TSM Coaching Approval Meter (Post-UNLV, 2010)
NOTE: It's a short week, so to encourage more voting, we're moving this to the closer to the top.
A bye week and a rout cures all ills, right?
Well, maybe not, but we can agree that it feels good to beat a team into submission every now and again. What, if anything, that means for the rest of the season, I really don't know. But, we won, we won handily, and we got our players some rest into a very short week. All in all, a success.
Still, there's the matter of the Coaching Approval Meter for this week. So far, this is how the numbers have looked this season:
Last week: 39%
Season average: 48.6%
Obviously, this week will be better than last, but how much? Make your vote known, and then after, please explain as best as possible in the comments. OK, enough intro, go to it.
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No. But it’s the first game Stew has built up equity. Finish out the season playing like this and I can start to believe.
Is it possible...
…that a game where everything finally “clicks” was needed so that the coaches knew what to replicate week-to-week? I might be reaching, but it kind of makes sense in my head.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 12, 2010 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions
totally agree
I’ve consistently voted no since the start of last season… this was a 1-4 team we played where our guys were just way faster at all 11 positions on both teams. Not much coaching can do to really improve on the hand already dealt.
If they keep it up, beat USF, don’t screw around and need Devine to be magical to win 17-9 against Syracuse at home, I’ll begin to differ my opinion, but as for now, its still a ‘no’.
Gotta go with no...
I don’t really give credit for beating a team which you are completely superior to and to whom you are favored to beat by 3 TDs.
They did what they should have done this week, which is easily handle an outgunned / inferior team.
At this point,it will take finishing the conference schedule undefeated (which is entirely attainable based on the level of competition in the Big East this year) and being extremely competitive in a BCS bowl game for me to switch over to the “Approve” camp.
’’They've done studies you know... 60% of the Time, it works every Time...’’ – Brian Fantana
YES
I really can’t think of anything to criticize this week. We did exactly what we needed to do against an inferior opponent.
Unfortunately, my carrier pigeon died last week. It was attacked by a cardinal with teeth while flying over Kentucky.
I am still decidedly undecided
It’s a fools errand to draw too many conclusions from this week. This win will only be important if it can be carried over to the rest of the season. Sure, we played great and there’s nothing to criticize, but God help us if the opposite were true against UNLV.
That said, this type of offense was what a lot of us were waiting to see. Variety, efficiency, etc. You name it, we did it. Now, we just have to continue that in games further on down the line. Do that, and my vote may stray towards “yes.”
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 12, 2010 2:06 PM EDT reply actions
NO NO NO
We beat the nevada school for the blind wow. We should have killed them and we did. Now as for coaching – 1. I still saw problems why are we not fair catching punts? 2. If you have six flags you should be an amusement park not a mountaineer defense. Lastly, please line up and impose your will as an offensive line. We were dominating but still we relied on mis-direction or gadgets. Line up hit the opponet in the snot locker and run straight ahead. There is more but I am tired of typing and tired of hcbs and his staff.
Have you ever seen Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps in the same place at the same time?
by cleveland sucks on Oct 12, 2010 2:14 PM EDT reply actions
On short kicks...
It is safer to let it bounce, instead of running up and attempting to catch it. We could’ve lined up closer, but then you would’ve been mad if the ball were kicked over there head.
I think 25314 mentioned lining Hogan and Jock deep and not so deep in punt formation, but I thought we only had Jock or Hogan back alone for most kicks. I’m probably wrong though because I have the attention span of a two year old in a candy store.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 12, 2010 7:58 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
maybe the first time
but if we realize thatt the kid is lucky to get of a 40 yarder then line up 35 or 40 yards back. By we I mean our coaches.
Have you ever seen Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps in the same place at the same time?
by cleveland sucks on Oct 14, 2010 10:07 AM EDT up reply actions
Three of those flags were total BS calls
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 12, 2010 8:00 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
none the less
they happened. no need to drill a kid like that. They have been calling it all year long. hit him and wrap him up rahter than leading with a shoulder and the flag stays in.
Have you ever seen Mike Tomlin and Omar Epps in the same place at the same time?
by cleveland sucks on Oct 14, 2010 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
I'm still in the YES camp
Granted it was against a piss-poor team in UNLV, but there was a lot there to like.
Explosive plays (first drive: 80 yds 3 plays / second drive: 68 yds 4 plays)
Solid defense (44 minutes of shut-out ball)
Good recruiting (after they got over their stage fright, the second team offense put together a good looking 46 yard drive for a touchdown)
"Heaven knows I like the taste of danger most of all" ~ Jonatha Brooke
Thanks, brah!
The wife started getting a little bored after we scored our fifth unanswered touchdown.
"Heaven knows I like the taste of danger most of all" ~ Jonatha Brooke
by MtnEer_in_SC on Oct 12, 2010 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
just like every other week. Nothing he has done could be done exponentially better than his replacement might do.
I bet y'all cant guess how I voted?
We beat a team the way we should and looked pretty stout on defense all day.
Our young guys got some good work and showed the cuppard is not bare after Devine and Jock are in the NFL.
As usual I’m a happy camper!
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 12, 2010 7:54 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
NO!!!!!
First, WVU will finish w/ an overall record of 5-1 (11-1). I don’t even think it’s debatable. We are so superior to every team in the Big East. Our defense is playing well this season. I truly believe this is the weakest schedule since John Denver christened Mountaineer Field.
Again, many point to the obvious Nehlenisms, “gee-whillaker”, gosh-darnit and “about spilled my hot fudge sundae when I saw UNLV on film” as the reasons I don’t like Stewart. And you’re absolutely right…..but to a small degree.
It’s the things he says during post game pressers, etc. that also contribute to my belief that he is not a viable head coach at WVU. For instance, this past week style points were brought up in the presser. He went on and on about when “I was younger” and “how things used to be done”, and I don’t “buy into style points”, etc. This was my sequential thought process:
1. Is WVU in the NFL?—because style points truly don’t matter
2. Is he really that dumb? What does he mean style points don’t matter???? Of course they matter. Style points will be the determining factor in the NC picture this season. If you think Boise St is going to have a shot at a title game by beating San Jose St by 10 then you haven’t been paying attention. However, if they continue to dominate teams by 4-5+ touchdowns every week that is going to keep them in the conversation and make it very difficult to remove them due to their preseason ranking, which is HUGE in terms of the BCS formula/ranking…..Style points matter more in college football than in any sport and everyone knows it. You see it all the time when teams jump others because of one-sided wins. It happens because college football is one of the only subjective sports.
I don’t know if he says these things because he attempts to garner support from a fanbase that is mostly agrarian/traditional or if he truly believes it. No matter it shows a weakness from him in that he’s unwilling to consider change/adaptation, etc. and that is a flaw I don’t want from someone who holds the most important position at my alma mater.
I laughed aloud when you called our fan base “agrarian.”
Also, it’s not so much that he said style points don’t matter – almost all coaches will say that – but that I think, unlike other coaches, he actually believes it and that he had to talk for 5 minutes about himself to say ridiculous things to go with it.
Your point that he is lost in the past is also probably on taget. Before the LSU game he said we needed to play Bear Bryant and Don Nehlen football. One hasn’t coached in 10 years, the other 30. The game is evolving, is our coach?
I also disagree with Stew, but only to a point.
Sometimes style points don’t matter. This year they certainly don’t for WVU, especially now that we lost a game. If we win the rest of our games by 1, we will end up ranked around 10th and go to a BCS bowl. If we win the rest of our games by 40, we will end up ranked around 7th and go to a BCS bowl.
Other than that, the only place style points really matter is when voters have to decide between teams with the same or similar records for who gets to play for the championship. And at that point, it’s as much about schedule as it is about margin of victory. If OSU and Oregon both go undefeated, I really think they will play for the national championship regardless of what Boise and TCU do. Now if you get another BCS team in there like, say, Nebraska, then you have to start thinking about which team looks the best.
Or maybe LSU is a better example. Would voters give them the benefit of the doubt because they play in the SEC, or would voters look at the wins over Tennessee and Florida and say “wow, LSU shouldn’t have won those games, they’re probably not as good as their record indicates”? My guess is the latter. But what choice did LSU have there? It’s not like they could have done more and called the dogs off. They just flat out got lucky.
So really, “style points” only matter when you win by 21 and you could have won by 35 but instead you called off the dogs. I’m not sure how much voters would really look at that. Maybe they would notice if your average score was 42-10 as opposed to 28-10, all other things being equal.
Again, I’m not saying that style points never matter. I just think you’re looking at the issue a little too simplistically and blowing this one thing out of proportion because you don’t have anything else you can criticize Stew about this week.
by Country Roads on Oct 13, 2010 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions
I May Be Crazy....
but all the Big East bashing aside, I would say WVU is still in a position where style points might matter. If we run the table, we will be one of several teams with only one loss, and I actually believe that the SEC champ this year might wind up being a two-loss team, unless Les Miles keeps working miracles for what has got to be the most unhappy, undefeated fansbase in America, in which case our one loss would have a lot of weight.
I don’t think the Big Ten will produce an undefeated team this year. Oregon looks unbeatable, but then, so did Alabama.
Now, I don’t think an 11-1 WVU team means we get a shot at the Title game, necessarily, but you really never know. So, I would say peddle to the metal…Mr. Mullen, from here on out.
Since, I am in favor of a playoff, I hope each and every year for a NC game that will piss everyone off: WVU vs. LSU rematch, Boise vs. WVU, or the one that really would bring about some kind of playoff – Boise vs. TCU. Let the Big Six conferences get left out one time and just see what happens.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
You're exactly right (Fanshawe)
you never know, and WVU is going to win out…..there’s no way they don’t…..but the style points will be HUGE in its difficult task.
by WVUColumbus on Oct 13, 2010 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions
This is a HUGE deal to criticize him about.....
you admit that we would be about #7 instead of #10 at end of season. That proves my point that style points matter. Style points are never going to be the difference in 10 spots but 3-4 like you referred. Say we have a crazy year like ‘07 where only 2-3 teams have one loss and the rest have 2. You’re telling me that if we blew out the remaining schedule w/ one close loss at LSU at night then we’d have NO shot at a title??? Perhaps not, but the style points DO matter.
Come on Stewart…Show an ability to broaden horizons, evolve and grow as a football coach.
by WVUColumbus on Oct 13, 2010 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Style points matter but only a little
We could blow out every team by 50 points from here on out and not finish ahead of a 1 loss tOSU, Oklahoma, Nebraska or Bama.
Tradition is the most important thing in college football. If your program has won a national championship in the past, your current team is judge as being better than other teams with the same record. It is a sad fact, but WVU lacks the tradition of other possible one loss teams.
Go back to ‘07. It took a miracle scenario of upsets to put us in a position to be in the national title picture with one loss. We would’ve finished behind USC, LSU and tOSU
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 13, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions
We also started a lot higher in 2007.
And played a tougher schedule. Both of those things have a lot more to do with making the BCS title game than margin of victory. And the difference between #7 and #10 in the grand scheme of things is . . . what, exactly? Quick, name the teams who finished #7 and #10 in the coaches’ poll in 2003! I’m going out on a limb and guessing that you can’t without looking it up. So what’s the BIG deal about it?
by Country Roads on Oct 13, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions
I will concede
That if we are among 3-4 teams with 1 loss, style points would factor into the equation. But I maintain that you’re making too big a deal out of it. And here’s why:
We beat Coastal Carolina 31-0. Would we look that much better if we had beat them 52-0? We beat Marshall by 3 in OT. We really didn’t have the chance to run up the score there anyway. We beat Maryland 31-17. I’ll grant you that 38-10, or 45-3 would look better. We lost to LSU. Kind of hard to play for style points in a loss. We beat UNLV 49-10. Is there anything you think Stew should have done differently in this game, given that we have USF coming up tomorrow? Because I don’t think there is.
So given the way the season has played out so far, do you think that scoring 21 more points against an FCS school and beating Maryland by more than 14 would make the difference if it was between 11-1 WVU, 11-2 Alabama, 12-1 Oklahoma, and 12-1 Florida State?
I don’t. I think if we go out and dominate the rest of the way, whether that means 31-17 or 49-10, people will notice that we are dominating, regardless of the final score. And even then, I still don’t think that’s enough to get us in. But that’s just my objective view of the national landscape.
by Country Roads on Oct 13, 2010 1:02 PM EDT up reply actions
like the golf adage
it’s not the drive, but how you arrive…..meaning a big start isn’t near as important as a big finish
CR...
I would reference 1988 regarding this argument. We beat everyone, and beat them badly…our closest margin of victory was 12 against Virginia Tech. I do think that 52-0 at Coastal, 45-3 vs. Maryland, say 41-17 vs Marshall, would have made a pretty big difference in rankings and national perception.
I have to disagree with your last paragraph. I was once a sportswriter at a small daily, and watched our sports editor fill out his AP poll and believe me, the last week’s score mattered, because in a sport as regional as college football, it just wasn’t possible to know how all these teams were doing, so a lot of decisions fell back to who the teams had played and how they won.
Coaches’ Poll same thing, 60-something coaches filling out polls based on results in the agate page of the paper, because watching film of their next opponent far outweighs taking the poll seriously. One coach even told me he had a GA fill out his poll and then he would approve it….
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
Fair enough.
I’m not saying that it doesn’t ever matter, but I think the times it matters are few and far between. But that’s just my opinion.
by Country Roads on Oct 13, 2010 11:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Well, I Think It Matters A Lot Less Now Than In 1991-93
when I was around it. Now, we have the BCS, which, much as it leaves something to be desired, is an improvement. At least 1 and 2 get to meet now…
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
by JP Fanshawe on Oct 14, 2010 12:01 AM EDT up reply actions
I understand getting on HCBS...
For poo-pooing style points, but as usual, you are going a little overboard in your criticism of HCBS.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 13, 2010 12:06 PM EDT up reply actions

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