TSM Coaching Approval Meter (Post-Syracuse, 2010)
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 10:54 AM EDT
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PrintIf you were concerned with the 20-6 scoreline from the USF game (which is what led our last approval meter post), then you're certainly concerned with a 19-14 scoreline, in favor of Syracuse.
This loss leaves the Mountaineers at 5-2 (1-1 conference), which is fine until you consider our strength of schedule ranks below Northern Arizona, Eastern Washington, South Dakota State, and Northern Colorado (we check in at 101st in the nation, according to Sagarin). It's also highly embarrassing to lose your homecoming game, not even considering it's to a team that you've beaten eight times in a row.
Of course, Coach Stewart doesn't seem overly concerned:
"We had a lot of positives out there [Saturday]. But the negatives outweighed them and, by golly, it's a great lesson in life.''
Listen, it's not by job to try to influence results of this poll, but it's impossible to ignore that things are not well in Mountaineer-land. I will stop my mini-rant here, only to say that when you do vote, please explain your vote in the comments. And, based on our new commenting rules, try to keep it as rational and organized as possible.
Go forth, young lads.
Last Week: 64%
Season Average: 53.3%
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Total yes votes: 1004
Total no votes: 881
Exact approval percentage: 53.26259%
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 10:56 AM EDT reply actions
He lost to Syracuse...
in the same season as he went to OT with Marshall… No matter how much you WANT to take up for the guy, there’s no upward-traction with this team since he took over in 2008. Its been a complete and total regression.
Agreed.
The best, most hopeful things you can point to have been small continuations of status quo.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
I voted no for all the reasons I listed in the "WVU vs Syracuse Grades " Thread
I won’t bore everyone by rehashing them…
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
101st in Schedule Strength
…actually represents a positive bump. We were 135th last week!
I think this may be my first “no” vote. But how could it be otherwise? Were it nor for the wonders of Jeff Casteel, we might not have even had a shot to win in the fourth quarter.
It is going to be like beating a dead horse around here, and I am sick of what I think already, but this lack of offensive production merits some serious rebuke.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
SoS
Well when you give away a win that will increase the record of your opponents. That strength of schedule would likely be around 135 or worse had we beaten Cuse
Fear the Grier!!!!
I don't even care that Stewart is a nice guy anymore
Everyone in the Big East knows that WVU is on the down slope except apparently Bill Stewart…
Short of losing out I really don’t expect Luck to make a change…but I do expect him to put pressure of HCBS to make some staff changes…Even if Mullen isn’t shown the door…hopefully Dave Johnson will be
I Think Three More Losses
would be required for Luck to make a change. Sadly, I think that we could lose that many. But then, it might wind up for the best a few years from now.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
by JP Fanshawe on Oct 25, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions
I am working on getting something more concrete...
…but I think it’s going to take a lot LESS than three losses.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions
You got inside track on some new info?
I can only hope so…
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Like I said, I am holding back now.
I have been very surprised to hear how little it may take to necessitate a coaching change.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow.... Interesting..
I’m sure you be the 1st to break the news once we get to that point. Thanks for keeping us up to speed.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
I've been hearing some rumors too
It’s hard to believe that Ollie can accomplish all the major things he wants to do in the coming years without a solid football program,
scary but true...
given that Louisville have been very impressive the last couple weeks… a SOPHMORE QB at Pitt is putting up big numbers the last two weeks (one of those against the same Syracuse team)… Cinci have had our number… Rutgers tend to put together one good game a year, and God know’s they’re due.
8-4 is a serious probability…
I've already chalked up a loss to Cincy
Louisville is beginning to scare me. See what happens when intelligent coaching hires are made…
I don’t even care that Stewart is a nice guy anymore
I do. It actually seems to be hindering his ability to coach. He’s almost too nice. He’s that guy you know that is still single even though all of his friends (even the girls, and there are tons of girl friends, not to be confused with girlfriends) think that he is such a catch and such a great guy. But the problem is, he just isn’t willing to walk up to a girl and seal some ass. He’s too worried about feelings to take what is rightfully his, and therefore, even when he gets a date, he never closes the deal…
That metaphor might have gone on too long, but you get the point….
Fear the Grier!!!!
My vote
Is no today just like after every other game this year. I hate bandwaggoning but in this case I welcome it. WVU looked outcoached and our players talent level is very apparently much better when compared to the orange (damn you OTTO). This is the easiest way to deduct that our coaches (sorry casteel) were outclassed. We need a change!!!! Give our talent some top notch coaching and WVU will rise from the ashes.
James Harrison is going to break Colt McCoy in half!
by cleveland sucks on Oct 25, 2010 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
Asking a question to the board
We all know that HCBS is not the sharpest tool in the shed but is Doug Marrone really that good?
he is razor sharp
when compared to holtz and stewart. Ironcally wanny bested him in wits so who the hell knows!
James Harrison is going to break Colt McCoy in half!
by cleveland sucks on Oct 25, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions
He's rid the program of GERG!
He’s done a very good coaching job the last season and a half. They at least look and play like a football team, and not 22 walk-ons… That said, the job he’s done shouldn’t have even been remotely good enough to play with us at this stage in the game.
I disagree that HCBS is not smart.
He sounds a little slow, but he is an intelligent man.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 25, 2010 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
+1.
Let’s not insult Bill Stewart’s intelligence. He is an extremely sharp individual. Just because he may not be a successful division I-A head coach doesn’t make you an idiot.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
Agreed...
Please let’s not confuse a tendency toward hokey-ness as unintelligence. I think Stew is a great guy. In fact, I think he is probably a great Lieutenant. I just think he might not be a leader-of-men type General….
We shall see, though, over the next few weeks.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
by JP Fanshawe on Oct 25, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions
How? Just because you have a huge vocabulary of Cliches doesn’t make you smart, but on the second hand he has managed to bilk the athletic department out of a ton of money while doing little more then squinting and wandering the sideline during games….. Screw it your right.
Again, let's just keep it to his coaching ability.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I am, pre and post game presser is full of football cliches and hokey comments and being that I sit practically on the field I get to watch him first hand do little more then wander around. He typically doesn’t enter a huddle till at least the second half and during timeouts he can usually be seen 10-15 yards from the action and when he does enter the huddle it is to pump his fist and wave his arms……
This team has no offensive direction or character, just like the head coach (in the direction department that is). You can’t say “we do lots of stuff but nothing well” and expect people to be happy with that especially when they are shelling out so much money to sit there. The fact of the matter is, you can’t ask people for more when you are giving them less on the field. I don’t mind losing, when we are not as good as the opponent, but in the HCBS era, it is the coaching, not the players who are “not as good”
Go forth, young lads? How 'bout us old dudes?
My first NO vote this year. I could gloss over some of the shortcomings I’ve seen previously because we were winning. I have said this before, but it bears repeating; Bill Stewart was not on my list of RR replacements when he was hired. I only gave my support because I thought the disruption of firing him would outweigh any gains.
While I still think Stewart should get at least a fourth year to prove himeself, what I saw on Saturday makes me doubt that he can lead us forward. I will be sorely disappointed if Mullen and Johnson still have jobs after the season. And I think I would be a lot happier if one or more of them got the axe before then.
Lecti Exurendo Sunt!
(Couches Must Burn!)
Stew's hiring
It was fueled by emotion not logic. I ask you Mr. Luck let’s use some logic now. The recruiting process should have started yesterday. We need a big splah, a big name, a big change to take this BIG program to the national title game and beyond.
James Harrison is going to break Colt McCoy in half!
by cleveland sucks on Oct 25, 2010 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions
No
Because Mr. Stewart makes clear by means of his defensive press-conference posturing that he reads more press clippings than anyone with a Puskar Center office or locker. And we’re hearing about snooze buttons again.
by bicklefischerkane on Oct 25, 2010 11:33 AM EDT reply actions
Plus, the tropes introduced to justify replacing a highly productive offense with a far less productive offense.
Pat White was Going to Graduate:
Yes, the great White magician was destined to graduate, and the SlatonSchmittReynaud monster would leave too. This is true, but it leaves two options: (a) recruit the best players you can to fit in with those who remain to keep the current offense, or (b) scrap the offense. I know (a) is an option because it is the one Mr. Stewart chose for defense and special teams. He chose (b), and it has turned out bad.
USF troubles and 13-7:
Because the offense stalled on occasion despite being extraordinarily prolific on average, it needed to be scrapped. Forget the logic DERP there and note that from 2005-2007, defense and special teams, which were solid but never spectacular or too rolled up in WVU’s football identity, also had occasional grease fires that cost WVU games. Stew kept those intact.
Balance:
Kill me.
by bicklefischerkane on Oct 25, 2010 11:55 AM EDT up reply actions
The truth in re WVU's offense
Is that the spread, qua WVU Spread, left town the day Rich Rodriguez’s brain did. It’s a bit silly to consider a Stew staff teaching Rodriguez’s offense, let alone running it on game days. If Stew and WVU would just own up to that and admit that Stew scrapped the offense because neither he nor anyone he wished to hire could teach and run a Rod-esque spread, the offensive shift would be easier to process. Instead, everyone at WVU repeatedly lobs backhanded insults at the previous regime and at the period that constituted the very acme of WVU football to justify replacing a Porsche with a really well-apportioned Chrysler Sebring.
by bicklefischerkane on Oct 25, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I vote no because of Jeff Mullen
I still approve of HCBS but not Mullen
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its too bad that NHL is taken because the National Football League has become the National Hypocrite League" Mark Schlereth
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
Isn't HCBS ultimately responsbile for Mullen?
At this point, I don’t know how you can separate the two.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions
I can
its called Resignation Papers
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its too bad that NHL is taken because the National Football League has become the National Hypocrite League" Mark Schlereth
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Oct 25, 2010 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions
Do you believe that will happen?
I know, this is pure conjecture on my part, but I don’t believe Stewart will do it. He either has complete faith in the system that’s in place or he’s in denial about its effectiveness. Either way, I don’t believe Stewart would fire Mullen or any other coach on the staff.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions
At some point I think HCBS will realize its not working
Then he will cut bait and run with a new OC
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its too bad that NHL is taken because the National Football League has become the National Hypocrite League" Mark Schlereth
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Oct 25, 2010 11:54 AM EDT up reply actions
Oliver Luck will help him see the light
or send HCBS packing too.
That may be my wishful thinking though
No, for the first time this year.
I would have been likley to vote yes, if I hadn’t listened to the presser. I want him to be pissed like he was after the LSU loss, but he wasn’t. He should never say a team needs to lose to learn a lesson, that’s his job to keep them grounded and ready to play.
Agreed.
Its his flippin’ job to teach them those lessons Monday-Friday.
The presser was on the radio at our tailgate.
I have never yelled at a small piece of electronics more in my life.
This idea of learning lessons is farcical. I would rather have the kids learn a lesson about how it’s completely and totally awesome to go 13-0 and win a national championship.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions
This is exactly why
Dad and I refused to listen to the radio on the way out of town. I needed to calm down and that would’ve only made things worse…..my exact words to Dad were, “I’m not listening to how great a team ’Cuse is and about how there should have been a Roughing the Passer penalty.” Dad agreed.
The ref picking up the flag on that late hit was total BS though.
by hilltoppeer on Oct 25, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions
It was, but...
…when your entire offense is based on 15 yard penalties by the other team, things haven’t exactly gone right. That’s why not getting that penalty hurt much more than it should have.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
I realize that,
and if that was my sentiment, I would have voted yes. It’s more of player saftey thing to me.
by hilltoppeer on Oct 25, 2010 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
No
I’ve tried to give Stew (and his staff) the benefit of the doubt. Every time I get ready to throw a shoe they seem to have a solid performance. But Mullen’s inept playcalling and Stew’s talk of everyone “straining” has put me over the edge. You an strain all day long and never get anywhere if your coaches don’t have your back with good preparation and adjustments to the opponent’s scheme. Time for Luck to find a new coaching staff, ’cause this football program is headed downhill.
"Yes, madam, I am drunk. But in the morning I will be sober and you will still be ugly." -- Winston Churchill
by Pepperoni Roll on Oct 25, 2010 11:55 AM EDT reply actions
They've already been added to the no-fly list.
Their passports will be confiscated upon trying to leave the country.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions
its up to six
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its too bad that NHL is taken because the National Football League has become the National Hypocrite League" Mark Schlereth
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Oct 25, 2010 12:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Coaching
1st and 7. Pass – Interception… Where’s Clarke.
4th and 1. Punt… Where’s Clarke.
Clarke has only been stopped a few times all year. He’s been successfully used this year when ball control was needed. I love Noel, But… he hasn’t broken a tackle in 3 games. Clarke may not make people miss but I bet Syracuse would have been tired of being hit in the mouth by him in the 4th quarter.
if the OLine is sub par then why not let Gino sprint out and have the option to pass or run instead of being blindsided in the pocket. Gino has shown that he’s smart enough to get down or throw the ball away if everything is out in front of him.
Mullins had been on his honeymoon. It’s time to crap or get off the pot.
One positive thing came from this game. This loss lessons the chance of being in a BCS Game that WVU would be embarrassed in.
Question about coaching
Diehard fan for thirty four years have had season tickets since 88. My question is this is it just Stewart, Mullen, Johnson holding us back or is it the entire offensive staff? I fell that Stewart is trying to run spread offense, with don nehlan style of plays. Secondly I feel that the defensive staff is doing a help of a job, right now if there was to be changes would you keep the defensive staff intact, and revamp the offensive staff, along with the coach. Finally I have close friends on the Big Green Staff at Marshall, I hate MARSHALL, that has told me that Holliday left bevasuse of Stewart, and Manchin sticking his noise in. Is there any truth to that.
by WVUDIEHARD1976 on Oct 25, 2010 12:43 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Yes, there is truth to some of that.
I have no clue about the Manchin part, but HCBS and Holliday did not like each other at the end. I don’t know exactly what caused the increased animosity, but it was there. The evidence can be seen in the post-game handshake incident.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 25, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions
Far fetched question
If Stewart gets let go, would WVU nation bring back Holliday? Or would he want to come back. What coaches are there for us to get? Temple’s coach, Richt, or other big names?
by WVUDIEHARD1976 on Oct 25, 2010 1:02 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
We should make an offer to Mike Leach....
The man is an Offensive genious, and with our current crop of receivers and Geno, he could have us scoring 35-40 points per game within 1 season.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
Why?
Why in the world would we go down this road of unproven coach from within the family, yet again.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Are people not getting this fact?
Say it with me…. “You Don’t Hire Unproven Coaches!!!”
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
A few on a short list I've thought of...
Holiday, I personally wouldn’t feel comfortable bringing back. Just a bad feeling.
Mike Leach is probably impracticable because he’s going to get any big-time job he wants at season’s end and is going to demand a pretty high salary. The bonus is he doesn’t have an O-Coor perse, so the cost of paying someone in that position isn’t there. Leach calls all his own plays during games. I have 1000 reason for wanting Leach, but with his legal disputes with Texas Tech dragging on, he may not be willing to jump back in the game just yet either.
From that same school of thought, Kevin Sumlin at Houston was an assistant with Leach, and had a couple very good seasons until the injury bug bit this year’s team pretty hard. A young guy, African-American (not that it matters to me personally, it could actually be a bonus), offensive minded. My guess is he’s probably favourably-affordable, though leaving Houston for Morgantown is a tough pull.
Another name I think we need to give serious consideration to is Jeff Jagodzinski, formerly at Boston College until he was fired for interviewing for the Jets job after the ‘08 season. Again, a bright-minded offensive guy, did a world of wonders with a very under-maned BC team to get them to #2 in ’07 and into the ACC title game. There was never a bad word really spoken about him until he wanted to interview for the NFL job, which I can’t in all honestly bemoan anyone for doing.
My list begins and ends with Al Golden.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions
If You Can Win At Temple...
…you can probably win anywhere…although it must be noted that winning at Temple is a bit easier now that it is in the MAC, and not the Big East.
I would be in favor of Richt, Leach, Golden, Sumlin….how about Chris Hatcher at Murray State – off the Leach tree, a championship winner in Division II?
Or maybe Paul Petrino?
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Not a fan...
I like what Golden has done at Temple, but is that the perception and direction we want to take WVU – into a further conservative offense? And while he did go to a bowl game, and fair is fair, it was good to do at Temple… its not like he went undefeated last year or averaged 30 points a game.
I agree
Leach is the one I would like to have in Morgantown. Holliday is a good recruiter, that’s what I ment to say, not as a Head Coach.
by WVUDIEHARD1976 on Oct 25, 2010 1:13 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Never been a head coach in college.
Great OC, this decade’s version of Norm Chow. I want a coach that’s proven himself at some college level.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Norm Chow wasn’t an innovator. He just ran a pro-offense with great players. Malzhan is what Rich Rod was 10 years ago.
I agree
That guy can coach and develop talent. He would have made Brown into Newton last season. I would have no problem with him.
I heard last week that Mike Leach is going to Maryland. With the past Under Armour ties between Texas Tech and the founder of Under Armour being a Maryland grad, I could see that.
Doc Holliday and I have about the same chances of being the next WVU football coach.
The only name I see on Beckett’s orginial list that has any shot is Sumlin at Houston. With Luck being down there in the Houston area, I am sure Luck is very familiar with him.
Golden would be a solid choice. I would imagine he is going to watch the Michigan and Penn State situations a little more closely, though. Especially with ties to Penn State.
One thing I feel fairly comfortable in saying is this will be a national search. Luck will not be just looking at guys with just WVU ties. In fact, the next coach closest tie to the state maybe his great uncle once drove through West Virginia on their way to Myrtle Beach.
And, quite frankly, that’s ok with me.
Agreed on the national search.
The dog and pony shows over Mountaineer past are over.
Sumlin’s biggest problem at Houston is that Case Keenum can’t stop getting injured. He might be someone who you can actually catch while his stock isn’t sky high. Baragin shopping for good coaches — I like it.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
I think he could be a good fit...
We need a guys with a proven record, who has shown the ability to recuit, groom, and win.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
About Leach and Maryland...
There have been rumors about Leach going to Maryland since last December. But if we made a push for him, do you think that Maryland is a more attractive sale then WVU?
Even with our current down trend I think we would be an easier sale than the Terps.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
I really like Malzahn's offenses.
But somehow, his rise has always struck me as odd. Plucked out of high school because he was Mitch Mustain’s coach, he spends one year at Arkansas before having to move on. Then two years at Tulsa, which I don’t think we can glean too much from, and then now the current incarnation at Auburn. He’s been fabulous there, but it still seems odd.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions
sounds like the Rich Rod's path to WVU
just replace HS with with GSC
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame: Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Jack Butler, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel, Cris Carter, Kevin Greene and Jerry Kramer
"Its too bad that NHL is taken because the National Football League has become the National Hypocrite League" Mark Schlereth
Canal Street Chronicles resident Steelers Fan
by WVPiratesfan on Oct 25, 2010 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Its quirky...
and it takes the entire staff beliving in it. Its why Tony Franklin (another guy worth looking at) didn’t work out at Auburn. Gus lost his gig at Arkansas as soon as they fired Houston Nutt. But trust me, from living in SEC country, Arkansas fans are the most batshit crazy of the bunch, so noone can really take anything from that mess.
Malzahn didn’t leave Arkansas because Nutt was fired. Nutt was never fired and Malzhan left because he wasn’t getting along with Nutt. There was a huge power struggle between Nutt/the Springdal contigent/boosters and over what direction to take thte offense. In the end Nutt, Malzhan, and Mustain all left and Arkansas ended up in a better position by hiring Bobby Petrino.
hahahah
Auburn are gonna pay him roughly $5mil to stay put… nice thought though!
Auburn won't put up 5mil to keep an OC,
and if Gus were offered a HC job for a BCS program like WVU, he would dumb not to take it, if for nothing else than to raise his stock. Florida didn’t pay big money to keep Strong or Mullins around.
Ollie Comments
I am just wondering (because I haven’t heard anything as a reason why) how is it that everyone on here seems to “know” what Ollie will and will not put up with when it comes to Stew and the others?
I understand that he is the new guy and that he wants to succeed and what not, but it sort of bothers me that people seem to “know” without a doubt how he feels about things. Has he said something that says Stew is on a short leash or something like that? I am not trying to be a jerk, just wondering where it is coming from. Is it something that is absolutely true, or do we just assume that we “know” what he is thinking and assume it is the same as us being fed up with the coaching issues? Thanks guys.
Expect on a post on this very subject within the week.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
Sounds good.
I know that I feel this way, but just did not know where all of the absoluteness about Ollie is coming from. For all I know, he loves Stew and wouldn’t get rid of him at all (not saying this is true). I just haven’t ever heard him speak one way or the other about it all.
He has refused to extend Stewart’s contract which was for only 3 more years before the start of the season. It is extrememly uncommon for a head coach to not have a contract for at least 4 more years to placate recruits.
He has also...
talked about great coaches at WVU, mentioning Huggins, Izzo-Brown, and Carey on several different occasions. Stewart’s name never comes up in said discussions.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions
one example
look at the “resignations” at the beginning of the school year in other sports…let’s just say the rest of the Athletic Dept. was on edge for a while
If I was running the coaching search I call, in order:
1. Nick Saban
2. Chip Kelley
3. Chris Peterson
4. Jim Harbaugh
5. Jimbo Fisher
Then I call Dan Mullen/Guz Malzhan/Al Golden/Will Muschampe
Then I call a list of successful coordinators and D 1-AA coaches
The worst anyone can do is say no, so there’s no reason not to ask.
Again, the worst anyone can say is no.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 2:46 PM EDT up reply actions
What is with you people and Nick Saban?
Saban, Chip Kelly, Chris Petersen, Jim Harbaugh, Dan Mullen, and Jimbo Fisher all helm healthy programs at schools that are not part of scorched-earth basketball conferences. “No” is certainly not the worst outcome; muffled laughter on the other end of the phone, alongside news that WVU has offered the job to a bajillionty folks and been turned down — those are the worst outcomes. Chasing candidates with no plausible — let alone actual — interest is how you end up hiring Lane Kiffin and Derek Dooley back to back.
And there is no way, even if Saban wanted to go “home” again, that WVU could pay him and remain compliant with Title IX.
Gonna be a great couple months!
by bicklefischerkane on Oct 25, 2010 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions
You sound like the guy who asks out every hot girl he sees, regardless of whether he has a chance, until someone actually says yes.
Oh wait….
by Country Roads on Oct 25, 2010 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions
with the help of roofies, i don’t even have to wait for a “yes.” am i insinuating that we should roofie potential football coaches? yes, i am.
ADOL (athletic director Ollie Luck)
has to use his selling skills for this job! He’s got to tell anyone he talks to how bad we (the team and fans) want to win; how he knows that under (insert potential coaches name here) we will be a winning program and he will be a king! He’s got to get our biggest alumni donors to dig deep in their pockets and maybe, just maybe….someone in the 25314’s list might listen. Is the 1100 club still around? Just asking…do we still need it or was that just for RR?
I know that if HCBS isn’t our coach next year, whomever we hire, I want it to be someone who will stay around for a while (10+years), be happy he made the choice to come to WV and create an atmosphere of excellence.
God Bless America and the Mountaineers!
WVUD
Is the great divide between Mountaineer fans shrinking?
If fan blogs are any indicator, it certainly appears so. To go out on a limb, while a loss is never a good thing, perhaps we will look back in a few years and realize that this was the event that brought our fan base back together. I, for one, certainly hope so.
My first no
With the skill players WVU has, to only score 20 against USF and 14 against a Syracuse team that Pitt hung 45 on, has finally caused me to flip,
Are we in semi-agreement...
that most of us here are looking for someone experienced and that has had play-calling responsibilities before to take over as HC? And from there promote and teach Beatty the OC position?
Mullen, for the amount of ineptitude that he has, was never a play-caller at Wake Forest. Stew certainly never was here. So when Mullen gets his shit out of whack, Stew doesn’t know really how to steer back on track. Its not excusing either of them for making a hell of a lot of money doing something with less logic and execution than the “Ask Corso” feature can do, but I’m just tossing it out there as to WHY when things blow up they tend to blow up disastrously.
Not in agreement on Beatty.
What, if anything, has proven that he would make a good offensive coordinator? The fact that he can recruit? If we hire an experienced head coach, you let him bring in his own staff.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 25, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions
Apologies...
I’m not meaning to stump for Beatty for OC… I’m just mentioning it as a possibility. Guys like Leach, Sumlin, Paul Johnson at GT. You’re definitely correct that Beatty hasn’t shown any idea for how to scheme or call plays. But for familiarities sake, if a play-calling HC came in, I wouldn’t be opposed to that promotion necessarily because its a safe, internal hire and Beatty isn’t saddled with the enormity of the game-planning and play-calling and everything that seems to overwhelm Mullen.
Sorry for the confusion. If/when the change is made, I want the HC , whoever it is, to have absolute say over who on his staff stays and goes.
I Would Prefer Someone
who has had HC experience, and is a former coordinator. It seems riskier to me to pluck a coordinator from somehere…unless he has a nice pedigree of working under established, elite coaches…
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
And To Be Clear....
I wouldn’t mind if that person has a defensive background, and not an offensive one. Stoops came from the defensive side and when he got to Oklahoma, he thought of the offenses that gave him the most fits and went and hired Mike Leach…
In fact, I’d like to know which offenses for which Jeff Casteel hates to prepare. I wonder if Casteel might not be the guy that should be running things and here he is, on staff, right under our noses…
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
I mentioned Casteel in another thread.
I love our defensive coaches and would like to see them stay on board. It’s hard to really improve, though, when you just tweak and retain from within. What are your alls thoughts?
by Country Roads on Oct 25, 2010 5:26 PM EDT up reply actions
I voted No
I still think Bill Stewart is a quality coach. I honestly believe he’s a guy that players, coaches, recruits, etc. can really rally around, but….
It’s time to make changes on the offensive side of the ball. The body of work from our OC is enough call for a change.
My question, did HCBS sign a similar deal to Rich Rod? Isn’t there a buy out clause that has to be dealt with? I ask this, because it seems hard to justify a “cause” firing for a guy who has won 70% of his games as a head coach. Which, let’s also realize that fact too. Like it or not, coaches will look at a Bill Stewart firing and say “the man won 70% of his games, is a home grown guy, loves WVU, loves West Virginia, and still got the boot. What kind of expectations do they have from an outsider with no ties or built in support?”
I think he stays out his contract, then retires at the end of it. He gets to enjoy the dream of the head coaching position at WVU, and leaves on his own terms. WVU and Luck save face and don’t have to explain firing a coach with a winning percentage that lots of schools would do anything for.
But, as mentioned, I’m very disappointed with the direction of the offense the last 2 games. Some changes have to be made.
by BurghMountaineer on Oct 25, 2010 3:57 PM EDT reply actions
Winning 70% is good...
but consider the competition. I’ve asked for years to give me Stew & Co’s best wins. The Fiesta Bowl shouldn’t totally count because the most of the offensive staff from RR’s says stuck around for that game before leaving to UM.
Stewart’s best wins to me are: unranked UNC in the bowl game; Pitt last year, and….. Everyone likes to brag about beating Auburn, but forget that that team went 4-8 and got Tuberville fired.
Lets compare that to the embarrassing losses: at ECU, at Colorado, at Pitt, the punchless effort in the Gator Bowl against FSU, and now to Syracuse. Couple that with like I said needing OT to beat Marshall and the lackluster performance to open the season against a AA school… and its not so much that hes won 70%… its that there are losses that are inexplicable for a school of caliber.
i like the thought
Castell is starting to make a name for himself, would make sense, he shows a lot of emotion.
by WVUDIEHARD1976 on Oct 25, 2010 4:19 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
I voted no.
Second time this year, the first being after Marshall. I do not approve of losing to Syracuse on homecoming (or any other time, for that matter). For additional reasons, see my forthcoming response in the VORC thread.
I voted No
First no vote, I figured everyone already articulated why I voted no.
I was pissed. This is at least the 3rd time that we were obviously the better team and couldn’t get it done (Colorado, Auburn, Cuse).
I like 5YS have been trying to give Stewbeef the benefit of the doubt and give Mullen some time, but after this week I’m ready to pull the plug.
I do know that there will be no change during the season. (straight from ADOL office) So I guess that means we have to hope for the best. I’m planning for a trip to the Charlotte later in the year.
Thought: If we win out (10-2), I don’t think we should fire Stew because then we’re Nebraska with Solich (which I don’t think we’re on that level). I also felt like that cursed the Huskers for about 10 years of mediocrity that they are finally starting to pull out of.
However: If there isn’t a change in the offensive coaching staff after this year I will be disappointed.
by Oregon Mountaineer on Oct 26, 2010 12:24 AM EDT reply actions
i spoke to a nebraska fan over the weekend who told me that he used to really enjoy watching wvu play and asked why we’re never on tv anymore. i explained to him that we’re in our bill callahan era, and he solemly understood.
Callahan or Solich?
I know it’s early, but at least we’re going to bowl games every year, which is more than Callahan could say.
by Country Roads on Oct 26, 2010 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions
my first no
i haven’t given up on stewart yet, but i have on his staff. and, really, it’s just mullen.
i thought he was a mad scientist who’d created a two-headed killing machine, but this game has forced me to admit he’s more the academician who has trouble adjusting his theories to real-life applications.
and all you “yes’s” out there — every yes vote i gave was followed by my rationale no matter how ignored/ridiculed it was for its naivete, as per the bloggers’ request. iif i wasn’t willing to write, i didn’t vote.
i’m curious to see what your half-full glass contains.
Nope.
Does anyone else find it weird/pathetic that we are still getting nailed for repeated false starts, illegal formations, and illegal motion penalties this far into the season? I watched the game with my old man for the first time this season and he was asleep on the couch by halftime and I switched from drinking beer to pounding bourbon.
I would keep the bourbon near by the rest of the season.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 26, 2010 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions
When we hold the linemen in their stance as long as we do and couple that with our lame ass motion offense what you get is the receipe that we currently have. It makes my blood boil watching guys go in motion especially since we are in year three and the only people it is helping to fool are our own guys……
But didn't Wake have that 1 good year?
I’m so over hearing about Mullen and his confusing motion offense that befuddles defenses. It currently befuddles me how he has a job.
Update (while I was writing this): Didn’t we think that the 3-3-5 that supposedly befuddled offenses was doing nothing but confusing our own players and we need to go back to the 4-3 or something? Now Casteel looks like a genius and other schools are running the 3-3-5.
I’m not saying I’m willing to wait that long, but maybe Mullen does not something?
Disclaimer: I like to point out hypocrisy even if it my own, but especially if it’s 5YS’s. Also I like the word ‘befuddled’
"Thus, it is with those nurtured in Appalachia—they leave, but they look back, remembering pleasant things. The land has claimed them, and its ties will not be severed." --Maurice Brooks
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Oct 26, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
'is'
"Thus, it is with those nurtured in Appalachia—they leave, but they look back, remembering pleasant things. The land has claimed them, and its ties will not be severed." --Maurice Brooks
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by Oregon Mountaineer on Oct 26, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
33 people have answered yes
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No need to hector them, brother
I’m assuming they are Pitt fans punking the site.
Just kidding – If you truly believe in the job HCBS and his staff are doing with our beloved Mountaineers, please, tell us why you feel that way.
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by MtnEer_in_SC on Oct 26, 2010 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions
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