Jarrett Vs. Geno
by WVUColumbus on Aug 25, 2009 11:41 AM EDT
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It has been confirmed by Coach Stew that the WVU QB position will be Jarrett Brown's as the 'Eers take the field against Liberty (Not the Mountaineers in Clarksburg nor the one in Raleigh County), that of the Jerry Fallwell or Eric Green, former TE of the Steelers, variety. However.......
in the words of Lee Corso, "Not so fast my friend!!!" It certainly feels like it could have been a mistake to name the starting QB so quickly after the departure of the greatest WVU player EVER. By all reports, Eugene Smith has looked well beyond his years in the summer camp. Observers close to this poster have stated that "he looks extremely poised and is extremely accurate on his intermediate throws". The same observer stated Jarrett Brown looks solid but added "nothing so superior that should annoint him a starting QB before camp starts".
It will certainly be interesting to see how the QB situation evolves over the course of the coming season and whether opportunities may arise for the new guy, who by all accounts, has potential to that of any recruited Mountaineer in a long time.
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Forget the fact that the returning fifth year senior actually knows the system and what plays we run in which situations. Heaven forbid we have someone under center with that kind of knowledge.
NOTHING
HCBS does will ever please this person, save stepping down or dying…and he’ll probably find something about that to his dislike
????
Why would you criticize this post? Jarrett Brown should not be “handed” the starting QB position, period. He should definitely be given a shot to EARN it, because he’s waited his time, however, if Geno Smith shows that he’s able to pickup the playbook and lead the offense, why wouldn’t this be welcome. Don’t be backward. He’s the future of WVU football and should be given the opportunity to start at some point if he shows enough progress……just like another recent guy who played QB for nearly 4 years.
Jarrett Brown : Adam Bednarik, Geno Smith : Pat White
Whoever said he was handed the job?
I have never seen that statement from anyone, save you. That’s my beef with the post. I wholeheartedly agree with open competition for starting positions. If Geno’s that good (and I think he WILL be), he’ll earn the PT.
Agreed
The only time I can remember a true freshman coming in and starting over a 5th year senior is Terrelle Pryor last year, and that’s mostly because Boeckman sucked and Pryor is a once-in-a-lifetime talent. And even then, Pryor didn’t take over til halfway through the year. Rutgers has an Elite 11 freshman (Tom Savage) who is still waiting his time behind 5th year senior Dom Natale, but nobody seems to be complaining about that, and Natale hasn’t had half as much success as JB.
It’s not like JB is being given the job just because he’s there. He has proven in practice and in the games he has played that he is capable of running the offense and winning games. The coaches have stated that time and again, and by every account I’ve read, he has looked like he’s ready to lead this team. Now, given all that information, why is it so bad to name him the starter?
Yes, if Geno comes in and lights the world on fire, he will play. But it takes time for any freshman to adjust to college life and the speed of the game, develop a rapport with his receivers, learn the playbook, earn the trust of his teammates, etc.—-all things that go into making a successful quarterback. You seem to discount all of that by suggesting that Geno should, or at least could, be starting over JB in game one.
To make that leap, IMO, shows your ignorance, or at least your fondness for stirring the pot.
by Country Roads on Aug 25, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
I don't agree.....
Boeckman DID suck but he STARTED the previous season, whereas Brown is mostly an inexperienced QB, save for a couple of starts in 3 seasons and some relief appearances due to PW injuries.
Jarrett Brown WAS given the job prior to summer camp. If memory serves me correctly, there was an article where in the spring camp Bill Stewart threw him the football in a “handing the keys to the car” manner and said that the job was his……before this freshman even got here!!!
Whether you want to believe it or not, those factors that “take time” exist for Jarrett Brown as well. I understand that he has a couple of starts and is going to be more up to game speed, initially, due to experience, but he is not “leaps and bounds” ahead of Smith due to his lack of game experience…..All those things you list are admittedly critical, but NOTHING comes close to game experience and the live bullets that come w/ it and JB is lacking in this area as well.
5YS-I often DO discount recruiting because only about 10-20 % of WVU’s players have ANY moderate to significant impact on the program by the time they graduate (or leave). However, an insider has stated that Geno Smith will be getting PT, at least if a few influential boosters have their ways…….
and of course he's going to get PT
to prepare him for the future and that has nothing to do with boosters
You of all people should be up in arms about this.
A booster with NO head coaching experience telling the coaches what to do? How can you reconcile this with your thoughts about HCBS being the wrong man becuase of his lack of experience and lifetime assistant status?
Your hatred of HCBS clouds any rational thought toward this team. Just see your post below where you give HCBS no credit for landing Smith. He was not the lead recruiter but no player will go to a school where they hate or don’t believe in the head coach.
I literally poked myself in the eye after reading your post. Luckily, I found my contact lens.
by 5th Year Senior on Aug 25, 2009 4:28 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually
If you read the most recent Sports Illustrated there is an article in the College Football news and notes about JB, and that in April/May (I don’t recall, I’m at work right now) HCBS officially announced to JB and the team that he was the starting QB and leading the Mountaineers in 2009.
So, as much as it pains me to say it, WVUColumbus is right in the fact that he named JB the starter.
As for reps for Smith, yeah he’ll get some in the game against Liberty. I would hope they are able to get a lot of players reps in that game. Kind of one of the reasons you pick a team like Liberty to start up against.
by BurghMountaineer on Aug 25, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions
not denying that
but that was based on the work he’s put in (experience, off-season workouts and spring)…not just handing over the team blindly as Columbus implies
Can we poll every college football fan in the country?
I want to see what percentage think it’s a bad idea to declare JB the starter. I gotta think the number would be below 1%.
by Country Roads on Aug 25, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions
True
But then Columbus would just log on from a bunch of different computers and skew the results.
by Country Roads on Aug 25, 2009 3:52 PM EDT up reply actions
YOU INDEED......
DID deny that by 3-4 posts above, and now you backpedal like Sidney Glover…..Hahahaha………(cough, cough)…..Hahahahahahaha
For your viewing pleasure, I present:
“Whoever said he was handed the job? I have never seen that statement from anyone, save you. That’s my beef with the post. I wholeheartedly agree with open competition for starting positions. If Geno’s that good (and I think he WILL be), he’ll earn the PT.——-WVU97”
I was correct. This clown (and by clown I mean absolutely nothing against him as far as ill-will, etc. only that he isn’t qualified to be a head coach at WVU…….and he has the most insanely “pull your hair out” expressions and habits) DID hand over the job in the Spring.
Just Curious, Columbus
You ever play sports at the high school varsity level or above?
by Country Roads on Aug 26, 2009 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Yes
Varsity football, varsity baseball and a year of JV b-ball as well as golf, although I didn’t play for high school team.
Played one year of college baseball before pursuing career that demanded 80% of my college days behind a book….(the other 20 % was spent at the Sports Page on High)
The Sports Page..
most likely still has the same TV’s it did when you were in school. At least they did last time I was in there.
Kegler’s is my favorite place to watch a game in Mo-town.
by 5th Year Senior on Aug 26, 2009 4:38 PM EDT up reply actions
I don't know why I'm wasting my breath
you’re arguing semantics. If you read further, I said, “that was based on the work he’s put in (experience, off-season workouts and spring)…not just handing over the team blindly as Columbus implies.”
And I re-itterate my statement that I have not seen anyone use the term (and will clarify it a bit) for your “EXACT WORDS GREG!!” mentality. He did not blindly hand over the team so much as Jarrett earned it.
It's very clear why you're wasting....
your breath. Due to the fact that you’re flat out wrong. I’m NOT arguing semantics…….as evidenced by my polite re-posting of your denial of ever hearing that the job was handed to Brown…..Not a semantics issue, but instead a denial issue :)
I hearby invoke the following resolution to this argument
“arguing on the internet is like competing in the Special Olympics, win or lose you’re still retarded”
And I am just as guilty for continuing this pointless debate.
Also
Do you really think, that if JB just stunk it up the first couple games, and Geno was lighting the world on fire in practice and in whatever PT he was getting, that Stew wouldn’t make the switch, despite declaring JB the starter?
by Country Roads on Aug 26, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions
Country Roads
NO I honestly, really, truthfully DONT think he will hand over the job to Geno Smith if JB plays poorly. I firmly believe that. Bill Stewart is the kind of guy that is so extremely LOYAL that it certainly classifies as LOYAL TO A FAULT!!! I am not one who believes in EXTREMES in any characteristic or personal quality, no matter how good or bad the quality may be….I once had a buddy in college who literally was sooooo nice that it affected his chances w/ girls, affected his job opportunities, etc. I am a moderate guy who looks at all situations, analyzes the piss out of them, and makes appropriate decisions and opinions based on the analysis…….I think that sans injury, JB will be the starting QB.
Hey Look
I can USE CAPITAL LETTERS and lots of exclamations marks to try and hammer my point across too!!!!!!!!
by Country Roads on Aug 26, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions
not so fast my friend?
I don’t mind Corso that much, but I don’t know if I’d quote him as a lead into a story revealing inside information….
Don’t buy it. someones’ got a woody for Geno and is spreading misinformation based on a lack of blood flow to the brain…
A little funny
It is funny to me that you rail against recruting and all people that have not proven themselves (HCBS). Yet here you seem to be calling for a true freshman to play ahead of JB. Does this confuse anyone else?
If you just calling for him to get some playing time to see if he is all that and a bag of chips, then I completely agree with you. If his ankle has fully healed he should get some snaps with the first team against Liberty.
Sources close to me (everyone who has read a paper, listened to the Sportsline or seen a practice) says that JB has shown leadership and exceeded expectations during fall practice.
by 5th Year Senior on Aug 25, 2009 11:39 AM EDT reply actions
Geno Smith coming to WVU....
had NOTHING to do w/ Bill Stewart…….He was recruited by Doc Holliday and liked WVU’s open style when DickRod was the coach.
CALM DOWN
Unless any of you have been at camp than all of you need to relax and trust the coaches decision and this one is most likely on Mullin. Look for Gino to play a lot and if he is as good as the billing than he will come in like Pat White did OR Pryor did at OSU. Is is what it is.
KEN
I am calm.
I can only see out of one eye but I am clam
by 5th Year Senior on Aug 25, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
The old ‘someone who knows’ told me story. I’m not even comfortable with a true freshman QB backing up, let alone starting. Someone I know (me) has seen Jarrett Brown play, and someone else i know (me) has seen the most talented true freshman play QB (pryor, stafford). And if Gino can beat Brown for the job, he’s the most talented true freshman in the history of college football.
No dice, Clam
No freshman QB can get the nod over a 5YS QB, not even if he’s throwing TDs every time in what, his 12th practice? There must be proven consistency, over time. Give him a few more reps, clam.
wow...
It is a rare occasion that I agree with 5th Year on anything other than Humpday posts, but this time Columbus has truly lost it. JB has been regarded by many as the # 1 backup QB in the country since the Rutgers OT win. He is an unbelievable talent and we are very lucky that we don’t have to rely on a true freshman to win games. Geno will get PT this year because he is THAT good,but not ready to lead the team…
Not only did I not learn anything new from this post
but now I’m kinda hungry for scallops and clams.
Purpose of this post?
Was it to say you think Smith should be the starter over Brown?
OR
Was it to show us once again your unmitigated hatred for HCBS?
It does not really matter what the purpose was because no matter what you would HATE HCBS’s decision. If he picked Smith you would say “I can’t believe he will be starting a TRUE frosh over Brown.” No matter what after this you will complain about something because that is what you do. You just complain non-stop like a 5 year old in a sand box that does not want to share his red shovel.
by 5th Year Senior on Aug 26, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions
5YS
You are JUST NOW REALIZING that I’m going to complain until this head coach is gone? Welcome to the party!
The issue isn’t about me complaining about Bill Stewart….The issue is about this HC coaching our alma mater.
That is why...
I cannot take anything you say seriously. You will never change your mind about Smilin’ Bill. That is not analyzing a situation. That is planting your feet, closing your eyes, putting your fingers in your ears, and scream lalalalalalala at the top of your lungs.
It does not make any sense. You don’t want what is best for our alma mater. You want what you think is best for our alma mater.
by 5th Year Senior on Aug 26, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I've seen enough to know
that I won’t ever NEED to change my mind about him…….my initial thoughts and fears have been confirmed.
Which brings us full circle to my original post on this thread
NOTHING HCBS does will ever please this person, save stepping down or dying…and he’ll probably find something about that to his dislike
You've Seen Enough To Know?
…after a 9-win season, in a transition year, with a rebuilt defense?
I sure wish I could put you on permanent “ignore” on this thing.
We may be wearing...
Gold’n Blue colored glasses but he is wearing blinders.
Where has Cbus’ buddy Eatschmidt been? He has not made an appearance since his prediction of total destruction in the Car Care Bowl went down the tubes.
by 5th Year Senior on Aug 27, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions
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