Dissecting Stewart Mandel's Thoughts On WVU
Well, kind of. In today's mailbag, Mandel fields a question on WVU's prospects in the Big East this season. I don't have a huge problem with what he says, really. I mean, I expect better, but until we prove it on the field, I can't argue too loudly. I do have a problem with one sentence, and one sentence only, though:
I saw an article last week that had West Virginia predicted to finish fifth in the Big East this year. I know they lost Pat White, but they also have a lot coming back, and some great recruits. Is fifth place really realistic for my Mountaineers?
-- Paul, LouisvilleFirst of all, the Big East is so small, and so tightly bunched, the difference between being picked second and fifth isn't as significant as in other conferences. For instance, last season Cincinnati won the league at 6-1, while the next three teams (Pittsburgh, West Virginia and Rutgers) all finished 5-2. So it's not inconceivable the Mountaineers could finish fifth and still be right in the mix for the title until the end.
That said, most reasonable observers would expect West Virginia to take a step back this fall. There's simply no replacing a leader as uniquely talented as White. The good news is his replacement, Jarrett Brown, has seen significant playing time the past few years and certainly seems capable of running the offense. But he's still not White, and remember, this team managed to lose four games last year even with White.
It's going to be a big year for nice-guy coach Bill Stewart. He drew a load of criticism early last season when the Mountaineers dropped consecutive games to East Carolina and Colorado, but inspired some confidence with a comeback bowl win over North Carolina. Still, there remain plenty of doubters out there -- myself included -- curious to see how he fares post-Pat.
Did you catch the sentence? We'll find out after the jump.
OK, let's see how good you are. Here's the argument I can't, can't, can't agree with:
Still, there remain plenty of doubters out there -- myself included -- curious to see how he fares post-Pat.
If there is a football coach out there that is best designed to deal with WVU post-Pat White, it's Bill Stewart.
This is a coach that has tried to transform the Mountaineers' offense from "run, run, run, fake pass then run, run, run" to something that involves a lot more passing. Pat White did an admirable job in the role of a gun-slinger, but one year is a tough learning curve. Now, we have a quarterback more adept at the pass running the offense. No one is calling him Pat White. But things are different. Not for the worse, maybe even not for the better. But the offense is different. And losing Pat White, because things are different, doesn't prove as big a task as it might have been before.
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Agree
Although the sentence I would have picked is: “[A]nd remember, this team managed to lose four games last year even with White.” My reasoning is generally the same—-last year was a transition year where those losses may have been attributable to areas that may or may not be factors this year: hurricanes (see: ECU); defense (see: ECU, Pitt); offensive line (see: ECU); clock management (see: Colorado); missed FGs (see: Colorado); kick coverage (see: Cincinnati); and LeSean McCoy (see: Pitt).
Yeah, we might lose 4 games again this year. Then again, we might also have developed a passing game, fixed our kick coverage and clock management issues, and come out with a chip on our shoulder ready to prove everyone wrong. It’s just impossible to tell until the season gets here. Losing Pat White is just the national media’s default answer whenever someone brings up WVU.
by Country Roads on Jul 20, 2009 3:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
see: ECU
I don’t ever want to see last year’s ECU game again – EVER!
By the way, is it to early to start thinking about crushing Pitt into a pulp?
by phucoffaholic on Jul 20, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never too early
It is never to early to start thinking about crushing Pitt. Every morning I clap my hands and say, “Today is going to be a great day and Eat Shit Pitt.”
by 5th Year Senior on Jul 20, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I totally disagree...
Dr. West…I totally disagree with your statement…“If there is a football coach out there that is best designed to deal with WVU post-Pat White, it’s Bill Stewart.”
Without Pat White, Stewart is 8-25 overall as a head football coach. That certainly does not breed any confidence in me, as a WVU fan. He’s had one mediocre year as head coach at WVU, so I wouldn’t say he’s more qualified than anyone else to replace a leader, such as Pat White. I have seen coaches like Oklahoma’s Bob Stoops replace proven winners and leaders, such as Josh Huepel and Jason White, and then win 10+ games the next season. Stewart has absolutely no record to say that he will be as successful after replacing such as integral part of the offense, like Pat White. Only this coming season will be able to show how well he has done. So, quite frankly, your arguments in favor of Stewart’s ability are moot, at best, since he has shown no history of doing such a thing.
I understand your arguments that Stewart has tried to change the offense; however, a 9-4 record can only be seen as a regression in terms of performance by the team. We went from 11-2 in 2008 to 9-4 in 2009. Clearly, we got worse and the transition from Rodriguez to Stewart cannot be used this year. If WVU goes out 8-4 and then goes back to Charlotte or Toronto for a bowl game, then that is just not good enough, regardless of how the offense is working under Stewart.
Bill Stewart is most definitely not the football coach out there that is best designed to deal with WVU post-Pat White.
by roolgol90 on Jul 20, 2009 3:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Completely agree w/ roolgol90
That is the one sentence in that post that is “more factually” correct than the rest of the story, since THERE ACTUALLY REMAIN A LOT OF DOUBTERS, including author of the story, POST PW. You may disagree w/ the author’s opinion but there’s no debating that the majority of WVU fans express doubt about the future of WVU football w/ Stewart in charge. Remember this also……Most WVU fans don’t visit this blog…..a blog that is filled w/ faithful, passionate fans counting down the days to training camp and who ALWAYS express optimism at this time of year.
Coupled w/ the overall head coaching record alluded to by the prior poster, there is sufficient evidence to VERY MUCH doubt the direction of WVU football post-Pat White.
by WVUColumbus on Jul 20, 2009 3:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agree...
i rarely agree with columbo, but he has a point. we, here at the smoking musket are generally optimistic about our program. (minus columbo) but i, for one, still have huge doubt about HCBS and his staff taking our program in a positive direction. therefore, i have to say columbo is correct in his statement that VERY MUCH doubt is still lingering in Morgantown, mostly centered around HCBS.
by cabincreekzeke on Jul 20, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are right...
I can’t believe I just said that but it is true. There are a ton of people that doubt HCBS. I am one of those people.
Until he shows that he can win more than 9 games I will doubt his ability. However, I, unlike some of the other “doubters,” “believe” that HCBS will lead us to the promised land. It is not only my faith in my University and the coach picked to lead the football team. It is also from the glimmers I saw during last season.
He may not be the most attractive older dude in the world. He may not always use his headset properly. But he won 9 games in his first season which is more than can be said about Fraud or Nehlen.
I know some of you will hate no matter what but it is a new year and you are all ready Debbie Downers. You say reality. I say get some prozac or viagra and feel what its like to have a good day once in a while.
by 5th Year Senior on Jul 20, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5YS-
Stating that reality of WVU football POSSIBLY being bad this year DOES NOT equal my daily mood/behaviors. I, unlike many of you on here who are PASSIONATE/DIEHARD/“ALWAYS BETTER KEEP THE OPTIMISM OR ELSE” fans (and there’s nothing wrong w/ that at all) would generally be the population requiring prozac/viagra when WVU loses the game.
Do I want them to win? Of course. After a WVU game, do I rake my yard, play w/ my kids, etc. WIN OR LOSE? Of course I do. Life goes on. I don’t require optimism just to have optimism as it relates to WVU sports. Do I have optimism as it relates to all other aspects of my life? Surprisingly to many of you, I do.
by WVUColumbus on Jul 20, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments misunderstood
Coach Stewart has taken the steps to make sure that replacing Pat White has gotten easier, not harder. Obviously, I would rather have names like Meyer, Carroll, etc. as our football coach. But under the circumstances, trying to minimize the loss of a once-in-a-generation player like Pat White may be Bill Stewart’s best accomplishment yet.
by Dr. Charley West on Jul 20, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Regardless...
Regardless of the positive recruiting news that we have heard, what has Stewart done to minimize the loss of Pat White? Even with the recruiting news, until they sign, we all know that much could happen (See Tajh Boyd).
But what else is there?
Sure Jarrett Brown could step in and lead successfully, however, his track record as a quarterback at WVU has been mixed, at best. I remember him playing very well three years ago against Rutgers, but people seem to forget the disappointing performances against Rutgers, Syracuse, and Pitt from years past. Now this year, as he has been named the starter, all of a sudden, we are expected to see a different player, like he has worked harder because he has been thrown the keys to his very own ship. I don’t see it.
Sure the change in the offensive system could change the way WVU plays offense, however, that truly remains to be seen. Quite frankly, I question the change in philosophy all together. Why change a system that has worked so well in the past? Stupid, if you ask me as veteran season ticket holder of 15 years.
So, needless to say, I disagree that Stewart’s replacement of White has been an accomplishment at all. He’s done very little, save sustaining what was there to begin with. We can’t definitively say if Stew has admirably minimized the loss of White until well into this upcoming season. Further, I would even venture to guess that other coaches could have had a bigger impact on this replacement than Stewart ever could have.
by roolgol90 on Jul 20, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
IRregardless
The fact that Stew allowed a prima donna QB to walk and replaced him with another Elite 11 QB aside, I’m going to disagree with you about everything except for the part where you say we can’t judge for sure until well into the season.
As for JB’s track record: Against Cuse he couldn’t even lift his throwing arm above his shoulder. You ever try to throw a football without lifting your arm above your shoulder? Not easy. Makes it hard to pass anywhere, especially downfield. Pitt…hmm…like Pat was having tons of success that game and JB just came in and threw the whole thing away. Fact of the matter is, it’s much easier to perform as a starter knowing you’re going to be playing every week and preparing and watching film rather than standing on the sidelines waiting to see what happens. I think Rutgers 2006—-when JB was healthy and got to start—-is what gives us all some confidence.
As for the change in philosophy, I don’t know what to tell you. You tailor your offense to fit your personnel. That’s one reason we ran it so much with Pat and Steve. JB has a different skill set than Pat. Noel isn’t Steve. On top of that, I think we could all see what the “run run run” mentality did when we faced a team that—-gasp!—-stopped our running game like Pitt did. You have to be able to throw it as well, and I think Stew is at least cognizant of that and trying to field a team that can both run and throw. If in your infinite wisdom as a “veteran season ticket holder of 15 years” you can’t see the logic in that, I got nothin’ else for ya.
by Country Roads on Jul 20, 2009 4:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right...Regardless!
Well, since you are clearly a sickly Stewart apologist, I doubt I could make any points that you would agree with beyond the ones I have already made.
As far evidence you cite, all I see are excuses. JB couldn’t lift his arm above his shoulder? Then why didn’t Stew have a player behind Brown who was ready to play and could at least bring his arm above his shoulder?
As for the prima donna QB, Stew didn’t let him walk, Boyd was going elsewhere regardless. We all know that. So, don’t give Stew more credit than he is due.
As for your “fact of the matter,” a player should be just as prepared to play regardless of whether he was a scout team quarterback or the starter. Remember Tom Brady? He turned a back-up QB role into one of the one of the best QB’s in NFL history. That is a tragically ludicrous statement.
As for the change in the offensive philosophy, I never said we shouldn’t be able to throw the ball, as well as run it. I am sure since you so meticulously read my postings, you saw nothing of the sort in it. All I was simply stating was that going from a spread option to a pro-style offense didn’t make much sense to me. So, instead of drawing conclusions that clearly were not present, you should refrain from posting on issues that you have no knowledge of.
by roolgol90 on Jul 20, 2009 4:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Stew basher
Well, since you are clearly a Stew basher, I doubt we could make any points beyond what have already been said that you would agree with.
As far as the evidence you cite, all I see is your opinion. JB couldn’t lift his arm above his sholder? FACT HCBS did not have someone to replace him because he can not pick up clay and mold a new starting QB. It is amazing that HCBS was able to hold Fraud’s recruiting class together at all, let alone go out and recruit a couple higher caliber players than Fraud had already signed up. Sorry, Colt McCoy and Tim Tebow already play for other football teams.
Did HCBS replace Boyd with another Elite 11 QB? Yes. Please give credit where credit is due.
You are absolutely right that a back-up should be ready at a moments notice and be just as prepared as the starter. Remember Marcus Tuiasosopo? Maybe a little. He turned a back-up QB role into 4 INT’s. Your statement is tragically ludicrous. Not all back-ups can come in and be world beaters.
A quote from your post which seems to make the point that changing the offensive philosophy would be stupid :
“Why change a system that has worked so well in the past? Stupid, if you ask me as veteran season ticket holder of 15 years.”
I don’t know about you but that seems like you don’t want to throw the ball since Fraud did not throw the ball down field unless someone threatened to expose his elicit activities with cheerleaders
I could go on but I want to go back up and talk to my buddy Columbus.
JB’s record as a starter, 2-0. FACT You play to win the games
Give hope a chance my friend. It is so much better to be optimistic than to walk around with a poopy diaper all the time.
by 5th Year Senior on Jul 20, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You disappoint me 5YS
You actually think the poster doesn’t want to THROW the ball?
JB’s record as starter 2-0? Come on man, you can do better than that. I don’t know who those 2 wins were (I think one was Rutgers in that crazy offensive game 2years back) but please don’t tell me they were against a team w/ inferior talent, because that will immediately make that point worthless.
Step up, 5YS, it’s time for some “big boy”/thought-provoking/OBJECTIVE analysis from you. You can do better than that!
by WVUColumbus on Jul 20, 2009 6:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Still waiting on some facts rather than opinion
HCBS 9-4 with a bowl win in his first season. Your turn
by 5th Year Senior on Jul 20, 2009 6:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
5YS-You're giving me a layup!!!!
“HCBS 9-4 with a bowl win in his first season. Your turn”——Huhhh? I don’t understand. This is an argument in MY favor NOT YOURS.
1. 9-4 w/ one of the weakest schedules in the history of our program
2. Unquestionably the best football player in WVU history in his Senior season.
3. Most offensive pieces returning from a team that should have won the National Championship.
2 POINTS I IMPLORE ALL OF YOU TO PONDER!
1. This is not the NFL! 9-4 is a fantastic record in the NFL. In college football, if you have too many of those records, and you’re of the caliber of program of a WVU (thanks to Rich Rodriguez, although I think he’s reprehensible), you will not be coach very long.
2. Would 9-4 REALLY have been acceptable to you at this time last year? I already know the answer.
by WVUColumbus on Jul 20, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just blocked that lay-up from behind LeBron James style
1. It was not one of the weakest schedules in school history. Our schedules in 2006, 1964 and 1893 were much weaker. Even if it were the weakest schedule ever, we were installing a new offense that did not totally suit our talent. We had to adjust our style because winning a national title requires balance.
2. It takes more than one person to win a football game. Patrick White did not have some ferry dust to sprinkle over the team that would make them exactly like him.
3. MOST offensive pieces returning from a team that SHOULD HAVE won the BCS. Even with ALL the awesome pieces we had before we did not win the title because our system was flawed.
Two points I implore you to ponder.
1. 9-4 is not a satisfactory record henceforth. It was, however, good enough for me in a coaches first season, while he was implementing a new offense without the necessary talent.
2. I predicted 13-0 with a national championship last year (My heart always predicts this). I was wrong, way wrong. However, just because the team did not live up to my expectations does not mean it was a total failure. We accomplished some positive things last year and will hopefully build those into even more success in the years to come.
by 5th Year Senior on Jul 20, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
8-25
lets see he was the coach of VMI really no one does well at VMI so the 8-25 is a little misleading VMI football program is so bad that the only mention of a game is the first one a loss to Washington and Lee (Where my brother goes to school currently a D-3 school) so that should tell you how bad their program is.
by WVPiratesfan on Jul 20, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you
For pointing out the fact that talking about his record at VMI. I had two cousins that played for VMI and they thought his record there was great. They wanted him signed to an extension.
by 5th Year Senior on Jul 20, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that shows how bad VMI is at football
right there no more explanation needed
by WVPiratesfan on Jul 22, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dr. West and Country Roads
Dr. West-I would argue that it’s impossible to determine if Bill Stewart has done “anything to minimize loss of PW” at this time. Further, I would venture to guess that the recruiting coordinator AND recent success of wide open, spread, very much southern style of offensive football, has much more to do w/ addition of Geno Smith, who could be a good or not so good QB.
Country Roads-Paragraph 1: Boyd left for Clemson because he and his father didn’t like direction of WVU football program, specifically after the ECU and Colorado debacles. Rumors have stated that his dad was embarassed at how ESPN announcers, specifically the Bachelor and the hot sideline reporter, were clearly “raising their hands” to the atrocious clock management by Stewart in final moments of regulation in Boulder.
Paragraph 2: I don’t remember the poster stating that he performed BADLY! I DO remember him stating that there was lack of evidence that he has PERFORMED WELL in the multiple games he has participated……this isn’t debatable.
Paragraph 3: Of course, Jarrett Brown is going to throw more often than PW. Doesn’t take Bill Stewart to figure that out. And of course WVU should throw more early in game than vs. PITT. Doesn’t take Stewart to figure that out, either. I have a problem w/ Jarrett Brown being annointed starting QB, which he pretty much has, in the summer. He CLEARLY hasn’t done enough to warrant that current status.
As for your last sentence to the prior poster……..You simply couldn’t allow your argument to stand on its own, and therefore, you decided to give a “little jab” as a “last straw” effort of getting your inaccurate points across.
by WVUColumbus on Jul 20, 2009 5:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You've been living in Cbus too long.
1. How do you know what happened when Boyd left (first for Tennessee, if you remember correctly, until Kiffin ran him off)? You say yourself that “rumors” say his dad didn’t like the direction of the program. Well, I remember Stew saying how “no player’s daddy is going to call the plays.” I don’t know what that’s all about, but it sounds to me like there was some tension there. Maybe Boyd would have left either way, but you can’t discount the staff’s ability to go sign another Elite 11 QB (just as unproven as Boyd).
2. I was simply trying to explain why fans are optimistic about JB as our starter. Folks remember the Rutgers game and this year’s spring game and the praise the coaches and media are heaping on him from practice. The optimistic fans also remember the difficult situations he was put in against Syracuse (Not sure where that 3rd QB should have come from, seeing as how Stew hadn’t been the HC when most of the players were recruited. Maybe the coaching staff thought we could get by Syracuse at home if they just ran the ball and let JB throw screens and managed the game, rather than hand the reins to Bradley Starks who might turn it over 4 times?), Pitt, USF, etc. And while I agree with roolgol that players SHOULD prepare the same when they are a backup, reality is that it’s harder to stay ready when you’re not playing. I’m not sure what your point is with Tom Brady? Hasn’t he played better as a starter? How about Matt Cassel this year? Look at how much he improved after the first couple games when he knew he was going to be the starter after Brady went down. Other examples are escaping me right now, but if you can come back with several names (I’m sure you can name one or two—-there’s an exception to every rule) of guys who played just as well as backups, you might change my mind.
3. Rich Rodriguez didn’t seem to be able to figure it out, which was my point to rebut roolgol’s statement that he is questioning the change in system. Not to mention the fact that, you know, we have new coaches who happen to have their own backgrounds and ideas and may not be suited to coach the old system. But that’s beside my earlier point that you run a system to fit your personnel. As for JB being anointed the starting QB role, who do you want to anoint? Geno Smith, who hasn’t even attended a collegiate practice? Or maybe Coley White, who hasn’t taken a snap in a real game and hasn’t shown anything in practice? How about Bradley Starks, who the coaching staff thinks has a promising future at WR (a position we happen to be thin at) and whose lone collegiate pass attempt didn’t come within 15 yards of its target? I’m sure if one of these guys comes into fall camp and blows everyone away, that person will play. But until then, I don’t think naming your 5th year senior QB who has significant game experience as your starter is really that big a deal. And I also don’t think you would find many people to agree with you on that point either.
Finally, as for my “little jab,” I couldn’t help myself. I guess I should have let the ignorance of basing your expertise on “being a 15 year season ticket holder” speak for itself.
by Country Roads on Jul 20, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Comments
1. The ability of the staff to pick up another top QB was never questioned. This was the argument (please refer to the above thread): That Stewart DIDNT split ties w/ Boyd but it was actually vice versa.
2. Lots of backpedaling in this argument. And another thing, I don’t know what you’re talking about in terms of “my Brady comparison”. I didn’t bring up anything about Brady.
3. Who do I want to be annointed the starting QB in August? CORRECT ANSWER: NO ONE!! It is what it is…..an open position.
4. You are confused. I am not a 15 year season ticket holder. Please keep your arguments in order and directed to those who make them.
by WVUColumbus on Jul 20, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You were critiquing my post where I was responding to roolgol, so I addressed my response to both you and him. Next time I’ll be sure to label which part is addressed to whom so you can follow along more easily.
by Country Roads on Jul 21, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great convo
Call me a dork but this was an awesome thread. I love to get the Mountaineer blood flowing this early. Fall practice is quickly approaching and we are all getting fired up. I love it.
Welcome back Columbus!
by 5th Year Senior on Jul 20, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
See what happens when you don't check in for a few days?
You miss all the fireworks! And, I am the son of a season-ticket since 1981! I know I could have thrown two cents in…..
by JP Fanshawe on Jul 20, 2009 9:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This thread
is getting awesome.
Please don’t stop guys.
by Blank x2 on Jul 21, 2009 2:09 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
HOLY SH*T
I’ve been almost angry that this blog has been so dead lately and look what’s happened in less than 24 hrs!
Moving on, I think the one sentence that he got way wrong was the comment about being in the title hunt when you FINISH 5th? How is that possible? You can’t be #1 if you are #5. And how is it less bad to finish 5th in an 8 team conference than any other conference? If you ain’t first, you’re last!
by WVU-Atlanta on Jul 21, 2009 9:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Basic Truths
Regarding the Stew bashing, let’s examine a few points to consider:
1. If you are really honest with yourself, you cannot deny that if we would have had ANY support from a FB last year, things could have been a little better for us. This year, we appear to be loaded at this position.
2. Yes, Pat White made some incredible plays last year that also saved a few W’s for us, and it will hurt with him being gone. However, I truly believe JB can be a good QB this year, but probably not great.
3. Our defense will be really good this year. Any one want to disagree with me on this?
4. ANY NEW COACH last year for us, whether it was Tater Tot Terry Bowden or Coach Stew would have had the common sense to change our offense a little bit. As much success as we’ve had the last 4 years, you cannot deny that our one dimensional style didn’t bite us in the ass on numerous occassions (see Pitt: 2007). Also consider our last two bowl wins vs OK and UNC….we threw the ball pretty good and had a balanced attack and as a result, our offense was nearly unstoppable.
5. Check out the latest recruiting success: we are STILL RECRUITING speedsters for a spread offense, but we are ALSO recruiting top WR talent, FB’s, QB’s who can throw, O-lineman, and Defensive talent. With RR, it was all about offense. Period. How much sense did that make?
6. Let’s be clear: HCBS is not a great game day coach. But that doesn’t mean we can’t be good in the near future. It really comes down to our talent, our assistant coaching staff, and our players attitudes. I’m more concerned about Jeff Mullen running the offense. I don’t deny he has great ideas and that we have the tools to succeed but he is clearly inexperienced.
by WVU-Atlanta on Jul 21, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
re: #6
HCBS still suffers in my mind from the perception created in the Colorado game, the uninvolved detachment on the sidelines, coupled with some deer-in-the-headlights looks and missed opportunities. (for those also following the Redskins, it reminded us of Joe Gibbs v.2). There’s a difference between delegating authority and abdicating it.
Later in the year he did seem to improve in that respect a little, let’s hope it continues, it’ll again be worth at least one game (I’m guessing) in the win column by the end of the year.
Good post.
by phucoffaholic on Jul 21, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Random Thoughts
1. The Mountaineers are gonna rock this year because of DEFENSE- the thing most fans and media types don’t pay much attention to (How many posts on this site talk defense? How may pre-season publications mention our defense?) We had a great D last year and have most of it back with the addition of Reed Williams!
2. I think most people are being a little too hard on Coach Stew. We should give him the same margin of error we gave Rod. Imagine if Stewart was the coach: in 2003 and we blow the miami game after Q Wilsons great run then get killed by Maryland twice, or in 2004 and we start the season ranked 10th end up out of the BCS, or in 2006 and all we had to do was beat a 7 win SFlorida team at home to go to a BCS game and we choked it away or in 2007 and all we had to do was beat a 4 win Pitt team at home to play for the national Championship and we choked it away. WHY is Rod a genius and Stew a joke?
3. How would you feel if this season started out like this: We kill Liberty, then barely get by ECU, then Auburn drills us by 14, then we beat Colorado by 14, then we sneak by Syracuse by 7 thanks to a defensive touchdown, and we don’t crack the top 25 until November? Would yo be pissed or happy that we were 4-1 and 1-0 in the Big east? Well, if you go back and look, that is almost EXACTLY how 2005 started out- the Sugar Bowl year. That year tuned out OK. I’m not predicitng we’ll go to a BCS bowl, I’m just saying you should be a true fan and be positive even if they don’t start out great, because yo never really know what will happen.
by WVUSouth on Jul 21, 2009 9:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
#3
i like it. very good prediction. i hope it turns out that well. but we’ll prolly be 2-3, not 4-1
by cabincreekzeke on Jul 21, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kudos!
…a voice of reason! Great points, especially bullet No. 2. Whatever the record, each year I hope for us to be better in our last game than we were in our first. I want to be the team that other teams dread late in the season. I have several wagers with friends on this season — I predict we will average more points per game this season, more yards per play, and have a larger avg. margin of victory. Ten wins is within reach…
by JP Fanshawe on Jul 21, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
10 wins
Our former QB, Pat White, graduated last year.
by WVUColumbus on Jul 21, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Positive/Smositive
Can we have some big boy discussion in here, and not get critical w/ those who are suggesting that this season may not be too hot. Don’t rock the boat proclaiming that those who are critical are not true fans. I would suggest that I contribute more to West Virginia University, my alma mater, than many of you. I may also suggest that some of you didn’t even ATTEND the university. Sounds an awful lot like the fatalistic type of person who always states, “Things used to be so much better way back when”. This just in…….Nope, it’s confirmed. Things are WAYYYYYY better now than 100 years ago. Athletes, education, technology, etc.
Stop worrying about those of us who predict a “recession” of WVU football under this football coach in terms of our need for antidepressants, etc. We’re only pessimistic in terms of WVU football. I’m a-OK w/ my family, friends, lifestyle, etc.
What we are doing is looking at WVU football from an objective lens, as opposed to a kaleidoscope.
by WVUColumbus on Jul 21, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I Think
What this comes down to is that some of us enjoy being optimistic and predicting or expecting greatness while others (like you, Cbus) prefer to be “realistic” and “objective” (and I put those in quotes because the optimistic folks also believe their views are realistic and objective). However, your approach resonates with the more optimistic crowd as being negative and trying to rain on the parade.
Also, and I’m as guilty of coming off as a condescending prick as anyone, tone means something. Then again, that’s part of the fun.
by Country Roads on Jul 21, 2009 6:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are a fan
I never have and never will call you less of a fan than me. I also won’t point out the hypocrisy of not wanting to be called less of a fan and then saying you are better than the rest of us.
Who cares if someone did or did not go to WVU. Some people are not college material but they can still be fans of the Mountaineers. WVU is the state university and people grew up loving it.
I don’t worry about you being pessimistic. I just want to try to convince you that we will be better than you think.
Finally, I made my little prozac comment as a little jab/joke. Just like you take little jabs at me. I mean it in a friendly/fun way. I’m a funny guy and don’t hate you.
by 5th Year Senior on Jul 22, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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