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WVU Students: Intimidating or Idiots?

Some of you may be tired of talking about it but watch me disregard your feelings and talk about it anyway. No, I will not talk about our great football coach Bill Stewart again. Instead, I am going to dive head first into the seemingly endless debate on student misbehavior at WVU sporting events.

The students terrible behavior reared its ugly head again during Saturday’s game against tOSU. There were countless times on TV that you could hear "Fuck U Turner," "Fuck the Buckeyes," or "Fuckeyes" chants. While these are all very original cheers, which took hours to think up, they need to stop.

One of the toughest places to play is Cameron Indoor and those nerds don't curse out opposing teams.  They come up with classic chants like "Sheed can't read." That is funny and could really get into a players head.  I don't want to become Duke, because annoying white guys that flop a lot are not fun to watch, but intimidating teams without looking like uneducated morons can be done.

More ranting after the jump...

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While our fanbase will never have a spotless image, we could at least make an attempt to clean it up. After the Uconn game, countless national and local media outlets praised WVU’s students and our fanbase in general, for our handling of Jasper Howard’s death. Positive media attention, for a group that is normally considered couch burning hillbillies, was a good thing but it did not last as we were later voted worst in the Big East in fan behavior.

Our students do not need to be angels, but some originality from them in their cheers, would go a long way to helping our University’s image.

I am not advocating kicking students out for cursing, you will never stop anyone from doing that randomly at games. What I am advocating is the end of ignorant cheers like, "Luke’s a Faggot" and "Fuck whoever we are playing" cheers. It is not intimidating and only serves to hurt our image.

While I was a student my favorite chant was "Troy likes boys." It gets across the same message as the Luke cheer, but in a less derogatory manner.

I end by posing this question to you:

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What do you think of the students' cheers during the Ohio State game?
Intimidating
95 votes
Idiotic
586 votes

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I feel like an old fart but...

Our enthusiasm could be used in a much better manner. Hell, even just jumping up and down and saying OOOOOO would make me happier than F -- whatever you can think of. Stop being idiots.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 26, 2010 3:03 PM EST reply actions  

I thought I would get killed by some of you

I am in the majority for a change.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 26, 2010 3:45 PM EST reply actions  

I voted idiotic, but I still feel that “Luke is a Faggot”.

There is no originality with the students. To yell “Fuck…” comes off as moronic, and it gives reason for all other fan bases to say “What do you expect they are from West Virginia”. A phrase I’ve heard countless times in my day.

I may be coming off as an old fart too, but I think the fans in my day(mid-late 80’s) were very intimidating. Jon Chaney said that Morgantown was the “scariest and most intimidating place to play.” He hated playing there when Temple was in the Top 5 year in and year out. Unfortunately, the Cat-House just isn’t that intimidating anymore, but I think it could be.

by EatSchmittPitt35 on Jan 26, 2010 3:53 PM EST reply actions  

I don’t condone the uncreativity, however Turner brought it on himself by taunting the student section during the game, which most people don’t mention, or just didn’t notice….also, some of our players thought that it must have gotten in his head (Bob Hertzel article that im not going to link), although i’d imagine Ebanks was much more responsible for his second half decline.

by asmith1022_2006 on Jan 26, 2010 3:55 PM EST reply actions  

It does not matter that he was strutting.

Boo him every time he touches the ball or chant “Turner Touches Balls” when he gets the ball. Hell just do something other than Fuck blah blah blah

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 26, 2010 4:25 PM EST up reply actions  

tuner likes ball whould have been a good cheer

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by WVPiratesfan on Jan 26, 2010 4:26 PM EST up reply actions  

It's laughable, at best

that you think “Sheed can’t read” is classic. If our students were to say something like that, they would probably be reprimanded for how “illiteracy isn’t something to joke about,” or something along the lines of being racist, etc. No matter what the students do, no one will ever be pleased by it. Yes, I am a student, but no I did not yell obscenities, nor did I condone the numerous chants with “F—-” whoever. The double standard we are held to is ridiculous and I honestly don’t see the students’ behavior changing.

by KG2105 on Jan 26, 2010 4:29 PM EST reply actions  

Were the students praised for their actions during the UConn game?

Yes they were. Y’all did an amazing job with your support of the UConn football team for that game. I was absolutely amazed at the level of class that was shown.

Stop playing the victim card, it gets old. The students do get unfairly picked on at times but y’all bring a lot of it on yourselves by your actions and lack of remourse for those actions. There are bad apples in every student body but when there is a constant repetition of the same actions, there is a problem. (showing up late and leaving early, constant fuck whatever chants, etc…)

The first step towards a solution is admitting there is a problem. Everyone sees this but the students themselves, it is time to organize and get some original chants going.

BTW, it people were critical of the “Sheed can’t read” chant. I would blast them. Everything you say can offend someone but saying something that offends or is seen as wrong by a vast majority of people is, you guessed it, WRONG.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 26, 2010 4:47 PM EST up reply actions  

OK 5YS, stop flexing your muscles against a student, you are going a little overboard to try to get your point across, we get it.

by EatSchmittPitt35 on Jan 26, 2010 5:23 PM EST up reply actions  

Suggestion to Maniacs

I attended the game, first one in 15 years. Great atmosphere, I cringed at the F Turner….but I am getting older. Don’t know if the Maniacs do this, but I have seen in my travels “Student Info Sheets” that the students/Maniacs put together that has odd info on each visiting player and a couple of suggested chants. I know Duke, Illinois and Wisconsin do it. The Dookies just prepare a bit. If you prepare for an arguement you sound intelligent, if you don’t….you just end up swearing…..Can’t be that difficult…..Heck, I read “Club Trillion” blog and know that Evan Turners teammates call him “The Villain”…. ez stuff to find.

Moun Ted

by Moun Ted on Jan 27, 2010 11:54 AM EST up reply actions  

Not playing the victim card at all.

Simply making a statement.

Showing up late and leaving early is never an issue with basketball, only with football. While we’re on that subject, I hate the fact of how much football games for most students have become just “social events” first, a “football game” second, and then LASTLY an opportunity to actually cheer for WVU.

While there is an (obvious) problem, as I said before, I just don’t ever see the chants or behavior changing. As you said, the students don’t see anything wrong with it, and even if we do get letters from Ken Gray, or get mentioned in the paper, what difference does that really make?

by KG2105 on Jan 26, 2010 5:06 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 26, 2010 9:39 PM EST up reply actions  

The reason....

the football games are now “social events” is because the expectations of WVU football have been diminished in 2 years. It was like that towards the end of the Nehlen era as well.

by WVUColumbus on Jan 28, 2010 8:19 AM EST up reply actions  

I hate to break it to you

but it was very prevalent during Rod’s years.

by WVUIE97 on Jan 28, 2010 8:20 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree.

As a student through the Fraud years, students wanted to drink more than watch football. I would get there when the gates opened for prime seats on the 50 and the section behind me would not fill up until midway through the first quarter.

This is not a last few years thing. Your hatred of Stew seriously clouds your otherwise good judgment. It is tiresome and I only respond so others realize you are off your rocker when it comes to WVU football.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 28, 2010 9:40 AM EST up reply actions  

Actually,

I agree w/ you (had to take a shot at our sorry head coach, though….it was like that during the 80s and 90s as well. It’s always been like that in Morgantown for WVU football games. There are explanations in my opinion.
1. WVU is known to be one of the best party schools annually (along w/ Arizona St, Penn St, and others)…..Eggs and beer at 7 in the morning equals drunkenness by 1030.
2. Many WVU students are from the Delmarva area as well as PA/NJ. Although they become insane fans of WVU, it’s not in their blood during the initial years of their college experience.
3. Attending WVU football games is included in tuition expenses (or at least it once was), and therefore you have more fans attending for the entire game experience and not just the game (a ticket would get you.)
4. WVU is a great school in many programs, and not so great in many other programs. WVU typically gets the 2nd and 3rd tier students from those seaboard states I alluded to earlier, whereas it gets West Virginia’s 1st and 2nd tier students. Behavior is directly proportional to academic prowess…….there are certainly exceptions, yet for the most part this is true.
5. WVU is one of a very few respectable athletic programs that doesn’t have football or b-ball national champ. hardware in its trophy case and the fans are clamoring for it badly, hence behavior during the Tremain Mack Miami game and also the Pitt game.

Could probably come up w/ more…..It should be known that MANY schools have identical prblems of behavior, but we are pretty bad……not that it really matters.

by WVUColumbus on Jan 28, 2010 6:44 PM EST up reply actions  

The problem

Is that these things are not enforced. Do not blame the students for saying what we would all like to, just in unison and in a gathering of several thousand. They are young and stupid, yes, but they won’t stop until they are punished for doing so. Duke would do these things too, but there private school administration would throw the whole student section out if it did. They are creative because they have to be. So let’s not rip the student section for being young andd stupid (and drunk) but blame the administration for not doing anything about it.

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by willgarr15 on Jan 26, 2010 6:06 PM EST reply actions  

You really think Duke is that strict? I have no idea either way, but I feel like it would be difficult to enforce something like this.

by Country Roads on Jan 26, 2010 7:35 PM EST up reply actions  

i went with who cares. i think we assume people across the country are evaluating what kind of fans people are at all times. i doubt any disinterested party remembers the behavior at the uconn game or the chants at the ohio st. game.

by The 25314 on Jan 26, 2010 6:51 PM EST reply actions  

I'd like to see the sign board go during introductions too.

I agree with 5th, and unfortunately, the national reputation of WVU fans is often “jackass” , along with all the nice stuff about passionate, travel well, loyal, etc…
I wouldn’t take my children to courtside seats if they were given to me.
Anyway, i find the sign boards during opponent introductions infantile. If we can’t remember something as simple as that, it doesn’t need to be yelled at games. The signs looked goofy every time I’ve been in the building. Only reason I can think that a paid staff member holds them up is to prevent the students from saying “sucks ass” or “fucks goats” or something equally vulgar. Any thoughts?

by jbseay on Jan 26, 2010 7:35 PM EST reply actions  

I have no problem with “Eat Shit Pitt” cause it’s a classic, but “F- the Buckeyes” and “F- You Turner” made me cringe on Saturday. I know the students can do better than that. At the Duquesne game, they chanted “Oompa Loompa” every time this really short Duquesne guy touched the ball. It was hilarious.
I remember Belein used to tell the students to stop with the vulgar chants, but Huggins doesn’t seem to care.

by Mountain Mama on Jan 26, 2010 8:14 PM EST reply actions  

yea but that guy really did look like an Oompa Loompa lol, coming up with something that rhymes with turner and is funny isn’t really easy, and its not like the kid had a criminal history, like Marcus Vick or Lavance Fields. I remember during the Pitt game last year while Dejuan Blair was shooting free throws the student section started chanting his mother’s name, Blair appeared to think it was hilarious because he just glanced over and laughed on his way to the bench.

by asmith1022_2006 on Jan 26, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

I couldn’t care less that they used obscenities in their chants. Is it immature? Yes. Does it make our university look bad? Sorta. Are they the only ones who do it? Not by a long shot. Can we do anything about it by constantly complaining? Nope.

I just simply don’t care, much like I didn’t care when Janet Jackson’s titty popped out in an MTV backed publicity stunt during the superbowl some years ago. As long as it isn’t racial or too personal (ie an opponents family member is gunned down and the crowd chants “driveby” or something comparable), it really doesn’t matter. If you are offended by it you need to get out more. If your kids are traumatized by it you’ve done a piss poor job of parenting to rear such a fragile individual.

If I had to choose between the students not coming (which we’ve had in the past), or chanting obscenities at a player who’s acting like a dick I’ll pick the latter.

by Q-tip Motha on Jan 26, 2010 9:56 PM EST reply actions  

"If your kids are traumatized, you've done a piss poor job"

I don’t want my children around it because I don’t want to explain those words and phrases to a five year old. You’re being a little broad in that characterization there dude.

Wasn’t the Mountaineer Maniacs organization introduced to help bring better sportsmanship to the student section?

by jbseay on Jan 27, 2010 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

Maniacs....

Is that what they were created for? I haven’t seen much of that. I am a member just for the guaranteed football tickets

by The Squirrel Hunter on Jan 27, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Hey Q-tip Motha, bad language makes anybody look bad anytime – not sorta. It reflects a cultural degradation and when not reigned in right away reflects poorly on the whole of West Virginia University. Somebody needs to take the lead to get on the student body’s last nerve to stop it – now! I don’t want to hear gripes of impeding free speech either. And….no, us old grads won’t join the young lads until they clean it up! We are alot better than this on and off the court.

by atlpowderhorn on Jan 27, 2010 8:40 AM EST reply actions  

What!?!?!?!

This kids are much better behaved then what the students used to be like. If you do not like it, stay home. I go to alot of the games and the only time I usually hear any type of fould language is when the refs blow a call.

by oldblueandgold on Jan 27, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

You may need a hearing aide.

There is foul language coming from all sections after a blown call. That is not what a lot of us are talking about.

We are opposed to the chants and cheers that feature foul language – other than Eat Shit Pitt. “Fuck You Turner” or “Luke’s A Faggot” have no place in sports. It just shows your lack of intelligence.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 27, 2010 10:39 AM EST up reply actions  

Hearing aide is not needed

Again, who really cares what the students say. Yes the students could come up with better chants but does it really matter. I love the state and WVU. Most people think of West Virginia as backward is due to TV shows and movies potraying its people as hillbillies not because of what the students chant at a game.

by oldblueandgold on Jan 27, 2010 11:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Does it help or hurt ?

It only hurts the negative stereotypes to have our student section making those chants on national TV.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 27, 2010 11:27 AM EST up reply actions  

Who care's about stereotypes?

I’ve been stereotyped my entire life. Win a National Championship and it will all go away!

by cabincreekzeke on Jan 27, 2010 11:35 AM EST up reply actions  

I LOVE IT!

i say yell FUCK YOU at every opposing player that steps into the Coliseum. Make them want to jump into the stands and fight you. I think vulgarity and obsenities are great! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK STUDENTS!

by cabincreekzeke on Jan 27, 2010 11:11 AM EST up reply actions  

This is...

…on Huggin’s shoulders. He’s spent the last three seasons demanding support from the students, and now he’s got it. If he thinks the Students should clean it up, he’s the only one who can do it. Ken Gray cannot.

Remember Beilein? He once silenced the student section with a look, and all they were chanting was either “Asshole” or “Bullshit” which has been chanted every year by the student section since the Coliseum’s inception. The behavior is in Huggins’ hands, it’s up to him, and I don’t think he has a problem with it.

by aaronhawley on Jan 27, 2010 9:27 AM EST reply actions  

First Admendment

Who cares what the students do as long as it does not interfere with what is happening on the court. With our society becoming more and more PC, the students have calmed down quite alot over the years. I can remember a football game at Mountaineer Field in the early 80’s when the students where having a cup fight in the student section and hurting no one else. The president of the university said over the pa system “Stop throwing the cups or your student tickets will be taken away.” The students stop briefly to start chanting “F*** You” and continued throwing the cups.
Why does WVU have to be like every other school in the country? Why aren’t you liberals complaining about when the opposing team is introduced and the students hold up signs that say “Suck Eggs”, “Who Cares”, etc. The reason that teams hate playing at WVU is that the fans and students are loud and have no sympathy for the visiting team.

by oldblueandgold on Jan 27, 2010 9:32 AM EST reply actions  

You have a right to do what you like

but when we call you an idiot for doing it, don’t cry about it.

The reason that teams hate playing at WVU is that the fans and students are loud and have no sympathy for the visiting team.

You can be loud and intimidating without chanting “Fuck whomever we are playing.” That is not intimidating. Every school in the nation can chant “Fuck ____.” Find something original that will get in their head, that they do not hear every night.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 27, 2010 10:44 AM EST up reply actions  

Also I'm not a liberal

Wanting people to show some respect by not cursing over and over and over to others is not political, it is common courtesy.

Being at a game does not suspend the normal notions of how people are supposed to behave.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 27, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Not politics

Should have explained myself better. When I use the term liberal, I mean thin skinned, easily offended.

by oldblueandgold on Jan 27, 2010 11:09 AM EST up reply actions  

I understand what you are saying but

It seems as if the only ones that do not see a problem with it, are the ones doing it. I don’t want to limit random cursing because good lord I would be thrown out of every game I attend. But it just looks bad on TV when our section can’t cheer without saying Fuck _ it is just totally unnecessary.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 27, 2010 11:33 AM EST up reply actions  

Well, I Am A Liberal....

…I prefer “Progressive,” but whatever…I am not easily offended. I prefer to fight back! I have a rather extensive history in heckling (I was once thrown out of Three Rivers the year Bonds came back as a Giant, and I never swore once and I had most of the section pleading with the yellow jackets to let me stay)…and the comedians in the bunch, the ones who can get inside the other team’s head always win. Resorting to what some would call obscentity, or profanity, is, well, weak. I crack my section up, regularly, with inventive shouts. I’m talking football. I rarely attend basketball. But it is alI the same. I have found, in college athletics, and especially, minor league baseball, that jeers involving food, are incredibly effective. These are still kids, they are still growing, and several people chanting something like: “he looks hungry…you hungry? how about a cheeseburger? Man, wouldn’t a cheeseburger be great right now?” Well, it works. And if whatever food item you first choose, doesn’t work, you just keep changing it until you find one that does. I swear I “helped” a Bronx kid miss seven free throws in a row by shouting at him how much I wanted a knish with brown mustard….

….humans are visceral creatures, which is why “Luke Is A Faggot,” pales in comparison to “Luke Touches Balls.” The former feels like prejudice, stinging you, which is why it is easliy ignored, and, therefore, inconsequential. The latter makes everyone, crowd and players, chuckle, which means, it can’t be ignored….which means it might have an effect.

Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.

by JP Fanshawe on Jan 28, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions  

I chose idoitic but only because there wasn't a better answer

The chants themselves are not intimidating, it’s the noise that springs from these chants. If everybody yelled, “Oooohhhhhhhhhhh” and jumped around, it would be just as effective as chanting “asshole” at a guy, but students prefer the chant. I would prefer they chant something more clever, but to this point, that hasn’t happened. So I guess I’m saying I’m for anything that gets the crowd involved – whether it be chanting “asshole” or the requisite playing of Cotton Eye Joe. It makes for a better atmosphere.

by couchburner on Jan 27, 2010 9:54 AM EST reply actions  

That is what I am talking about.

Be loud, you don’t need to curse your lungs out to be intimidating. Loud is more intimidating than a bunch of morons chanting fuck.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 27, 2010 10:45 AM EST up reply actions  

I agree...

although i find humor in obsenities, louder is definately better.

by cabincreekzeke on Jan 27, 2010 11:24 AM EST up reply actions  

I didn't hear it

I was watching the game, but with twin almost 3 year olds running around, I pretty much heard nothing.

Question for those of you who would know better than I:

Couldn’t these F-bomb chants lead to a bench T? I might be mistaken, but I think that the refs could just get tired of hearing it and start issuing T’s against the bench. If that’s the case, that would bake HuggyBear slap the scorers table harder than hanging on the rim, as he did last night.

Maybe that’s the answer, if they get a Technical, then Huggs will demand they stop the nonsense of cussing just to cuss.

Am I right, sort of right, or way off here?

by BurghMountaineer on Jan 27, 2010 10:12 AM EST reply actions  

I do not think a ref can give a T for that but

if they could, Huggs would put an end to it really quick.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Jan 27, 2010 10:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Huggins...

is worse than the students. He doesn’t care. The students language can’t hold a candle to what comes out of Huggins mouth. Just win baby, i don’t care what you say!

by cabincreekzeke on Jan 27, 2010 11:13 AM EST up reply actions  

Huggins is the coach...

and we can’t hear him on the broadcast. Be sure if you could he would probably have to go talk to somebody.

Also the “other people do so we can” argument is lame and unhelpful. Be the bigger person. I was a student, I got drunk, I even start a cheer of F___ the guy next to me, (which I think is clever and a good use of obscenity and the chant), but come on be original or creative don’t just be drunk and loud.

However I will disagree with 5ys I don’t like anything that uses the term “faggot” and I didn’t like the “Troy likes boys” chant either but maybe I’m a thin skinned liberal.

I did appreciate a few years back an opposing player was accused of stealing a computer and the crowd chanted “where’s my laptop” while at the line, and surprisingly he flinched.

Maybe I don’t use as much obscenity in public because I’m a pastor, or maybe a dad, probably because I’m adult and have two master’s degrees I don’t need to cuss to make some feel stupid.

Who knows maybe I’m just old.

by Oregon Mountaineer on Jan 27, 2010 3:51 PM EST up reply actions  

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