TSM Coaching Approval Meter (Post-USF, 2010)
Since our victory against USF was on Thursday of last week, we'll go ahead and trot out the Approval Meter a day early. Don't say I never did anything for you guys.
20-6. It's a scoreline that has something for everyone. 6 points allowed is obviously awesome, as the defense has pretty much been all year. Of course, 20 points on offense doesn't quite shake the doubters, even with the dominance on the other side of the ball.
Either way, it was 20-6 for the good guys, and anyone will take a win against a team who rain or shine has had our number. Hopefully, after Thursday, that will no longer be the case. Will that be enough to raise his approval numbers? You'll just have to vote and see for yourselves.
Last week: 64%
Season average: 50.7%
Remember, after you vote, please explain said vote in the comments. As we all know, it's the comments where things get interesting. Good day.
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Is the season average calculated by tabulating the overal votes or by averaging the weekly result?
I voted no because our offense was bad in 2008 and we were told it was a transition year and bad in 2009 and we were told the line was young and Jarrett wasn’t good and now its bad in 2010 and we’re told that it’s because we choose not to be dynamic. Besides the fact that choosing not to be dynamic is ridiculous, my biggest problem is that we have play-makers galore on offense, our o-line has not been as dreadful as it had been and we show flashes of great ability, yet we do not improve from our 20 points per game. 20 points per game probably will win us the rest of the games on our cupcake schedule, but it could be a problem in a bowl. the offense is not playing anywhere near its full potential, and i think that is a due to the coaching staff. thus, i do not approve.
It's an average of the weekly results.
I considered tabulating overall votes, but it seemed a little too labor intensive. As per usual, I took the path of least resistance.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 18, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions
as per my statistical background
you really can’t average percentages unless the sample sizes are equal
Ok then Sir Ronald Fisher.
Add up the overall votes and report back to me. I will then change the percentages.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 18, 2010 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Still YES
because a Yes at this point is better than the disruption any coaching change would entail. Though I am starting to lose my patience with the sometimes baffling playcalling and the inability to keep the pedal down.
"Heaven knows I like the taste of danger most of all" ~ Jonatha Brooke
No
This isn’t the best reason to vote no, but, you know, I don’t care…
On Saturday, I was hanging out with the 25314 and he informed me that Jock Sanders had 10 catches for 31 yards on Thursday. I was floored; I thought he was lying. But I’ve never known him to be a liar, so I just sat and shook my head for a few seconds. Much later, I went to look at the box score and sure enough he was right. Throw out his one catch for 13 yards and you are left with 9 catches for 18 yards. That’s 2 yards per catch! How is that possible?!
In short, until this ‘explosive’ offense shows a pulse against a defense worth something, I’ll continue to cast my vote no.
I am Stiles and I approve of this message.
Cherry-picking
Coming into the game, he was averaging 11 yards per reception. One game of low yards doesn’t necessarily prove a trend. If it happens again, then we can talk.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 18, 2010 1:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Did you notice
How closely their DB’s played the receivers, and how quickly they closed on the receiver after the reception. Most of the catches didn’t include YAC’s. So I don’t blame the coach for that. That’s just fine coaching by the DB coach to get them to play the man and the ball at the point of reception.
by BurghMountaineer on Oct 19, 2010 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
As frustrating as it is to watch WVU play what some poeple call “Tressel ball” and just sit on leads, I can’t change my vote till it back-fires.
No, but I'm seeing some light at the tunnel's end...
The biggest thing that bothered me the other night was we played the entire second half as if we were up 45-6, not by ONLY two touchdowns against a team that totally burned us on big plays a season ago and did the same thing to Florida in early Sept. We settled for two FGs inside the 10, which is disappointing. Getting 14 in those spots instead of 6 makes the dullness of the second half more acceptable.
We still can’t run block. While the pass blocking is getting better, the running game has been awful at best. After the Starks TD, did we throw a ball beyond 10 yards?
The defense has been ridiculous this year. This is probably the best defensive team we’ve had at least since 2004, and probably further back than that. We’re giving up just over 12 points a game… so its infuriating that our offense can’t do more to compliment the effort and work this unit has produced.
did you see Jock's comment in the Cassazza article I clipped today?
Dunlap kinda hit on this too…..Is the offense conservative because they know they don’t necessarily need to score a whole lot?
I don’t quite buy it, it’s not my opinion (or Dunlap’s necessarily)…just a posit as to what the O may be thinking
NO!
I hate taking our foot off the pedal. I like the jumbo package where we run and smash heads, but those screen passes were killing me. All they did was stack the box. Throw down field so we can open up the damn running game for Devine. Don’t be content with a 14 point lead to a team who has embarrassed us in the past. We need to be hanging 40+ on every team until then my vote stays a “HELL NO!”
You mean like that play action pass?
Or the throw to JD Woods
Or the throws to Stedman Bailey?
We ran a few to many screen/swing passes, but in past games it worked pretty well.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 18, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions
This game it did not
We did throw downfield a couple times and the TD coming off a play action in the i formation was awesome. Though i want just a few more, and don’t keep doing something that isn’t working. That screen pass was killing me.
I probably came off a little harsh, but that’s only because I wanted us to beat USF into the ground for past aggressions. I also want to see lanes opened up for Devine to run free, and not have teams stack the box.
Yes in the 1st half, no in the 2nd. 50% approval for me.
by TCfromDubVee on Oct 19, 2010 10:01 AM EDT up reply actions
Agree
We were good in the first half and missed 3 first downs by one yard in the second half. It was frustrating .
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 19, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I’m with TC. Cut the offense loose and score as much as the time allows. This downshift to eat up clock time is crap. The scores tell a story, too. And since the sports press generally does not like the Big East, we overcome low poll positions with big scores. Send a message to the polls and stop holding the offense back!!! To continue “settling” for 20 points and the win gives the sports press the ability to paint us with the same ugly brush along with the rest of the conference and a ho-hum poll position. When do you want to play your Bowl in early December??? New Years (or beyond) is he only time for the Almighty Mountain Momma!!
Exactly
I want the best bowl we can get. I’m not saying that we throw down field every down, but to not do at all is retarded. Go for the big play every once in awhile and Devine will get some breathing room and do what he does. Also those screen passes will be more effective when they have to respect the deep ball.
by TCfromDubVee on Oct 18, 2010 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions
We could win the rest of our games by 1 or by 40 and we’d still go to the same bowl. Once you’re in the BCS it’s all about your fan following.
by Country Roads on Oct 18, 2010 6:23 PM EDT up reply actions
Hawaii a few years back got national attention
Because they were hanging 60 points on everyone they played. Granted they were not contenders but they got notice, and the way the big east is playing this year we need to put some style points on the board.
I think Hawaii got ate up that year in their bowl game, but we ain’t Hawaii were Dub Vee bitches.
by TCfromDubVee on Oct 19, 2010 10:03 AM EDT up reply actions
Hawaii needed to get in the Top 12 to get into the BCS. We’ll be in the Top 10 and go to a BCS bowl if we win out, regardless of how bad we look.
And I agree that we should play (and coach) our best. I don’t think for a minute that anyone involved with the program would disagree with that. It’s not like they think “oh, let’s just take this game off for the heck of it.”
And maybe we could sneak into the title game if we started blowing everyone out. It would take another crazy scenario like we had in 2007, which isn’t likely. But I’m not sure we’re capable of that. I think we’re the best team in the Big East, but I’d still rank 10-12 teams ahead of us if you look at all conferences.
by Country Roads on Oct 19, 2010 1:32 PM EDT up reply actions
Why The 25314 Loves Bob Huggins
On guard Truck Bryant commenting that he actually prefers the Mountaineers not being ranked to start the season in order to sneak up on others …
"He’s lying," said Huggins. "Everybody wants to be in the top 10 and everybody wants their highlights on TV. I think what Truck was trying to say is that they want to go out and earn their own stripes, but the truth is, everybody wants to be on TV.
"I like to be good. I like to walk out there at half court and look at their guys and look at mine and say we ought to win – we got better guys. Now it doesn’t always work that way, particularly in this league, but I don’t think there’s anything wrong with that."
by The 25314 on Oct 18, 2010 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Find me a quote were Stew said something to the contrary.
by Country Roads on Oct 18, 2010 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions
There has been consisten rhetoric about us rather being the underdog from players and fans. As for Stew, he said something to the tune of, “we are not a top 10 team and we may never be a top 10 team” sometime in 2008.
What fans say about that is completely irrelevant. As for players…ehh…I think there’s something in people who enjoy being overlooked so they can go prove everyone wrong. It’s not like they don’t think they are good. Remember what Jock said at BE media day about WVU being the best team in the conference and that we’re going to show it?
And remember when Huggins said something about us doing a good job of showing everyone what we’re not good at? Yeah, same thing. I could clip endless quotes from Stew where he talks about our goal is to win every game, win the big east, etc. But observing that we’re not a top 10 team at some point in 2008 (obviously for the sake of motivation…like when RR used to talk about how bad we were all the time), even if taken at face value, says NOTHING about not WANTING to be a top 10 team.
by Country Roads on Oct 19, 2010 1:37 PM EDT up reply actions
HCBS wants to win.
The one criticism I never understand is when people think he does not want to win a national title or thinks everyone is better.
Y’all got mad when HCBS answered a question at halftime by saying, “We’re Mountaineers, we’ll come back.” That is showing confidence in his kids that they can come out and beat anyone.
He wants to win just as much as the next guy. He just describes in it in a non-Huggins/Fraudriguez way.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 18, 2010 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions
I agree
HCBS wants to win. No doubt in my mind he wants to win, but sometimes I question his ability to win.
Here’s to HCBS making me eat crow at the end of the season.
by TCfromDubVee on Oct 19, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Also,
Huggins thinks it’s okay that it doesn’t always work out that we win when we have better players? In other words, he thinks it’s okay to lose even if you have better talent? Talk about underachieving and accepting mediocrity!
by Country Roads on Oct 19, 2010 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions
I vote yes.
The win was more dominant than what the score indicated. The defense looks fantastic. A guy who accoutned for over 300 yards of total offense against us a year go looked absolutely lost this year. I’ll take a 14-point win against a team that has had our number like USF has any day of the week.
I'm astonished.
I can’t believe that the approval rating of a WVU coach who is 5-1 and ranked 19th and just beat another conference team by 14 points (dominated, really) had his approval rating go DOWN to 61%.
by Country Roads on Oct 18, 2010 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions
We’ll all “take” a 14 point win. But everyone knows it could have been worse and sitting on a 14 point lead for 2 quarters is kind of stupid.
If you don't approve of the job the coaching staff is doing, it doesn't sound to me like you're "taking" it.
And you act like USF didn’t or wasn’t able to make any adjustments. I remember reading a quote from Holtz about making some adjustments at the half. Now, should we have made some counteradjustments? Sure. But I think it’s easy to lose sight of the fact that there’s another team trying to stop us and just assume that when the game starts out one way, the rest of the game should play out in much the same manner. And in light of the Marshall game, it’s pretty obvious that it’s not the case.
by Country Roads on Oct 19, 2010 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions
No
1. I think Bill Stewart has improved this season as a head coach. He is still limited and not able to take WVU to a NC, in my opinion.
2. Jeff Mullen did nothing in his first 2 seasons to earn a chance to coach for a third season. He has obviously not performed well in these first 2 games.
3. We are no longer relevant in terms of national title talk.
4. This style of play will hurt WVU’s chances of scoring prized offensive talent from Florida.
5. WVU will begin to have lots of recruits from eastern PA, Maryland and other football “deathbeds” ala the latter part of the Nehlen era, due to conservatism.
6. He is a poor game manager.
7. He doesn’t have “the look” of a head coach and he continues to reflect poorly on my alma mater.
"reflect poorly"
in terms of national recognition by media, etc. that doesn’t think he’s head coaching material……this funnels down to recruits, etc……Without that assistant (who took the Marshall job) we’ll struggle in FLA.
We did just fine in FL this year without Doc.
And what evidence do you have that the media doesn’t think he’s head coaching material? Can you get a quote or something from someone? Because I certainly haven’t seen evidence of that type of thinking.
by Country Roads on Oct 18, 2010 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Cowherd blasted us when he was hired.
He said, “Never hire the loyal long time assistant.” He also talked about how lost he looked on the sidelines after our loss to Colorado.
I haven’t heard anything recently, but you can just sense that media types don’t believe in him.
I think most of the media loves him when they actually speak with him.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 18, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Maybe you get that sense.
But contrast what is said about Stew with guys like Tim Brewster, who a lot of writers came out and flat out said he wasn’t getting the job done.
I wonder if that sense comes from the praise that was heaped on RR as an innovator, etc., contrasted with comments about Stew being a nice guy, etc. Stew isn’t the flashy hire, and the only thing that makes him stand out is his nice guy persona. But I’m not sure that means that the media doesn’t think he can coach. Does that make sense at all? In other words—-just because they aren’t hyping him up as an offensive guru or defensive wizard doesn’t mean they think he sucks. He just doesn’t have any football-related trait that sticks out. Think Mark Richt, Mark Dantonio, Mack Brown—-none of them really have an identity as a coach, at least to my knowledge.
by Country Roads on Oct 18, 2010 7:39 PM EDT up reply actions
just one thing to point out
Mack Brown is Mr. February….but then again, who wouldn’t be, coaching in Texas at UT
Cowherd is a joke
He’s the reason I turn off ESPN radio. Plus, I like to listen to Stern on the Sirius.
The media definitely loves Bill Stewart. He may have a way of answering that doesn’t appeal to you, but he actually answers questions and tries to relate what he’s saying to the interviewer and the audience.
by BurghMountaineer on Oct 19, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions
I thought stars didn't matter?
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 18, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes.
1. 5-1
2. Defense is one of the best in the nation. 5th in total yards, 4th in rushing D, 4th in points allowed
3. Ranked 20th in the BCS
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 18, 2010 7:12 PM EDT reply actions
Yes, for another reason
We beat the spread (for at least two weeks in a row). All those with a different opinion are entitled to them, but when we beat the spread, we are exceeding the expectations of professionals with money on the line. Unlike those with a different opinion.
bc_bc
Still Works, for the Same Reason
Honestly, I prefer the touchdowns. However, and unlike those here who aren’t happy unless the scoreboard is lighting up like a pinball machine, I appreciate good defense equally. A shutout is rare these days, and worth rooting for.
The Louisville game last year was the worst win I have ever seen — but it still beats a loss.
bc_bc
I voted no
I voted no because I was not content with the conservative approach to the game we took in the second half. The 2nd half game plan was reflected by the quote, “We’re glad to get out of here with a win,” from our head coach.
South Florida is a below average team in a very below average conference. And the head coach continues to want to squeeze by these teams and claims “style points don’t mean a thing to Billy Stewart.” I guess I’m a little confused, if style points don’t matter, and wins is losses are all that counts, then why did he try to defend the LSU loss by saying “We just took a top 10 team down to the wire at their place?” Maybe Stu should have elaborated by explaining to us that style points matter if its a close loss only.
“Find me a quote were Stew said something to the contrary.” 5th Year puts the challenge out there. Do you recall during the 2008 season when he informed us, “We are not a top 10 team and we may never be again?” I do and I’m certain others who were as appalled as I was remember it as well. He also consistently makes references to how he loves being an underdog. I don’t have direct references to these quotes, so if you claim they never happened I suppose I’ll spend some time to dig them up, but please spare me the effort if you do honestly remember.
These comments are in stark contrast to the attitudes/quotes of Huggins/RR. Its also interesting that 5th Year lumped them together. I personally don’t take offense to that, they should be lumped together in the sense that they take similar attitudes and approaches to the directions of their respective programs. I don’t find it to be any coincidence that both men made (continue to make in Huggins’ case) their programs national powers and were always respected.
Actually,
That was me, not 5th Year. And I don’t remember Stew ever saying anytihng about not wanting to be a Top 10 team. I do remember him talking about the goal being to win every game. Now, if he is being questioned about starting the season unranked or something, what’s he supposed to say? “Welp, might as well pack it in since we didn’t start out ranked.”? If you’re the underdog, you embrace that role and tell your team to go prove everyone wrong. If you’re the favorite, you embrace that role and tell your team to go prove everyone right.
by Country Roads on Oct 19, 2010 1:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Another reason to vote no – WVU was ranked in the top 15 in 45 of the 62 AP polls before Stew took over, including 36 weeks in a row in the top 15. Stew was out of the top 15 after his second game and hasn’t been back in in the 37 weeks since.
To me, that’s not a good reason. All polls and comments are subjective to that of the person making them/voting in them. So your reasoning is a top 15 ranking and then lack there of. So let me ask you, do you think teams are ever under-ranked? Ever over-ranked? Do you believe each pollster actually sits down and thinks these things out?
I see your reasoning, but I just would never argue that as a point for me to say no.
by BurghMountaineer on Oct 19, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions
I think its a perfectly fine reason. In college football more than any other sport, perception is reality. It doesn’t matter how good you are, just how good people think you are. Under RR people perceived us as a top 10 program. And we backed it up on the field.
Now we get very little respect and are not a nationally relevant program.
by pushthebutton on Oct 19, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions
Before PW and SS
RR had a team ranked in the top 10 for like 3 weeks before getting blown out by VT and then losing at home to BC and at Pitt. What perecentage of time was he in the Top 15 without PW and SS?
by Country Roads on Oct 19, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions
We were ranked in the top 15 for 9 of the first 11 weeks in 2004 before losing our last 3 games.
We were not blown out by VT, in fact, the VT game was nearly identical to the LSU game this year.
2004 was an utter waste of talent and the worst job of coaching RR did while at WVU. I was literally talking to someone the other day about how Bill Stewart’s teams all play like the 2004 team.
We were 8-1 going into the BC game and yet there were a great many fans, including myself, that felt we had been underachieving by puddering through a cupcake schedule.
Yes, most teams would take 8-4, and yes 8-4 was better than the 8-5 record of 2003, but no one would say that 2004 was better than ’03 or more exciting just because they had a better record. Our individual parts were greater than the sum of our whole. And also our special teams were an abject disaster.
I don't understand
why you are only counting time when PW and SS weren’t around??? If Rodriguez didn’t recruit them, then I can understand why you’d omit that timeframe.
Please help me understand what you’re getting at?
I do credit RR for recruiting them.
But if you look at RR’s record with out those 2, it’s not even as good as Bill Stewart’s. So was RR that great of a coach, or did he just catch lightning in a bottle when he signed those guys (along with Schmitt and Reynaud)? It’s at least a fair question as to whether our success was a result of RR’s coaching prowess or his recruitment of those players.
And I stand corrected on the VT game (I just remember how pissed I was and how I “felt” like we got dominated for some reason) and the rankings that year (again, just went with how I felt about that season because I didn’t have time to look it up).
by Country Roads on Oct 19, 2010 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions
Exactly
he gets FULL credit because he recruited them and coached them.
Are you trying to imply he’s as good of a “gameday” coach as Rod? LOL.
I'm not implying anything.
I’m just pointing out that RR’s record (even throwing out his first season at WVU and Michigan) without PW and SS is worse than Stew’s. It’s a valid question.
Think about Tommy Tuberville at Auburn. He went 14-0 the year he had Jason Campell, Cadillac Williams, Ronnie Brown, and a host of other NFL talent. Did he recruit them? Yes. But after they were gone he finished somewhere around 8-4 every year. So is he a great coach, or did he just happen to assemble a great collection of talent? How about John Cooper at Ohio State? He had tons of talent and won big in 1997-98, then slipped after that.
And as for RR’s “gameday” ability, I would say Stew does a better job of adjusting than RR did. RR was a great gameplanner, but if his plan didn’t work, he panicked and failed to adjust. Remember all the stretch plays and bubble screens when people screamed to pass down the field? I sure do.
by Country Roads on Oct 20, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Also No
because it looks like we won’t have one win to “hang the hat on”. If we would have beaten LSU then that would have been it. To be fair, it’s not Stewart’s fault that the schedule is so bad, but it’s almost unbelievable that WVU will be (and they WILL BE) 11-1 after the regular season. The Big East is worse than the MWC and on par w/ the WAC for this season…..Stewart’s only chance for a decent win this year is in the BCS game and it better be against a team that is interested (WVU vs. Georgia Sugar Bowl in ATL) as opposed to a team that’s not interested (Oklahoma Fiesta Bowl).
That’s college football right now for WVU in a horrible conference, and it’s why you’d never see me spend 8 weekends a year at WVU games…..hell, not even 1-2 weekends.
(Cue the “fairweather fan” comments right now….Nope, just have other priorities at this point in life)
5th Year Senior, Charley, Burgh, JPF, Country—(and others who regularly attend the games) I am very curious to know from you guys…..What home game this season gets you “geeked up”? I don’t mean for this to be a trick question. There may not be any games that you specifically look at and can’t wait to attend. You may just love the atmosphere, pageantry, WVU football, etc. and that’s awesome. But I truly am curious, are there any games you have circled? I may very well be missing something/some team and re-evaluate. I’ve been intending on coming back to a game and I just don’t think this season is the best time.
A great point. I go to every home game, however that is because I live walking distance from the Stadium. If I lived several hours away I doubt it would be the case.
I guess, to answer your question, the most exciting home game this season would have to be Maryland. A Maryland team that will finish towards the bottom of a mediocre ACC…
by pushthebutton on Oct 19, 2010 1:23 PM EDT up reply actions
I'm going to the Rutgers game
It will be my first game since we beat Louisville in 05. I live in Richmond, VA now so it will be a haul. I’m geeked for it because I miss 1000’s of screaming WVU fans. I’m generally the only one here whether it be in my living room or at a bar. Might not be a national showcase game but being born n bred in WV I love coming back to my homestate.
by TCfromDubVee on Oct 19, 2010 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions
you miss the atmosphere
not a specific game….and that’s fair enough….I truly am curious of the Mountaineer fan mindset w/ this mind-numbing season schedule.
I would go to every game if I could.
I just love watching WVU play no matter who it is. There are some games I would get more pumped then others but my intensity would always be at a high level.
As for the remaining schedule what should be the best home game? Maybe Cincinatti?
by TCfromDubVee on Oct 20, 2010 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions
At the beginning of the season, I thought maybe Cincy, but not anymore.
I drive 3.5 hours for every home game (missed CCU because I was in a wedding) to cheer on WVU and enjoy the atmosphere. I really don’t care who we play. I mean, obviously some games are more exciting than others, but I’ll be there regardless.
by Country Roads on Oct 19, 2010 1:51 PM EDT up reply actions
First, let’s not rewrite history and say oklahoma was uninterested. that’s bogus. the only question before the game was whether wvu was going to be interested. that was a heck of a win. i’ll give stew all the credit in the world for keeping us focused for the task at hand, and i’ll give rich rod and calvin magee and casteel all the credit in the world for x’s and o’s.
also, i drive hours to the games each weekend because i love wvu. no, there are no games that really get me jacked up really on the schedule, but i look at it like michael bolton from office space – why should i change my name, he’s the one that sucks – why should i stop coming to games, stew/the schedule is the one that sucks.
I don't think you are a fair weather fan because you still care about WVU
Every game gets me “geeked up.” Then again, I’m a huge geek so what else do you expect? Prior to the season I was really looking forward to USF, Maryland and Cincy.
I understand not being able to make it back to every game, but did you make it to a lot of games during the Fraud era? If not, you don’t have much room to criticize the current administration for not making you want to come to town. I think you previously said you made it back to a few games during those years but I may misremember.
As for that one game normal people would circle on our schedule it was Cincy prior to the season. They were back to back Big East champs and had some good talent returning. The way they beat us the last few years was painful and I wanted revenge. Now however, no game would make you say, “I cannot miss that game in Morgantown.”
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 19, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I am likely a little older
and haven’t been back for a game in quite some time. I still watch as many games as possible, admittedly missing some of the lesser games. I must admit that I have much disdain for college football (and I’m sure many have read me state that before), but still enjoy rooting for the Mountaineers…..which places me in a bind.
College football is absolutely a fraud. It is comparable to gymnastics, diving, etc. due to the subjective nature of the sport. The primary argument against my point is that “every week is a playoff”, and that’s 100% false. Every week is a playoff for WVU (now that Rodriguez is no longer the coach and expectations have lessened). Every week is not a playoff for about 5-7 teams annually, including Ohio State, Texas, Oklahoma and USC.
Next argument is the following……“Yeah, but they were ranked higher than WVU at the beginning of the season and closer to the top of the polls. Therefore, their one loss takes them farther than WVU’s (since they’re ranked lower at beginning of season)”….
WVU and Ohio State are comparable this season…..they just are….yet OSU is ranked #10 in BCS and we’re not even sniffing the Top 10.
It’s a joke! However, that’s the disadvantage of being a WVU fan. For those who have never lived outside of WV, he/she probably thinks we’re a “big-time” program. We aren’t. However, Rodriguez took a step to becoming a big time program and now we’ve taken many steps backwards. How did Nebraska become a power??? They don’t have a great home base of talent?
You seem to contradict some things you've said before.
You talk about how WVU should be elite, etc., but here you admit that WVU is not a “big-time” program. So if you don’t think we’re “big-time”, why do you expect us to win at the same level as OSU? And for the record, I disagree about WVU and OSU being comparable this season. I don’t think its a huge gap, but I do think they have more NFL talent, particularly on the lines.
I would say that they are ranked 10 spots ahead of us because they started there (based on what they did last year and who they had coming back) and we started at #25 (based on what we did last year, especially losing the bowl game, and the fact that we were bringing in a new starting QB). Is it fair? No.
I also disagree that we’ve taken “many steps backwards.” I think we have taken some, the biggest of which was the simple fact of our coach leaving for another school. If you’re really big time, your coach only leaves for the NFL.
As for Nebraska, they became a power by dominating a lesser conference for a long period of time. Ditto Florida State (aided by talent from Florida). But Nebraska, they built tradition, name recognition, and an excellent fan base. Those elements begat money and facilities and a reputation that helps them recruit nationally. WVU can do the same thing, but it’s harder now because there is more competition for recruits, exposure, etc. I think the biggest thing, as I’ve said before, is consistency—-having the same coach win at a high level (winning the big east 2 or 3 out of every 5 years) over a long period of time.
by Country Roads on Oct 19, 2010 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We WERE elite
back in 2005-2007….as soon as Rodriguez left (not Pat White), we became ordinary.
No, we were not.
Making 2 BCS bowls in 3 years does not make a PROGRAM elite. Having sustained success over a long period of time (10-20 years) makes a program elite. Elite programs, like Bama, USC, Oklahoma, etc., are never going to be ordinary because they have the tradition, fan base, money, and recruiting base to sustain success on a consistent basis.
Along the same vein, we are not now ordinary. We are a very good program. Perhaps not great, and certainly not elite. But definitely not ordinary. UConn and Rutgers are ordinary. NC State and Boston College are ordinary. WVU is not ordinary.
by Country Roads on Oct 20, 2010 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions
We agree on some things my friend.
I think college football is a huge fraud. The system is patently unfair and prejudice to the new kid on the block. In the NFL the “traditional” powers like the Cowboys, Steelers and Bears don’t stand any better chance of winning a title than traditional cellar dwellers like the Saints.
Teams receive votes based on what they did last year, but they also receive votes based on what Three Legs McGee did in the 1952 Cotton Bowl. It is absurd that this system is celebrated year after year. College football needs a playoff and it needs to happen yesterday.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 19, 2010 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
trust me, for me at least
it’s about the atmosphere this year….the home schedule blows, no way to sugar coat that one. I get 7-8 Saturdays to experience the atmosphere and the Mountaineers in person. There was no one on the schedule I was looking forward to seeing this year at home.
But, I have to keep renewing my season tix in order to keep the seats I like, for the teams coming to visit in the coming years: Florida St, Michigan State and LSU (not in that order of appearance). Those I am looking forward to, whether they’re good or bad. It is nice to see some programs with some tradition and following to come to Morgantown.
but, it's not about seeing those other teams for me
EVER
It’s about seeing my Mountaineers live and in person.
That was one thing Huggins said coming in...
He wants people to come to the Coliseum to see WVU, not our opponents.
I come to WVU sporting events because I want to see my Mountaineers play.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 19, 2010 8:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Craig James made an interesting point during the telecast when he said that Bill Stewart doesn’t care about rankings only wins. James said that as far as Stew-Beef was concerned he would win the Big East and go to a BCS bowl. I tend to agree with James on this point and can see the validity of this approach. But…as Charley pointed out in a post last week (I think?) this is a short view. If we are to continue to be the obvious big boy in the Big East we need recruits like Devine, like Geno, like Austin and I’m not sure we can get them without a little more “style”.
I also remember complaints about RR when we didn’t run up the score on teams that we obviously were better than, which sometimes resulted in too close for comfort games. There were complaints, hell I complained that we “took our foot off the pedal”. I wonder if this overarching complaint is one where the complainers will never be satisfied unless we be break 100. I, like most of you, play football video games and I score 100 without even thinking so maybe we need to remember that “THIS ISN’T PLAYSTATION.”
One last thing regarding relevance. I’m a pastor of a mainline denominational church (so this maybe completely off your radar but…) and we often are concerned that nobody cares about what we think or do, that we’ve lost the relevance that we had 20 years ago. I often argue that if we do things so we can be relevant we are missing the point. We need to do the right things and ultimately the relevance will take care of itself.
Take Tennessee for example, Lane Kiffin came in and said a bunch of crazy crap for the stated goal of “getting people talking about the Vols.” A lot of good that did. We don’t need to necessarily be flashy we need to win and win with class. If we continue to do that we will be relevant (think Ohio State a few years back) they almost lost every game yet they still won or were in the NC.
If we need gimmicks and flash we’re Boise State. We need wins and if we get another signature win (i.e. BCS…any BCS) I think we’ll be alright.
by Oregon Mountaineer on Oct 19, 2010 1:55 PM EDT reply actions
I agree that WVU if WVU plays like a top 10 team, they’ll be ranked in the top 10, they’ll get top 10 respect and they’ll land on their feet in conference realignment. We are stuck in the big east now and all we can concentrate on is being the best we are capable of becoming and we will be just fine. i just don’t think we are the best we are capable of becoming right now.
I read this when Stewy was appointed HC in 2008 from big booster Ken Kendrick (D-Backs GM) "Oh crap, they fired the architect and kept the painter……….we are going to be mediocre. The language describing player ability coming out of fall camp this year raised expectations. We have the talent. We do not have consistant play calls that utilizes our team talent. HCBS, polleessse get a media specialist to help guide you on language before the cameras are turned on so we don’t cringe on hearing, “glad to get out of here with a win” after facing a sub-par team!

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