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The sky's not falling. Wait, is it? Hmm. OK, we're pretty sure the sky's not falling, but we reserve the right to get back to you later with an update.

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I prefer my bowl games sponsored by products no person under the age of 70 consumes, like Brut and Vitalis.

OK, so the big news today is the Big East has lost its slot in the grand-daddy of all bowl games, The Brut Sun Bowl.

Oh.  No.

Now, certainly, no one is going to mention losing a bowl game for this conference as a positive, but it's really not all that much of a negative.  In the previous Big East bowl setup, the conference would send a member school (or Notre Dame) to either the Gator or the Sun.  Now, under the new alignment, we will simply send a team to the Champs Sports Bowl three out of four years (Notre Dame will be featured one out of the four).

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Bowl payouts:

  • Gator Bowl: $2.5 million
  • Sun Bowl: $1.9 million
  • Champs Sports Bowl: $2.25 million (estimated in 2009: $2.4 million)

 

So, under the old setup, we go from a convoluted setup that involved a trip to Jacksonville, to a relatively easy to understand setup featuring a bowl game in Orlando with a substantially similar payout.  Really, considering the Sun (and it's lower payout) could host a Big East team two out of the four years, the Big East may make more off this deal.

Is the Champs Sports Bowl on New Year's Day?  No.  And that's certainly a blow to the conference's pride.  But what the bowl game does enjoy is an exclusive time slot, something the Gator could never afford.  Now, the entire country will see a Big East team under the lights before New Year's rather than be muddled together with other (and often, better) bowl games on January 1.

The moral of the story is that this isn't terrible, and the sky is certainly not falling.  This is going to likely be a very down year for the Big East, but a very young conference (with a lot of incoming talent) could be poised to break out in the coming years.  Agreements like this allow us to simply hold-serve, and wait for the next agreements when the conference is (hopefully) stronger.

Anybody able to tell me I'm wrong on this?

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I don’t care about losing the sun bowl, El Paso is a little lower than hell, but at least in the past when we slipped below expectations we would still play on new year’s with the big boys with a bowl game invented before the internet. like i said, hopefully we keep winning, and it doesn’t affect us, but right now the big east is strattling the divide between the big 6 and the mountain west.

by The 25314 on Aug 19, 2009 4:41 PM EDT reply actions  

The Gator Bowl is...

the lowest paying New Year’s Day bowl game, in Jacksonville, and was even only available to us two out of four years. That’s not a good arrangement. I like New Year’s Day as much as the next guy, but proof positive is in the TV ratings:

2008 Gator Bowl: 4.10 rating
2008 Champs Sports Bowl: 5.2 rating

Now, some of that will have to do with Florida State being so popular, but Nebraska played in the Gator, likely making that close to a wash.

by Dr. Charley West on Aug 19, 2009 4:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

in my humble opinion, the only bowls worth going to are (tiered in order):

title game
Fiesta
Sugar
Orange
Rose
Cotton

Gator
Citrus
outback

peach
holliday

alamo
sun

That’s enough for 26 teams. If you’re not in the top 26, you don’t deserve to go. It would actually be pretty cool if bowls pitted the ap #20 v. the ap #21, rather than affiliation with conferences. And yes, i know it wouldn’t work, so chill.

When is Orlando getting a new stadium? Because while the town might be better than Jacksonville, the stadium is a dump in the ghetto.

by The 25314 on Aug 19, 2009 5:10 PM EDT reply actions  

This is completely outdated

The Champs Sports Bowl pays out equal to that of Alamo and more than Sun and Holiday. In the last two years, it has had more viewers than the Gator Bowl. It also has much, much higher TV ratings than the Sun and comparable to that of Holiday. The fact is the Champs Sports Bowl is a more deserving bowl than some on your list.

by Dr. Charley West on Aug 19, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

CW, vids ready

CW, vids ready….you do the post on it though

by DougityDog on Aug 19, 2009 6:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Why did the Big East include ND in the Champs Bowl?

Caridi said on Sportline this evening that the chairman of the Champs Bowl said that Notre Dame was not a requirement to get the deal done. Then why in the name of Mike Garrison were the Fighting Irish included?

by Simple Jack on Aug 19, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions  

Riddle me this...

Is WVU going to join the Big Ten or ACC when the Big East bites it? I vote for Big Ten (11, 12, 13…)

by echoWhiskey on Aug 20, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions  

Big Ten will not take WVU

if nothing else, because of academics

by WVUIE97 on Aug 20, 2009 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

?

I’m sure ours are no worse than those of Indiana, Illinois, Wisconsin, or Minnesota….any other state school, for that matter.

by JP Fanshawe on Aug 27, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions  

...and Katzenmoyer went to Ohio St...

…so the academics can’t be better than ours!

by JP Fanshawe on Aug 27, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Big East crumble?

I didn’t hear that the Big East is going to “bite it”. Although this would be GREAT news, it’s not going to happen. Having the teams entrenched in the biggest markets in the US (East Coast megalopolis) will be enough for that not to happen.

The Big Ten only wants ND and that won’t happen. More likely to happen is that Penn St. will return to the Big East, but only and if JoP retires/passes……Ask any Penn St fan and this is where they belong, not in a midwest conference where they have no identity or rivalry, excluding Ohio St (and that rivalry isn’t in same universe as Michigan/Ohio St)

by WVUColumbus on Aug 21, 2009 7:25 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree with most of what you said,

But why would it be GREAT news if the BE folded (at least as a FB conference)?

by Country Roads on Aug 21, 2009 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Because, As Usual...

…he doesn’t know what he is talking about. As long as the Big East maintains a BCS berth, I want to be in it. If it ever loses that honor, then it is time to start saying it would be great if it folded in football. Regarding Penn St., wasn’t it Joe Pa that originally wanted to form the Eastern 8? …and when Pitt, WVU, and Syracuse said they wanted to remain independent, he started the conference realignment avalance with the move to the Big 10? One thing Columbus is right about…Penn St. has never been a good fit in the Big 10…and some early success, nothwithstanding, I think it has damaged their recruiting areas.

by JP Fanshawe on Aug 27, 2009 9:23 AM EDT up reply actions  

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