TSM Coaching Approval Meter (Post-Gator Bowl, 2010)
by Dr. Charley West on Jan 14, 2010 1:00 PM EST
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Better late than never, right? I'm pretty sure that's a real, honest phrase, so that's my cover for posting the Coaching Approval Meter on January 14th, even though the Gator Bowl was on New Year's Day.
Hopefully, the two week respite has given you time to cool down and think rationally about the whole situation. Or, if you're like me, still tripping on mescaline and balls deep in Filipino hookers. To each his own, I guess.
You know the drill: vote, then give us the lame reasoning behind your vote. Make sure you openly disregard anyone's logic and insert your own, stupidly formed ideas instead. Like we've been doing every week.
Good luck.
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kind of like Herpes
Two weeks later and it keeps oozing back to the surface. Post game grades haven’t improved just because it’s basketball season. Should have won the game!
BIG NOOOOO
There are many reasons I gave the staff a NO here…but numero uno would be HCBS’s excuse for not unleasing Noel in the second half…..“i wanted to spread the ball around to our other players”…not the word for word quote, but close enough. This makes it obvious to me, as much as i hate saying it, that HCBS didn’t care what the outcome of the game was.
Yes
Let’s see:
Beat Pitt? (Oh hell yes)
Top 25 finish? (Yes, but just barely)
Better record than last year? (Nope, but we didn’t go backwards)
Beat Pitt? (Oh hell yes)
Once a Mountaineer, always a Mountaineer.
Yes
Not only beat Pitt, but knocked them out of BE Championship contention…nice.
We do not live to be able to eat and make money. We eat and make money to be able to enjoy life. That is what life means and that is what it is for.
--George Leigh Mallory
So we played spoiler instead of the one being spoiled and beat Pitt, who has fielded a better team than us like twice since 1991. Way to keep those expectations high.
by The 25314 on Jan 14, 2010 1:57 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I lied earlier in the year because...
I voted YES today.
While we finished with the same record as the year before, I am happy that we finished in the Top 25 again. I think HCBS’s seat is a little hotter than before but he is nowhere close to being fired for his performance.
The team may not have met my expectations but our performance puts us as one of the Top 25 programs in the country. Top 25 is not shabby but should be improved next year.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 3:31 PM EST reply actions
Two years in a row you have expected more, been dissappointed, and continue to approve of the job being done?
by The 25314 on Jan 14, 2010 4:10 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
My expectations
I expect to win a national championship every year. I have been disappointed, every year of my life. However, just because they do not meet my expectations, does not mean I should be totally unhappy with our overall performance.
A Top 25 finish, is a good thing. Beating Pitt, is a good thing. Not winning the Big East, is a bad thing. Not improving to 10 wins, is a bad thing. Bringing in more talent that works in Stew’s system, is a good thing. Having the players believe in Stew, is a very good thing.
I am still optimistic about Stew at WVU. We have lots of room for improvement but we are in a good place going into HCBS’s third year.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 4:29 PM EST up reply actions
“Having the players believe in Stew” ???? This is one of your weakest arguments by far. You approve of our coach, because in your eyes, you think that the players believe in him? Where do you come up with this stuff? You have no clue what these players believe in or what they think of him. Cmon man you are reaching here.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Jan 14, 2010 6:32 PM EST up reply actions
Would Devine and Jock come back...
If they did not believe in Stew? If felt the same way you and some of our other fans do, would they come back to school and play for him?
That makes sense to me
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 7:53 PM EST up reply actions
Would Devine and Jock come back...
Jock and Noel coming back, in NO way whatsoever has anything to do with Gomer Pyle. Those two guys are coming back b/c the NFL market is icy-cold for them at the moment. Could be different next year. Also, these guys have a shot at setting some program records and Big East/Collegiate records…. That is if HCBS doesn’t “spread the ball around” too much to other players that is. We should have a good squad next year … aside from our inexperience at QB … I’d say we could win 10 games. This coming year will be the measuring stick of HCBS.
It makes total sense
You just do not agree with it. There is a difference.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 7:54 PM EST up reply actions
It makes sense to me.
Read their quotes. They came back to get a degree and win a championship. Why would they say that if they didn’t believe they could do it? Coming back to school is a huge risk, they know that. If they didn’t think Stew could effectively lead the team, they would take the money and run (just as most of us thought they should, or would do anyway).
by Country Roads on Jan 14, 2010 8:08 PM EST up reply actions
If these two were projected to go high in the draft, they would be gone, regardless of their “belief i Stew”. They aren’t ready for the NFL, it has nothing to do with their loyalties to the coach and WVU football.
You give these players wayyyyy too much credit.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Jan 15, 2010 9:29 AM EST up reply actions
Thank you for proving my point....
about expectations at WVU, with your post. The expectations are so low that the Top 25…..THE TOP 25…..is actually mentioned.
I’m looking forward to your excuses after a 3rd underperforming season under Stewart next year.
my expectations were lowered a bit
due to the personnel/depth along both lines….not because of who does or doesn’t coach
Fraud left the cupboard more bare than people realize
but we still should have won more games.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 4:35 PM EST up reply actions
Top 25 is good.
The Top 25 is great. Sure we should have been better but we finished as one of the Top 25 teams in the nation. That is good
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 4:31 PM EST up reply actions
So if we finished 26th, you would have voted “NO”? Those couple of spots make a huge difference. Goddam do you flip-flop more than any person in here. The season is a disappointment, nevermind it isn’t, I am voting “yes”, we are in the TOP 25! WHOOPDIDEE FUCKING DOO.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Jan 14, 2010 6:08 PM EST up reply actions
Which is worse...
Changing your mind after thinking about something or sticking to your guns no matter what evidence is presented?
I would say it is being hard headed and thinking you are right no matter what.
Also, the season was a disappointment to me because we did not improve our overall record to 10 wins. I have never changed off that opinion. BUT like I have said many times before, my disappointment does not mean we had a season that should get a coach fired.
The least you should do in a season is finish in the Top 25. It is not the best but it is still good. You can continue to bitch, moan and be pissed off all off-season. I will look back at the good and be hopeful for next year. Some you need to smile a little and get some enjoyment out of WVU sports.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 8:02 PM EST up reply actions
You may disagree with my negativity, but at least I have an opinion that I stick to, you are all over the place man, pick a side and stick to it, you are confusing yourself.
I actually do believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, and I am not trying to change anyone’s views, though everyone thinks I am always trying to be right. I enjoy the banter, but you have to be consistent 5YS, and you aren’t, thus it get frustrating to many.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Jan 15, 2010 9:37 AM EST up reply actions
I have never seen/met anyone
so obsessed with being right and twisting words around to prove support for whatever position being argued.
I adjusted my B-Ball expectations
FIRE HUGGINS!!!
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
Yes ....kinda.
it’s not that i approve, just that i don’t think he should be fired yet. He get’s another year to get his players on the field, then if he doesn’t improve, i say he goes. but you HAVE to give a coach AT LEAST 3 years to prove himself.
I say 4 years
You want to give a coach’s players time to move through the system and develop.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
yes
in that we’re managing to win while stewart and company are still learning, albeit not as fast as i wish they would. i hope the playcalling becomes less studied and tortured and more simple and instinctive. 2010 is the watershed year.
Whoa whoa whoa you better watch it
People will call you crazy for thinking we could be better but still voting yes. We need to score a TD on every play or else the season is a failure.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 8:05 PM EST up reply actions
I voted yes.
Two straight top-25 finishes, and improving recruiting classes. While I thought we should have won 10 games, like 5YS, I am not ready to throw the towel in on Stew and Co. The future of WVU football is very bright, my friends.
Sorry, I gotta second Q-tip
If you want to have seperate vote for the season as a whole, then I’d give them a yes.
BUT, looking lame going in at halftime and coming out in the 2nd half even lamer, that merits a NO.
Interesting.
I think it’s interesting how different people interpret the question differently (which is all part of the exercise, I suppose). I always take the past into consideration when evaluating my approval. I did vote “no” once, which was after the USF game. And as to the FSU game, standing alone, I would vote “no.” I relize the staff was handed some adversity with the Bowden thing and the JB injury, but defensively we were not prepared and offensively we struggled at key times in the second half. Also, the big kickoff return was disheartening. But, like you, I approve of the season as a whole, not to mention the recruiting.
by Country Roads on Jan 14, 2010 8:47 PM EST up reply actions
If we’re talking the entire season I have to go with “undecided”
Yeah we beat a decent Pitt team, hung in there with Cinci, and had 9 wins with one of the tougher schedules that we’ve had in years.
However we also played like crap for the better part of the year, struggling to win against the weaker teams on our schedule, getting blown out by USF, and choking…HARD in the Gator bowl. I can’t fault our staff for the Auburn loss. That one by itself was solely on the players.
I think this next year will be very telling as to the direction our program is headed. Will we return to the BCS and win the conference, or will we return to the mediocrity of the later Nehlen years. I’m hoping that its the former and that Stewart is the right guy for the job. I’d love to see the nice guy finish first for a change, by I wouldn’t bet on it.
You people are ridiculous. We’ve played like garbage for 26 straight games. You may want to give the moron more time or hope he succeeds, which is fine by me, but there is no way you can approve of the product that has been pit on the field 26 straight games.
by The 25314 on Jan 14, 2010 10:43 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Stew has had a Top 25 team in his first two years and is bringing in top tier talent to make up for the bare cupboard that Fraud left..
We are only ranked 8th in basketball and have not put together a full game all year and did not win a game in the tournament last year. FIRE HUGGINS
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 14, 2010 11:08 PM EST up reply actions
yeah, that cupboard was sooo bare. he left nothing but 5 returning offensive lineman, 4 starting recievers, noel devine and jock sanders. oh and pat white. the guy won 11 games 3 years in a row, but the second he left the cupboard was bare….makes a lot of sense. (funny how you never mentioned this last year).
keep living the dream guys. but i agree we should give a guy making $800 K a year at what was a top 15 program time to learn how to do the job. we should excuse his refusal to make changes on his inept offensive staff or changes to special teams. lets just keep banging our heads against the wall, like he said we’d never do. its all rodriguez’s fault, the traitor!
Wait a hot minute now...
Throughout this season you have bashed those 5 returning linemen, 4 recieivers and Jock Sanders for being TERRIBLE. They suck. They are the worst in the nation. Blah blah blah
Now you are saying Fraud left us stacked? This is the first time I have seen you switch your stance in an attempt to prove a point.
Also, we did mention it last year, a lot, and got bashed for “making excuses.” We have said from the start that Fraud left us with a lot of speed in certain positions but not a lot of depth and talent at many others.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 15, 2010 11:21 AM EST up reply actions
I am talking about the 5 returning lineman in 08. The wide receivers are not good, but they are the same ones from a top 5 team in 07 so it is possible to be great with them. Ice never had anything bad to say about jock sanders at all except that he drops the ball too much last year. In fact i’ve been saying he is the only one we should throw it to. The difference is rich rod took the same talent level kid and won big, whereas Stewart says he needs better talent.
by The 25314 on Jan 15, 2010 1:01 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
And I have criticized the coaches this year, not the players. You guys are the Ora that saying the coaching is fine an the talent isn’t up to par.
by The 25314 on Jan 15, 2010 1:02 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
The players did the best they could, I’m not taking a shot at them. There is not enough depth and that is Fraud’s fault because of his last few recruiting classes.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 15, 2010 1:30 PM EST up reply actions
His last 2 recruiting classes were ranked 56 and 18.
The ones before that were 33, 53, 57, and 33. It’s not like any of his other recruiting classes were very good either. The difference was maximizing everyone’s talents and putting everyone in a position to best use their talents so that the whole was better than the sum of the parts.
We had more NFL’ers on the 98 team (Solomon Page, Amos Zeroue, Marc Bulger, Anthony Becht, John Thornton, Gary Stills, Charlest Fisher) than we did in 07 (Pat White, Steve Slaton, Darius Reynaud, Pat MacAfee, Owen Schmitt).
The difference was that the ‘98 team didn’t know what to do with the weapons, much like the last two years. Dan Simrel didn’t know what to do on offense. To throw to Khori Ivy, David Saunders or Shawn Foreman or had to Amos Zeroue. We didn’t have an identity – running or west coast offense – and we didn’t maximize our players abilities.
You're entitled to your opinion,
but statements like “We’ve played like garbage for 26 straight games” discredit your argument. We played well against (at least) Pitt, Cincy (lost, but played well), ECU, and Syracuse this year…and maybe UConn too, given their body of work. Last year, we played well against UNC, UConn, Auburn, and (I would argue) USF. If you want to say we haven’t significantly improved over the last 26 games, fine. But to say we’ve played like garbage every game is simply inaccurate.
by Country Roads on Jan 15, 2010 7:31 AM EST up reply actions
Yes
Didn’t regress. Judgment reserved until this time of year, 2012. For me anyway.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
No
We beat Pitt was was awesome but lost to Auburn after having a 14 point lead…we faded bad in that game. The play calling throughout the year was way too conservative when you consider the speed we have. Then we lost to Florida State who was a 3rd tier team last year…again because of the play calling. A new OC coming in is a welcome addition in my eyes. Oh, did I mention that Pitt sucks?
It's a great night to be a Mountaineer...wherever you may be!!!
by GeorgiaMountaineer on Jan 15, 2010 5:48 AM EST reply actions
Really surprised by the results of the poll
Voted “No” because they had more bad losses than quality wins, and the offense actually got worse during the year.
A Simple, Well-Stated Response....
…if you were going to vote “no,” I don’t think you could have stated the reasons better than you did in that simple statement, but I would say that you are wrong on the ‘more bad losses than quality wins…’ thing. I say it is a tie. Bad losses: Auburn and Florida State. S. Floirda just beat us that night. Might have seemed bad, but they were at home and they were not a bad team. Quality wins: UConn and Pitt. UConn was a Top 5 team the day we played them, and we just plain outplayed Pitt, and late game hijinx aside, we got in position to win and did so at the end. Also, we beat, what, seven teams that won their bowl games.
Woulda-coulda-shoulda, but we had Cincy and it slipped away. Florida State, too…and what sticks with me is that had we won the bowl game, this season is a resounding success. The loss relegates the year to something less, but I would say, still a success, on the strength of the Pitt win alone.
I still say ‘yes…’…
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
by JP Fanshawe on Jan 16, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Bill Stewart announced the hiring of David McMichael, as an assistant football coach
Former Mountaineer standouts that he recruited during his time at WVU include: Marc Bulger, Lonnie Brockman, Canute Curtis, Chris Edmonds, Charles Fisher, Jim Gray, Jay Kearney, Mike Logan, Rasheed Marshall, Alvoid Mays, Lance Nimmo, Solomon Page, Todd Sauerbrun, Brian Snider, Mike Vanderjagt
Not that bad recruiting.
by WVUDIEHARD1976 on Jan 15, 2010 12:51 PM EST reply actions
And
He is the Co-cordinator for special teams, maybe they will get the bugs worked out of the kickoff coverage.
by ShadyMountaineer on Jan 15, 2010 1:02 PM EST up reply actions
Installing McMichael as ST co-coordinator* is impressive from Stewart
Finally Stewart meaningfully admits that his ST leadership hasn’t gone well; good for Stewart to act in concert with some of his comments regarding the need for ST change. I had voted No, but this act edges me toward—though not all the way to—Yes.
*"Co-coordinator" is such a funny word, since “coordinator” already is a compound word—it even used to be hyphenated—including “co”.
by bicklefischerkane on Jan 15, 2010 1:18 PM EST up reply actions
Don't settle
I voted “no” because we had the potential to do much better this year and the reason we didn’t falls squarely on Stew’s shoulders. You guys keep talking about the upcoming recruiting class being good, but you can have all the good players in the world and if you keep calling crap plays, you will not win games. Stewart is not major college coaching material as evidenced by his moronic comment about why Noel didn’t get the ball more in the second half of the bowl game. We were shoving it down their throats and we go away from what was working. That is just stupid. Being nice doesn’t win games.
In addition, our kickoff coverage sucked this year and that fell squarely on Stew’s shoulders as well. The sign of a true leader is knowing when you don’t have the expertise to handle a job and getting the proper staff to fill the gap. Do you think CEOs of successful corporations know everything about everything? Hell no but they surround themselves with people who bring something to the table. Stew doesn’t have the common sense to realize his OC sucks. Overall, play calling this year was pathetic. Yeah, we beat Pitt but that was one game. Our season should not made by just beating Pitt.
I feel that the upcoming season is make or break for Stew. Yeah we have done o.k. the last two years but the losses in those two years could just have easily been wins with some decent coaching.
One last comment – see ya later, Jarrett Brown. He was a major disappointment this season.
voted NO this week and for every game this season
Can anyone honestly say “wow … Coach Stew got more out of our team/players that you thought” …. no way, no how. The FSU game was a COMPLETE embarassment, a freggin 6-6 ACC team? I think the bottom line is that we played terrible all year, we NEVER looked sharp. Someone give me an example of a game that a stew-coached team was sharp (other than the Fiest Bowl). We barely beat Marshall, UCONN, Rutgers. We lost ugly to Auburn. We got clobbard by a mediocre USF … and that game plan: try to get the “edge” on their two NFL-caliber Defensive Ends …. great idea. We beat a streaky Pitt team and lost a close one to Cincy. Stew might be a good recruiter. prospects and parents like him b/c he honest and he probably does what he says he’s going to do. He’s a good man, but not a good coach. We are totally underachieving.
can u imagine
just to add something else … can you imagine if we pulled out that Cincy game and played in the Sugar Bowl against Florida …. they would have thumped us by 87 points. I guess we should be thankful to Stew for that.
Pauly D, Ronnie, The Situation???
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Jan 18, 2010 3:44 PM EST up reply actions
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