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WVU vs. Auburn Recap: War Damn We All Got Swamp Foot

Walking towards Jordan-Hare Stadium, I was experiencing a nice bit of quiet confidence.  I knew this Mountaineer team was a group that could play with nearly anybody talent-wise, we just needed to put together a solid effort on both sides of the ball.  So I felt good going into the game.

And then it started to rain.  And rain.  And rain.

I was in such a hurry to get my poncho on that I ended up with it on backwards.  Next time you're out in the rain, try to keep your head dry when your hood is looking at you right in the face.  "Damned fool" would have been a good description of me if not for the other 87,000 fans that were in the exact same predicament.

Best I could tell, people were buying $5 programs just to hold over the heads as they sprinted towards the stadium.  And once you got to the stadium, you got to stand in a huddled mass with everyone else soaked to the bone.  It's a complete fluke that a malaria outbreak didn't take the entire stadium.

An hour and a half into this whole mess, they alerted us that we'd be playing football, which was a complete surprise to me since I had completely forgotten about the game.  OK, I thought, quiet confidence is back.  Of course, when you go up 14-0, the quiet confidence is quickly replaced by very f'ing out-loud confidence.

And then it all started to get sideways.

Star-divide

So was it the coaches?  Players?  Both?  God and his infernal rain?

Honestly, I don't really have a good handle on this game.  When things went right, they went really right.  That is a fact that seems to be clear with this incarnation of Mountaineer football.  But, when it went wrong, it went Springtime For Hitler wrong.  

It's such a shitty answer, but I think the jury is still out on this season.  We could continue to build on our positive offensive results, cut out the turnovers and silly mistakes, and really win some games this season.  Or we could not make much progress and watch in horror as the wheels fall of during games.  I think it's the former, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it's the latter.  Your guess is as good as mine.

Now, the personal thoughts of 5th Year Senior:

Players play and coaches coach.  Both deserve their fair share of credit and criticism. 

Jarrett Brown - Oh my!  He is the Brett Favre of the Mountaineers.  He will wow you with his arm strength and abilities.  However, he will also make you want to poke your eyes out because of the interceptions.
 
He tried to fit the ball into double coverage and threw some terrible balls which got picked off.  He threw flat footed and off his back foot on multiple occasions.  Some with good results others were ugly.
 
He also placed a few balls perfectly into small holes and kept many plays alive with his strength and speed.  He is a great player that needs to learn his limits.  However, if the O-Line gave him more time he may not have rushed as many throws.
 
Offense: B  We had a good gameplan of mixing in the run and the deep pass but seemed to deviate from it after our early success.  The dinks and dumps were working until all hell broke loose.  We went to the well one to many times with the screen pass and it cost us dearly.  We needed to run the ball more down the stretch. 
 
Defense: C- We stuffed Auburn's vaunted rush attack but could not slow down its passing game.  How many times can a receiver run a 12 yard crossing pattern right behind our linebackers?  No adjustments.
 
Special Teams: A  Looks like we solved our kick-off coverage problems.  It also looked like our kick returners were really close to breaking a couple returns.  This is hopefully a precursor of things to come. A kicker should never miss an extra point.
 
Coaching: C The necessary adjustments were not made during the course of the game.  It was ours to win but we let them off the hook.
 
Officiating: F 

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officiating?

the biggeest blown call i can remember is the review of the 3rd down catch taht went through the recivers arms and hit the dirt. that was a big time miss that would have brought up forth down. but given our coachings staffs propensity to throw on every down it prolly would have been at best a 3 and out anyway

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 1:27 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Really?

Did everyone forget there were blown calls on both sides? The calls rarely go one way and it seems as though you guys may complain about holding, but forget about a couple blown pass interference calls and a gift pass interference you got in there as well.

by hale5516 on Sep 21, 2009 9:34 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We did get a couple calls

The officials are not why we lost the game. Just wanted to make sure nobody comes back with don’t blame the officials.

It just irks me with their inconsistent performance. In the Liberty game we had how many personal foul calls for hitting the QB late? 4? In this game JB was burried a couple times after he threw the ball and we got nothing. I just want some consistency.

One thing they are being consistent about is calling Bradley Starks for holding.

by 5th Year Senior on Sep 22, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe....

by 5thYear Senior
One thing they are being consistent about is calling Bradley Starks for holding.

Maybe because he is consistently holding?

As to late hits on the QB’s…I don’t want any of them called unless they are blatant long after the throw and I can only remember one where it was even a possibility of late, but just like the other calls….the late hits after a throw happen on both sides. It was a fun game, but just too many mistakes by WV.

by hale5516 on Sep 22, 2009 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Good Call On The Officiating...

…but listening to Bob Davie talk about the “excellent job done by the officials” was even more infuriating.

by JP Fanshawe on Sep 21, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

theres a reson why no one wants him as a coach

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The answers are...

PASS DEFENSE. AND PASS DEFENSE. This seems to be one topic that never gets covered. We seem to always have problems with this. We can shut down nearly any team’s running game but I don’t understand why this keeps happening. I guess we just don’t have the players we need to be effective in this department. And WV State would have beaten us with 6 turnovers. We may have won the game with just one less.

Officiating? I don’t know about that. Maybe one bad call for each team.

by WVU-Atlanta on Sep 21, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

good point

our pass d has always been awefull but i think in the past it got balanced out by a ball control style of offense. when your airing it out as often as we were, it exposes that even more

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Officiating

I remember two times JB was hit late, two times Devine’s head was almost ripped off, one invisible holding call that killed a drive and a ton missed holding calls on Auburn’s line.

I had one of the worst migraines of my life during the game so I could have a clouded memory.

They are not the reason we lost but it would’ve been easier to win had we gotten a few calls.

by 5th Year Senior on Sep 21, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Missing an extra point...

Gets you down to a B- by itself. Not only did it allow Auburn to tie the game on the next drive instead of still being down a point and keeping a smidgen of momentum on our side…we would have been in a position to tie with a FG on the last drive rather than needing a TD. It was a huge miss. Alot of people are overlooking it while laying the blame squarely on Jarrett Brown.

The kickoff team was night and day, though. Certainly was encouraging.

Racked up alot of yards on kick returns, but not one single yard on five Auburn punts. I guess you have to give credit to the punter there.

by jim_e25 on Sep 21, 2009 3:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

special teams was on the ball saturday. if any one would have told me the only miscue we would have on special teams was a missed pat i would have said we win easily

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How can you give the offense a "B"?

5th, i totally disagree with this grade, i would more likely give them a “D” on offense. 5 turnovers? seriously? you cannot give any grade over a “D” with 5 turnovers. without 5 turnovers, we win this game. forget what the defense did, if you don’t take care of the ball you lose. period.

by cabincreekzeke on Sep 21, 2009 3:33 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

500 yards

We did some good things on offense.

People need to look at the good and the bad. So many fans focus solely on what went wrong rather what we did well. 5 turnovers by JB is horrible but that is not the only thing that went down.

Devine rather with bad intentions and had a great game. We converted some short yardage situations and scored 30 points.

by 5th Year Senior on Sep 21, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

i think we did some GREAT things on offense! but none of that matters when you give the game away. look at the first quarter, those two big plays were awesome and showed that we can be great, but not if we follow it up by turning the ball over. I would take less big plays and less turnovers anyday, rather than a big play and turnover.

but i see what your saying, i was impressed with our third and short game. and Devine looked really good.

But there is still no way the get a “B” with 5 turnovers.

by cabincreekzeke on Sep 21, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

JB is almost seperate in my mind.

The offense should get a B because the O-line allowed way too much penetration. The WR’s also did not have enough time to get open.

I guess a C may be a more appropriate grade in my mind now that I think about it more. I got back to Motown at 2 a.m. last night and left for work at 6:30. My judgment is a little clouded.

by 5th Year Senior on Sep 21, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I would agree with the “B” grade.

Jarrett Brown was at times spectacularly brilliant and other times, spectacularly bad. B-

Noel is so consistent. You know what you’re going to get every week. Just give him 20 carries sometime, PLEASE! A-

Jock Sanders is a very good reciever. He’s pushing to be Darius Reynaud level. Starks and Arnett are serviceable. Wes Lyons continues to be overhyped. Tyler Urban is MIA, not surprisingly. They weren’t getting open down field, but the bubble screen was working great, and the recievers did a good job blocking down field. C+

Offensive line was pretty decent overall. Pass protection had JB dancing more than Jesco White, but luckily he can always avoid it. If they don’t improve, Geno Smith may be getting sacked alot next year. “First round draft prospect” Selvish Capers is a revolving door at right tackle. I mean he was getting blown by like he was wearing cynderblock shoes. C+

But overall we scored 30 and had 500 yards. JB just needs to throw it to his own team more often or we would be talking about potentially 45 points and 600 yards.

by The 25314 on Sep 21, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe a "C".....

the o-line did a nice job run blocking. but you are right about the o-line, even though there is usually no such thing as “too much penetration”

coaches were blaming one of the interceptions on running a wrong route, and another on being hurried by the rush.

i guess i can agree on a “C”

get some sleep.

by cabincreekzeke on Sep 21, 2009 4:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

to me, its all about play calling

the one thing we are forgetting about the 1st quater is the play calling. the reason why we were able to rack up 2 bills on o and throw a 21 spot on the board was because au had no idea WTF was going on. no clue at all. it was brilliant in the 1st quater. after that though it felt like we became one deminsional. once jb and the o line started getting shakey you gotta start pound the run . clark up the gut, noel on ther perimiter, some options. make them worry about the run again. im supprised after noel broke that long one that we didnt really start ramming it down thier throat. they were beaten and batterred and we let them hang around in the first half…

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 4:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

NOEL DEVINE

Sure is a stud, he capped off a great offensive effort by tackling a defensive lineman or is it “attackling”? Too bad we had to get intercepted for him to pull it off. We got work to do.

by RIDGERUNNER on Sep 21, 2009 7:44 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol

we do but i dont think its major work.

im thinking we will prolly run the table with what we have left if we make the nessecary adjustments….maybe a loss to cincy…maybe

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 8:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

This statement seems out of place with your complaints about the playcalling though. How do we beat Pitt if, as you say, we can’t call a better game than that?

by Country Roads on Sep 21, 2009 9:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lessons

i would find it hard to believe that the coaching staff did not come away from saturdays loss with some insight into what they can and cant do with this offense. part of being professional is learning from your mistakes. this group has shown the propencity to do just that. yes i have serious issues with the play calling but at the same time i think mullen will/has learned what jb is capable of. i think maybe part of the issue is there is still a bit of uncertianty with jb. what is he capable of? what are his limits? given the fact that he gets only one year as a starter some of the calls are a given. im willing to bet if this had been a conferance game we would have seen more of noel, more of milking the clock and ball control.

and yes im incapable of throwing out one sentence answers :D

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fair Enough

I feel like JB often tries to make a play when one isn’t there. That’s part of his genius, but it’s also part of his downfall. So as a coach do you button down the playcalling in fear of him turning it over, or do you open it up in hopes of him making a play? He’s clearly capable of both. Maybe different situations call for different styles, and I’m okay with that. But I feel like there are other considerations that we, as casual fans, don’t see. What kind of defenses was AU running? Were those vulnerable to certain types of play calls? Did the fact that our D was wearing down affect Mullen’s thinking at all? Should it have? Are there matchups that the staff was trying to exploit that maybe we weren’t aware of? Just some potential ideas…

by Country Roads on Sep 21, 2009 9:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

ahh thats the first quater

first quater was just a sick display of playing calling and execution. once jb started getting picked though, and he started getting shakey why not start running the ball to setup play action. but thats why i run an aircraft manufacturing facility and not the wvu offense….

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 9:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We're gonna be great

I’m not sure you can be pleased by anything if you don’t like the playcalling after we roll up 500 yards and 30 points with 6 turnovers. It is pretty easy to watch one play not work and say “I would have run something else” from the comfort of your couch. Turnovers are not because of playcalling. They were probably a one game freak show. If they continue, it is poor preparation in practice as far as taking care of the ball.

We couldnt defend the pass because our front 7, missing two HUGE starters, were exhausted by the 4th quarter. Bigfood would have come in handy in this game.

Whoever commented on JB throwing off his back foot called out the most alarming part of the game to me. That is lazy technique and will get him in trouble if he doesn’t fix it.

This game is going to help us win the big east-think about it- is going to Cincy, SFfla or Rutgers anything like where we just were? I don’t think so.

by WVUSouth on Sep 21, 2009 7:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

were going to be fine, not great just fine
I’m not sure you can be pleased by anything if you don’t like the playcalling after we roll up 500 yards and 30 points with 6 turnovers

half that came in the 1st quater. stop drinking the kool-aid and take a hard look at the game plan the coaching staff utilized in the second half. there was very little effort put into establishing the run. thus the corners can sit on thier coverages and wait for jb to throw. they dont have to worry about run support, niether do the safteys. nevermind that the entire second half he was running for his life. it is very easy to question the game from the comfort of my cubcile beacuse thats what fans are supposed to do when you have a loss in this manner. the coaching staff is getting paid what they are because thats thier job. taking cirtisism is also part of the job description.c’mon man the air was out of that stadium, and we let them hang around

This game is going to help us win the big east-think about it- is going to Cincy, SFfla or Rutgers anything like where we just were? I don’t think so.

agree on this point. the boys fought very hard sat night, and given the circumstances the game played out similar to my expectations. i figured it would come down to the wire but on our end, not thiers. great game. but again when you dont have to worry about the run, it makes pass coverages a whole heck of a lot easier. thats not taking away from au, thier defense sparked one heck of a come back. on that note the only team im worried about now is cincy, USF without matt Grothe is huge….that guy was a mountaineer killer. sucks for him being a senior and all but thats the hand he got delt. hopefully he’ll make it to the next level where he belongs.

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 8:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

hooray for epic and repatative spell fail’s

or fale

fial
…….

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Love Your Name...

…now let’s foil up…I don’t think WVU South is drinking any kool-aid. Our offense is potent. The big plays were in the first quarter, but I would argue that maybe we tried to go conservative and sit on a lead a little too early. You might recall we were up on Ga. in the Sugar 35-3, and did something similar. Had we taken that turnover at the AU 19 and gone in for an 18-point lead, perhaps things would have been different. Regardless, I do wish we had gone vertical a few more times, but as I stated earlier we might not be privy to the whole story. Maybe we just weren’t holding up on the line. AU had a pretty good skill level, also!

Perhaps we just disagree on the definition of fan, but second-guessing is, and always will be, easy…and the fact is very few of us have the knowledge that coaches have. You make this point yourself…between you, me, and the coaches, one of us is getting paid. I do whole-heartedly agree that being a coach requires a thick skin. I do also think that most coaches read things on sites like these and laugh, much as a chess grandmaster would giggle at the opinions of someone telling him he should have brought his queen out earlier.

You are right, though. They hung around. But I don’t know if I would say we let them hang around. 1st and 10 at their 19, up 21-10, and JB throws a pick, OR one of their kids made a play. That put them back in the game.

I agree 100 percent with you on Cincy. I hope JB masters the road by then. USF…a break with Grothe out, unless his replacement is a prodigy like he was. And then Pitt…I don’t think we should ever forget about them….but God, we owe them….

Anyway, I think we could run the table from here, but are still in contention for the BCS with a conference loss. I am hoping for someone to pick off Cincy….

by JP Fanshawe on Sep 21, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don’t think we should ever forget about them….but God, we owe them….

yeah…slightly…bastards

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 21, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Offense D-

I’m baffled that anyone could grade the defense to be worse than the offense. The offense only rolled up as many passing yards as it did by taking absurd risks the entire game. We averaged a turnover on over 12% of our called pass plays! 500 yards and 30 points are worthless if you give the other team 24 points to accomplish that! Under Rod or any other competent OC, we win that game. Period. We don’t constantly put the ball in risky situations, we run the ball more and we put Auburn away.

by The Double U on Sep 22, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Where to begin?

How is calling a screen pass an "absurd risk?" Also, I’m sure they were not absurd risks when we were getting first downs.

Do you recall USF in 2007? We turned the ball over a number of times that game and ran the ball a number of times too.

I agree that we needed to run the ball more down the strecth. However, if HCBS and Mullen would’ve run the ball, had to punt and then Auburn scored, you would criticize that too.

by 5th Year Senior on Sep 22, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the ground game

Some thing that we all have to accept is the simple fact that pounding the ground game over and over can and will result in a few three and outs. But with that being said, you have to keep the defense honest in order to exploit the air attack. I for one would not have been so frustrated had we spent more time running the ball and still lost.

Three and outs do not provide nearly the same amount of momentum as a turnover

Please note: the superior usage of the SHIFT key….

thank you :P

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 22, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The “absurd risks” came in the way Brown handled the ball on nearly every called passing play. I remember the ‘93 Miami game where in the 4th quarter Ed Hill (I think) was returning a punt and did a swim-move with his ball-carrying arm to get around a ’cane player. It was a crazy risk that netted a few additional yards at the risk of blowing the game. I’ve rarely seen it since in any level of football. Brown did that same swim move with his ball-carrying arm at least a dozen times against Auburn, usually with the ball still in throwing position. His pass selection was atrocious and, I feel, both are a result of the relaxation of the Jesus-Christ-Don’t-Turn-The-Ball-Over mentality we used to enjoy. Both those screen passes that got picked where ridiculously dumb throws. There were 3-4 deep outs that were ridiculously dumb throws. There’s a difference between the unlucky grouping of fumbles (USF ‘07) and a flagrant disregard for turnover-risk. We’ll see if the Auburn game is an anomoly like that USF ‘07 game. All things considered, I doubt it was. Part of me has to wonder if the reason the White/Mullen fued got started last year was that White still had the anti-turnover mentality from Rod, and Mullen was frustrated he wouldn’t be more risky with the ball when passing.

(And if we had run the ball, scored 24 points and punted more, we would have won the game. Kind of like what we used to do Pre-Mullen. I wouldn’t have criticized that.)

by The Double U on Sep 23, 2009 11:27 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We shall see.

JB does carry the ball like a loaf of bread sometimes.

by 5th Year Senior on Sep 23, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*covers eyes*

" Lord Stanley, etch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009

by oldtimehockey09 on Sep 23, 2009 8:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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