damp : moist, the inevitability of the current situation : daily sunrise
It doesn’t matter what I think. All that matters is that Stewart and company will be replaced either during the season or (more likely) after the season. Luck and Clements will do a fine job of replacing him. I have faith that his damaging hire will only effect us until the 2014 season. By then, I have full confidence that we will be back to where we need to be…..who knows, it could even be sooner than that if it’s an exceptional hire.
and another thing
you likely think that I’m this “typical, negative West Virginian” w/ a fatalistic and “git-r-dun” philosophy at life…..and for good reason, because I only discovered this blog after Stewart was hired.
Quite frankly, I’m a positive person and I am excited about the next chapter of WVU football……one that will be void of Nehlen, Rodriguez, and Bill Stewart influences.
You should know this by my pro-Huggs posts in the winter.
I never understood the anti-Nehlen sentiment.
He’s a freaking Hall of Fame coach. And while he probably could have done some things better, he lifted WVU football from a regional program to a national program. He played for 2 national championships. He put a ton of players in the pros. And he did it with class and integrity. I, for one, hope the program will never be “void of his influences.”
by Country Roads on Nov 2, 2010 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions
+7
No matter what, Nehlen will always be the progenitor of what we now know and love as Mountaineer football…
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
1988
- WVU played #1 ND in the Fiesta Bowl
- Miami played #6 Nebraska in the Orange Bowl
1993
- WVU played #8 Florida in the Sugar Bowl
- Nebraska played #2 (ONE LOSS) FSU in the Orange Bowl
Did we really play for the National title? In 1988, probably yes, but probably a split. In 1993, no way. I think we were screwed both years, but is that a regional program or national program?
I’m not here to disparage Nehlen. I liked him when he was here. But he had his time, I don’t care for hiring all his assistants back either.
Semantics.
Win either bowl game and we’re probably at least co-champs. And you can be damn sure we would all be claiming those co-championships.
Fact of the matter is, we were at a different level after Nehlen left than before he got here. And most of our defensive staff were Nehlen assistants. They seem to be doing okay.
by Country Roads on Nov 2, 2010 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions
If...
we had won in ‘88, I think we would have had the title. In ’93, we would have had to beat Fla the way we beat us. And I agree, with CR…as a kid we took a two-lane Route 19 to games. By the early 90’s, it was a four-lane “Mountaineer Expressway.” Two major stadium upgrades, actually, maybe three happened under Nehlen, and I think the Star City Bridge upgrade was ok’d while he was still a coach.
He laid the groundwork, but his was a cyclical system. 84 great team (blew it with three bad losses), 88 (great team), 93 (great team), 96(was supposed to be a great team, but fizzled…injuries played a part but great d), 98 (a pretty damned good team that was compromised by the opening loss to OSU), and, say what you will, I always felt that Nehlen felt like he left the cupboard full when he stepped down. It is conjecture, of course, but I think Nehlen would have won 9 or 10 with that team, where Rod forced his system into place and won only three.
So, cycles…Rod took us to the next level, where we really could be good every year, with only an occassional slip up. That is what I want to get back to, and I have serious doubts after the last few weeks that Stew can put us there. I wanted him to be able to, maybe for story elements more than anything, and I am still hoping against hope that these next four games and the bowl game can make up for the last two games…but I have serious doubts.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
4%
voted yes….that means “they approve of the job Bill Stewart and staff are doing”.
Don’t you just hate when “internet voter” guy tries to be funny by voting for the landslide minority option.
unless they are refering to Jeff Casteel and the rest of the Defensive coaches
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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 1, 2010 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions
so your
placing more weight on the defensive coordinator’s performance than the head coach and offensive coordinator’s……..huh……
No
I should have voted “yes” for the same reasons as 25314 and Bleedbluengold16440 but I did not have the foresight.
For those scoring at home, Bill Stewart has now punted from the 32-yard line (@ USF last year) and the 32 1/2-yard line (@ UConn this year), and lost both games. In neither instance did he hesitate to make his decision. I’m just hoping before his tenure ends we get to see the first ever Mountaineer punt from inside an opponent’s 30-yard line.
Also, I can’t be the only one who thought there was at least a 20% chance that Stu thought it was the 2nd-quarter while calling those 1st-quarter timeouts because of the ’ol mighty wind.
And someone correct me if I’m wrong here, but following that genius move we went 3 & out…
by pushthebutton on Nov 1, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions
I'll defend the decision to punt there.
It was 4th and long (I think around 9 yards). I was sitting in that end of the stadium and the wind was NASTY. It would have been a 49 1/2 yarder. Bitancurt’s career long is 45 yards. Our defense was playing well. If you miss the kick, UConn has a short field and could sneak into FG range. We punted and at least didn’t lose in regulation. And if Clarke hangs onto the ball in OT, we probably win the game.*
*Not that we shouldn’t have played better and not been in that situation in the first place, but from the standpoint of the punt, it was a good decision. The commentators even said as much without really debating the issue.
by Country Roads on Nov 2, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions
i understand the field goal part, but i would have gone for it. if you punt into the end zone, which is likley, you gain 12 yards of field position. our D hadn’t allowed a first down to that point. when you have an awesome defendense, you can take the “risk” of giong for 4th and 9 at their 32 1/2 yard line.
There is something fundamentally wrong with our offense’s inability to react to our competition’s defendive adjustmemts being made in nearly every game we have played this year. Not all the blame should be placed on the coaching staff however. The turnovers have just been inexcusable (in my mind Ryan Clark’s fumbles alone have lost two games), as has been the absence of a “killer instinct” and the understanding by our players of the importance of playing each and every play as hard and as smart as they can. Way too many unintelligent plays being made, killing drives and changing the games’ momentum. Don’t get me wrong, I love the Mountaineers, but this team does not resemble any WVU team I’ve seen in recent years. I’ll support them to the end and hope that those in power, (are you listening Ollie Luck) will make decisions accordingly to right this now sinking ship….please!
Interim Coach
Stewart is now an interim coach. Nice man, but not up to the job. He has put himself in a temporary position between the unethical genius RR and the next coach to be hired from outside the program. It’s just a matter of how long Mr. Luck chooses to wait to pull the trigger.
NOt only is this an embarrassment within the realm of the state, our failure has far reaching impact with pending conf. realignments and teams looking to come in or God forbid looking to leave, The coaching staff may have done more damage than has been talked about here. I still will hope for a good showing the rest of the games.
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I disagree about impacting conference realignment.
A bad year or three doesn’t change the fundamental identity of the program. Colorado has sucked for a long period of time but was still an attractive addition to the Pac 10 because of their media market, history, etc. WVU is still the same program it was 3 years ago, but with less immediate threat to compete for championships.
by Country Roads on Nov 2, 2010 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions
You think TCU would be invited to the Big East if they weren’t better at football than Houston/UTEP/SMU?
Now where did I say anything like that?
In the last 30 years, have any of those 3 teams been anywhere close to TCU in terms of program strength? Not even close. My point is that a string of a few bad years doesn’t change the program’s identity. Why are Syracuse and Rutgers being mentioned for Big 10 expansion? Certainly not because of their recent football acumen. Is Baylor all of a sudden a candidate for SEC expansion because they’re ranked this year? Or how about those Iowa State to the Big Ten rumors? Program = historical success + potential for future success (including media market, recruiting base, etc.).
by Country Roads on Nov 2, 2010 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions
How much longer until Basketball
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No
We have lost three games and our opponents have scored only 55 points, an average of only 18 points and we can’t win. HCBS can discuss not stripping the ball or creating turnovers, but we simply have no consistant offense. We scored 10 in the first quarter against UCONN and 13 for the game. We scored 14 against Cuse in the first quarter and 14 for the game. We scored 14 against a very tough LSU defense and actually scored a TD in the second half. I think this spells it out, no adjustments in the offensive scheme, or we loose intensity or the opponent adjusts and we don’t. It spells ineffective offense and we have great players, great speed and a lot of experiience. In the RR days (I know we can’t live in the past) we could score from anywhere in a minute or minute and a half. We always had confidence we could win. Where is the swagger??? With this team we should walk through the Big East and be the conference poster team. Instead we hasten the loss of the Big East automatic bye and our program slowly sinks. It was my worry when Stew was hired and he is fullfilling my worst fears. I suspect the right thing to do is to finish the season and then make a move although I would rather see a change and maybe put a little fire in the Mountaineers the rest of the way.
no
ineffective, nonadaptive playcalling. as the game wound down, i was beginning to feel that even if we won our program was lost.
Stew
Yes, I think he should go at the end of the season. Perception is everything and the perception of Bill Stewart is that he’s in over his head. Whether that’s true or not, and I think it is, is irrelevant. If that’s what people think, recruits will choose to go elsewhere. It is nothing short of stunning that a team with this many weapons can’t put up 20 points on Syracuse and UConn.
Three years with a team in the bottom 50 in total offense is unaceptable. Since I have been assured there is above top 50 talent on this team, that can only mean that the coaches are not doing their job by adjusting the system to the talent available or effectively teaching the players so the current system can be executed.
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