Big Ten to explore possibility of expansion in next 12 to 18 months - ESPN
The expansion of the Big Eleven Ten could be a dangerous development for the Big East. If Notre Dame spurns the advances of the Big Eleven Ten again, it is very likely the conference will look to poach a prominent Big East member.
The sad part is, I doubt WVU will be talked about as a viable option. They will likely go after Syracuse and Pitt before even thinking about WVU.
This could be the start of another major conference reorganization.
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Mizzou is the best option
For expanding tv markets while maintaining brand identity. Syracuse next. I doubt they’ll be interested in Pitt.
by SlingStone on Dec 15, 2009 3:13 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Well that sucks.
First Paterno joins the Big Televen and refuses to play us, then the ACC steals Virginia Tech and Beamer refuses to play us. Now it’s possible that Pitt will be taken away also. Will WVU have any rivals? Who would be the next in line if we lost Pitt?
by IB4WV on Dec 15, 2009 3:20 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Tribune Article
Tribune Article , states that Pitt, Syracuse and Rutgers are the teams in line for a bid.
This could get very interesting.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 15, 2009 3:22 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Mizzou would be the best for us
start a chain reaction that leads Arkansas to the Big 12 (back to their old big 8 rivalries) and we then slide into the SEC. Not saying it would happen….just what I’d like to see.
by WVUIE97 on Dec 15, 2009 3:31 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Why?
Dear Big Ten,
How about this, stop letting a coach who won’t be alive in 5 years dictate the direction of your conference?! Penn State sucks all the way around and this constant slurping of JoePa’s sauce is really starting to piss me off.
Yes- I understand he is the winningest coach. Yes- I understand he has “returned” his program to dominance (although I would argue being pecker-slapped in the Rose Bowl last year, and winning a shitty bowl the year before doesn’t make a dominant program, wait until they get killed this year!). But I am sick-and-tired of the CONSTANT bullshit with JoePa and his misconceived notion that he deserves ANY say in dictating the direction of his conference. If the Big Ten takes ND, we lose NOTHING, they suck at basketball, and don’t get me started on football. If they go after one of our members, hopefully this time the BE commish will have a sack and try to block it, but PLEASE, PLEASE, stop listening to that haggard old goat up in State College.
Thank you.
by WVU_BILLS on Dec 15, 2009 3:47 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Not only Joe Pa.
There are a number of coaches and ADs that want to make this move. It makes financial sense and makes the schedule a lot easier to handle.
It will bring millions of dollars into the conference because of the championship game and will give two of the conference’s best teams a game past the final week in November. One reason the Big Ten sucks from year to year in the bowls is because its teams are really rusty and sloppy.
Expanding to 12 teams has been necessary for many years.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 15, 2009 4:20 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
So where does the Big East turn if we lose Pitt, Syracuse, or Rutgers 5YS? This move would be very damaging to basketball at both Pitt and Syracuse in my estimation, am I missing something? Why would they want this move? Rutgers I can see being all for this, but not the other two.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Dec 15, 2009 4:26 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
The Big East has to work on its image and work at getting stronger itself in football, losing Pitt would be a crushing blow. We just can’t allow our coaches and teams to keep getting raped by stronger teams and conferences.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Dec 15, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
$$$$
While it would hurt both of these school’s in basketball, it would likely be seen as jump in football. There is no doubt that it would be a jump in dollars if they left for the Big Eleven.
Most schools make a bulk of its money with football revenue. I would hate to see it happen but I doubt either Pitt or Syracuse would say no.
Having said that, I do not think losing Rutgers or ‘Cuse would be a BCS deal breaker for the Big East. Neither of those teams have consistently been a factor in the Big East’s BCS birth. While I want them to stay I do not think the sky would fall if either ’Cuse or Rutgers left.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 15, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We Don't Need Syracuse...But
I can’t believe I am writing this, but at this point, they are kind of like Temple was when they were excommunicated. They make the most sense for the Big 10, and I don’t think they want to add an elite program, but rather a bottom-feeder that will get them to the required 12 for a title game.
Schmitty asks a great question, though. Who do we get to replace them? Also, it really makes me bristle that the Big 10 would be looked at as a step up for ANY school in the Big East. It think it is bullshit, because the Big 10 has been pretty damned awful this year. Wait til they get smoked during bowl season….they won’t get any of the bad press that the Big East would if it went 0-6 or 1-5 in its bowl games. The only reason it is looked at as a step up is that conference has an identity for 100 years and everyone knows the school’s names and their rivals….
….on the subject of realignment…I guess this crushes my wish that the Big East would raid the Big 10 for Penn St., reinvite Boston College, and invite East Carolina and one more Florida school – Atlantic or International, whoever seats more…and then we could have a playoff game. Who’s with me!?!
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
by JP Fanshawe on Dec 15, 2009 7:44 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
This could begin...
A major reshuffling of conferences depending on who the Big Eleven picks. If they take a Big East team it won’t mean much. What if they look at taking someone like a Missouri?
Arkansas to Big 12? Clemson to SEC? WVU to ACC?
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 15, 2009 7:52 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I would suspect the big 12 would pick up tcu or smu rather than ar-Kansas if mizzoi went big 12. But if I’m the big 10, I would go strong for rutgers and that NYC market.
by The 25314 on Dec 16, 2009 12:02 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Myth??
I feel like it is a myth that Rutgers controls the NYC market. How many people in New York have any clue that a Rutgers football is being played?
It is almost like BC to me. My one trip to Chesnut Hill, we walked around boston and nobody had any clue a game was about be played.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 16, 2009 8:49 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you, Fanshawe!
Screw BC though, isn’t there someone else that’s grab-able?
by phucoffaholic on Dec 15, 2009 11:10 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm with you!
I say we hang on to Syracuse- while they have sucked lately, their name has some credibility. I don’t think we would miss much of a beat dropping Rutgurs and picking up ECU.
We should dump Notre Dame in the non-fooball sports- that would free them up and maybe they would consider the big ten.
by WVUSouth on Dec 16, 2009 6:31 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
It's almost like JoePa is sitting at home saying
“Oh my God, I can’t believe they took me seriously…let’s see what else I can get them to do….”
by RichRN on Dec 15, 2009 4:40 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I can understand Pitt but not Syracuse or Rutgers
the Big Eleven Ten is more in the mid-west not upstate New York or New Joursey so that part makes no sense to me
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame
DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel and Chris Carter
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 15, 2009 4:21 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
It looks like they are looking to strengthen the conference, and Pitt would definitely do that in both football and hoops. The locality issue makes zero sense, I agree.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Dec 15, 2009 4:31 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
More money$$$
Get Syracuse or Rutgers and you get the NYC TV market. That huge for potential commercial sponsorship deals.
More TV’s and more potential $$$.
Same with the ACC and BC. They wanted Boston.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 15, 2009 4:39 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot its all about money
as my history prof. says Christams has two s’s and their both dollar signs
Players who should be in the Hall of Fame
DIck Lebeau, Pat TIllman, Dwight White, Donnie Shell, L.C. Greenwood, Ray Guy, Steve Tasker, Greg Llyod, Andy Russel and Chris Carter
by WVPiratesfan on Dec 15, 2009 6:06 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Actually
“they’re both” is the verb form you’re searching for. “Their” is a pronoun.
by MtnEer_in_SC on Dec 15, 2009 7:29 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
And Don't Forget The Big 10 Has Its Own TV Network, now...
…Rutgers would have an allure for them. But what I typed about Syracuse above….I feel roughly the same about Rutgers. If we lose them, sayonara. And at least we would keep Syracuse in basketball.
Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.
by JP Fanshawe on Dec 15, 2009 7:47 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
pitt wont go ..
they are most likely to steal cinncy if anyone because they are still building that program, need a new stadium and the extra revenue dollars that it would bring … pitt doesn’t want to go from being one of the best teams in a conference to one of the shittiest and they already have the tradition and foundation at that school
hell they probably won’t get any of our schools … if they take rutgers or cuse’ then let them … we’ll just pick up east carolina and maybe even add memphis and have villanova become IA and have 10 teams …
by RyanWVWC1983 on Dec 15, 2009 6:17 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I honestly would not like to lose Rutgers or Syracuse either. Even though they have brought nothing to the table with regards to football lately, and basketball for that matter in Rutger’s case, they are Big East staples and we need them.
East Carolina, I am fine with, but has anyone watched a Memphis football game in the last 3 years? Horrible program just horrible. Memphis in Big East hoops would be impressive, but that football program does nothing for me.
As for Villanova, I was at the Villanova and William and Mary game last Friday, and their facilities are a step above a good high school football program. It would take an easy 7-10 years to get that program on par with a team like Connecticut, for example. If they are lucky.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Dec 15, 2009 6:45 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Cincy makes no cents
The Big Eleven is not looking to help anyone but themselves out. They couldn’t care less about cincy needing money or any of that shit. They do not need anymore of a market in the state of Ohio. I doubt the conference even looks at Cincy as a viable option.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 15, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm Tired of the BS
Lets just drop football and screw everybody like TW.
KEN
by KENH on Dec 15, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Goggle it – Rutgers announced back in May they would leave the Big East to join the Big Ten (er, when Penn State joined it became The Big Ten and Me Too, when Rutgers
joins becomes Me Too and Me Three) after the 2011 season. Rutgers points to Penn State convincing them to join. Like you say, its all TV market share. Rutgers puts the
Big Ten right in the #1 market. But, as late columnist Lewis Grizzard said years ago, watching Big Ten football is like watching two mules fight over a turnip!
by atlpowderhorn on Dec 15, 2009 7:38 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
I love Lewis Grizzard.
Momar is Libian for Doodoopot.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 15, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
lol
doodoopot
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Dec 15, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Big East schools
won’t jump this conference for the Big Ten. There’s a LOT more to these decisions than simply guaranteed monies from conference championship games, etc.
Pitt, Rutgers or Syracuse would be foolish in my estimation to jump to the Big 10. This would be a lateral move in football and a downward move in b-ball. I really feel that the AD’s of the Big East realize that the BCS isn’t going anywhere (not just till 2013, but beyond) and that when you only have 7 other teams vying for a BCS spot, and the increased recognition, recruiting, etc. that comes along w/ it, sticking w/ the Big East makes the most sense. Cincinnati is a perfect example of a reason to stay w/ the Big East. I can tell you one thing that my booster friend has stated to me. WVU would turn down an offer if it ever came to leave the Big East and I feel PITT would do the same. Can’t speak for Syracuse or Rutgers, but would be surprised if they decided to leave for a Midwestern school.
Syracuse’s biggest rivals are UCONN and Georgetown, and I don’t see it happening.
I had heard that the likely school would be west of Chicago, not East (out here in Columbus) and would think they would look at Iowa State or, more likely, Missouri.
by WVUColumbus on Dec 15, 2009 9:56 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
it likely helps
that Syracuse basketball is so strong and Jim B. wields a big stick there. He’d fight them leaving.
Speaking of realignment, if we dump Notre Dame, we should dump DePaul too.
by phucoffaholic on Dec 15, 2009 11:13 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
He didn't like moving to the ACC either...
… and that would have happened anyway.
by drothgery on Dec 16, 2009 1:23 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sorry, but there is absolutely nothing else in the equation other than money. You make valid points, but it is truly about money, and money comes from television and television markets.
by The 25314 on Dec 16, 2009 12:11 AM EST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Partially agree
While I think it is very noble to think a school would turn down an invite to a conference that makes more money, I doubt it would happen. It is all about money. Money, money, money, money.
It would be a lateral move from the talent perspective but a big step up from the money standpoint.
If I were AD I would not accept a bid to the Big Ten.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 16, 2009 8:45 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
We can’t dump Notre dame because they Are the only ones keeping us in mildly respectable bowl games (if champ sports counts and mildly respectable).
by The 25314 on Dec 16, 2009 12:08 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to feel that
bowl games outside of the BCS are basically irrelevant. Traditionally strong bowls, such as the Gator, are changing their affiliations to make money. The bowls mean nothing other than making money for the town they are located.
They just don’t mean much anymore.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 16, 2009 8:41 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Yup.
They have completely lost what is the best interest of college football, it’s players and coaches, and the fans. It still amazes me that a sport that is this popular has this many flaws. All I am asking for is a clear cut national champion, is that so goddam hard? Money motivation has taken over sheer common sense? It’s sickening.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Dec 16, 2009 9:17 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
What pisses me off even more...
Is that the powers that be in the NCAA claim the bowl system is a reason we cannot have a playoff. Many bowls are jokes and have no credibility/history because they keep switching affiliations.
This system needs to change but it will take a HUGE effort to get it started.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 16, 2009 9:39 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Dumb question
But I wonder if the conference and or the NCAA has any power to stop another big east raid? I am totally over all this talk of conference realignment.
by WVU-Atlanta on Dec 16, 2009 6:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
NCAA could stop it but they won't
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Dec 16, 2009 8:38 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
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