Sunday Conversation: Jarrett Brown Or Our Fans, Which Is Worse?
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 8, 2009 8:45 PM EST
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PrintThe title is a little misleading, because none of us really hate Jarrett Brown, but I at least needed to get your attention.
In what's becoming a weekly tradition now, 5th Year Senior and I traded e-mails this afternoon, discussing everything from this past week's game with Louisville to the YMCA guy (hint: I'm not a fan). So, sit back, grab a beer, and get ready to get unfortunately taken into the mind of 5th Year Senior. Yikes.
5th Year Senior:
Should Jarrett Brown still be our starter?
Charley West:
Yes, I think he should continue to be the starter for the short-term, but not because of much he's done positively.
With our porous offensive line, sticking anyone back there is nearly a death wish. Thankfully, Brown has the tools to escape most of the time. Of course, when he does escape, he's still not a very good QB, but at least he avoids a sack. Those are the positives.The negatives? Well, there are a lot of them, to the loose grip on the football to the less than 100 yards passing this past weekend. While we control our own destiny, I favor Brown. If and when that ends, I say we go ahead and get started on the future. And that means starting Smith.
5th Year Senior:
This is a short conversation because I agree with you.
Charley West:
Well then, let's try and change the subject, shall we?
5th Year Senior:
What was worse Saturday, the team or the fans?
Charley West:
There's no one answer to that question, unfortunately. Both sucked.
I have absolutely no clue what the students are doing. It was a 70 degree day in November and the student section looked, at best, 75% full. And it was only that full for the second quarter. What the hell better did they have to do?
And honestly, I am going to give the paying fans a bit of a pass, because a lot of the energy of a football crowd comes from the students. And when they're not there or not interested, it's tough to get anything going cheer wise. Something needs to change, and fast.
5th Year Senior:
The fans sucked more yesterday and that is saying something considering what we saw on the field
I am not getting mad about the constant complaining because it was justified yesterday. I am talking about the total lack of noise from anyone. Idiots around me complained about the fans being dead and then did not cheer themselves. That shit pisses me off and just shows people complain even if they are part of the problem.
You can cheer, as I did, and walk out of the game with no voice even if others are not cheering. Your "job as a fan" is to cheer on your team and 90 percent of the fans failed yesterday.
The loudest cheer of the game was for a fat ass dancing to YMCA.
Charley West:
The YMCA guy is a complete embarrassment, no two ways about it. Anytime a morbidly obese person is featured on the video board, do you think West Virginia's image is going to be improved? Nah, I didn't think so either.
When an athletic department is 100% fine with guy performing and actually encourages it, you know there's a problem with the athletic department. Charley West for Athletic Director!
5th Year Senior:
Don't send me emails saying I hate fat people. I love fat people. If you don't believe me, just ask Betty from last night about how much I love fat people.
Anywho, to the people that are sure to respond, "The team should give us something to cheer about." Shut the fuck up. We got our reputation of being a tough place to play during some pretty damn mediocre years. Stand up and cheer. It is not that hard, especially if you want absolute perfection on every play from the players.
And on that note, the conversation ended, as it probably should have.
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To The People That Are Sure To Respond: "The Team Should Give Us Something To Cheer About..."
Shut the fuck up! That’s hilarious.
It is a subtle point, maybe even an offhand one, 5th, but our reputation as a tough place to visit was crafted in a different era…one in which double-digit wins wasn’t an expectation. Maybe now that we have become accustomed to “successful” seasons involving 10 or 11 wins, our fans disengage when the team isn’t playing well.
Perhaps we are turning into wine and cheese types who cheer using the word “bravo.”
We hear all kinds of excuses as to why...
The fans are not cheering anymore. Well, I am tired of hearing excuses from the fans as to why they are not performing. I want to see results in the stands and not just talk. If they do not perform up to my expectations next game, noise on EVERY play and beating every fan of opposing teams to death before they even walk into the stadium, they should be fired from being allowed to purchase tickets in the future. Are you going to accept mediocrity?
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 9, 2009 7:58 AM EST up reply actions
Yes, I concur . . .
Charley Brown for AD!!!
by Dr. Charley's Mama on Nov 8, 2009 10:07 PM EST reply actions
Hilarious.
Luckily I get my wit from the other side of the family.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 8, 2009 10:16 PM EST up reply actions
Seriously......
It isn’t just that the fans expect more, it’s that this team has no intensity, no personality. The teams of the past and even coaches played with a chip on their shoulder, it was all of us, team included, against the world. I haven’t missed a game since ‘92 so I have seen a lot of football at Mountaineer field. The crowd needs to be more vocal, but blame hardesty for taking a lot of the edge from our house. It’s hard to be a scary place to play when you have all that stupid shit on the video board, we can be a tough place to play and not act like a bunch of douche bags. Be loud, be obnoxious, but use a little common sense. I scream and yell and raise all sorts of cain but I also try to make sure I keep it clean for the small ears around me.
I blame a sense of entitlement.
People for some reason think we deserve to win 11+ games every year.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 9, 2009 7:54 AM EST up reply actions
My 2 cents
I just recently started sitting in the student section (had season tickets for years on the 35 but no longer can afford them) and I’m amazed by the lack of energy produced by our student section. My biggest beef is with people who put 3 fingers up in the air to signify 3rd down. I know its 3rd down, I’m watching the game, unlike half of the students. Instead of holding 3 fingers up, try making some noise instead. I make noise on every down, but I cheer my ass off on 3rd and 4th downs. I even saw students with textbooks studying during the 4th quarter of the UConn game. Pathetic. If you need to study, stay at home and let someone else use the ticket. In my opinion this whole problem began when they started doing online ticketing.
Re: Charley's wit
Charley, honey, thank god you didn’t get your brains from the other side of the family. . .
by Dr. Charley's Mama on Nov 8, 2009 11:09 PM EST reply actions
I’m a student now and I just can’t stand the student section. We certainly don’t deserve all those seats. Let some real fans come to a few games. There just isn’t any fire or intensity coming from our sections. Unfortunately, I don’t really know how to make the students more intense. Maybe we should start recruiting students as fans? I don’t know. Either way it’s just a disgrace to be lumped in with those fools.
Keith Kuminski
Charley West for AD
c’mon, that ship has sailed. I even sent in my $100 for the campaign (to some guy in Nigeria, I think).
Jarrett Brown should be our starter at least for the short-term?
You say that as if he’s a junior and we just started the season. He’s got 3 games left in his collegiate football career. Face it, the concussion screwed him up or the staff rushed him back too quick. That was a nasty hit he took. Looked worse than Pat White’s hit in the Syracuse game last year.
The team sucks, so let’s crticize the fans. I don’t pay $50 to sit on the stands and watch a bunch of people dressing up like their favorite player like it’s Halloween. I go to watch the actual team. I am of the opinion, who cares about our fans. Miami doesn’t even have fans, but they’ve still won 5 titles, and no one cares that no one watches them play.
If the poor fans fire you up, but not the poor play….
by The 25314 on Nov 9, 2009 8:18 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Both fire me up.
We played poorly but we got a W and at the end of the day that is all that matters. This team may not have passed the eye test, yet again, but we got the W. We can sit around and talk about not looking sexy or even slightly attractive but we won and are ranked yet again.
At least the team tried their hardest during the game. The same cannot be said for the fans.
I know you are as passionate or more passionate than a majority of our fans, so how can you approve of the atmosphere at Mountaineer Field? It was totally lacking on Saturday.
If you are going to throw out a lot criticism, you should be able to take it too.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 9, 2009 8:53 AM EST up reply actions
I am tired of hearing this:
We played poorly but we got a W and at the end of the day that is all that matters.
Stop saying it. Because what do you say when we lose? You’re not an elite team, or even a decent team, when you beat Louisville by 8. If you can’t understand that there is more to football than just a W against a dreadful team, then we’re all in trouble.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 9, 2009 9:00 AM EST up reply actions
Damn, Charley...
I am hardly all sunshine and light this week, but I think it is clear we’re probably not elite this year. Offensive production is off, and the defense (which may have an excuse because of the task being demanded of them) is breaking a little more than it used to just bend….BUT….it is still about W’s and L’s. Winning is winning. We’re 7-2 and ranked. And I do know from years of handicapping that each game is its own universe. We came out flat, the crowd got flat, the game seemed to happen in a vacuum. And even without any positive vibe, we won…that is worth something.
I hate making statements like this….but this Friday night is THE Game, I think. Our season will be defined by it. Win or lose, I think I will judge this team – players and coaches – by the effort we see in this game.
USC lost to a “dreadful” Washington team. Michigan lost to a “dreadful” Illinois team. Oklahoma has lost to several teams I am sure its fans would label “dreadful.” We struggled with Louisville, terrible as they may be, but we did emerge with a win, and that is better than the alternative!
YMCA (extremely large) Guy
When is YMCA guy going to graduate? I feel like he has been at WVU for the entire decade. I thought he was funny the first time I saw him at a basketball game in 2003. Then he did it again at the very next game, and I have hated that fat fuck ever since. I am willing to bet he hasn’t been laid once during his ten years in college. And not because he weighs 400 pounds, its because he’s in the band.
He graduated
I believe he’s a director with the band.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 9, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions
Moe, the original, was better
back in the early 90’s…..This guy is trying to entertain and keep it going, but most of us have gotten over the novelty
Deja vu all over again.
Last year: “Oh shit, we’re underperforming and people are getting pissed… uhh… let’s distract them from how shitty the football team is playing by making a huge deal about the booing! Because booing has…. uhhh… never happened before at a college stadium!”
This year: “Oh shit, we’re underperforming and people are getting pissed… uhh… let’s distract them from how shitty the football team is playing by making a huge deal about the apathy of the crowd! Because an apathetic crowd has…. uhhh… never happened before at a college stadium!”
Has anyone started to brainstorm what the distraction should be for 2010?
I don't think it was meant as a distraction (JMO)
Just offering up another thing to discuss. A lot of the arguments/observations every week have gotten a bit redundant.
Well, this just mirrors 2008 to a laughable extent. Last year, we were 4-2 and coming off of a horrible home win against the ’cuse and the homers basically ran out of arguments that were pro-Stew and turned the cannons on the fans. On the plus-side, after that happened, the team turned around and was pretty good (compared to earlier in the year) down the stretch. Hopefully the deja vu will continue…
by The Double U on Nov 9, 2009 10:25 AM EST up reply actions
Definitely not trying to distract.
Both have glaring errors, it just so happened that we talked about the less important stuff (read: fans) on Sunday (when traffic is low) instead of Monday (when traffic is high).
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 9, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
I declined the invite to your pity party
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 9, 2009 2:37 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah, Well 2008 Worked Out In My Opinion...
….pretty sure we ended on a high there. I would welcome that experience again with one more W in the win column.
The fans are the problem?
What a freaking joke! I work my a** off to buy my tickets and take my nine year old to every home game. I used to be one of the drunken idiots screaming profanity during the game while the parents around me glared at me angrily. Then…, I started taking my son to Morgantown when he was six. In three seasons since, he has seen a coed do a strip tease in the seat in front of him, a fight, had a student scream the “F Bomb” in his face, and listened to numerous drunken morons scream filthy words until they were too sick to continue on. We do not sit in or near the student section. We sit in sec 127. Some of us “real fans” are glad that Mountaineer Field has been cleaned up a little. None of this has anything to do with the fact that our team is stinking it up and our coaching staff is turning out to be the joke that most of us suspected on January 3rd, 2008 when we woke up to the news… Is placing the blame on the fans a convenient way of turning the attention from the staff?
where in the above post did it say the fans were the only problem?
it was just offering another discussion topic because they agreed that the team looked bad on Sat
Are you opposed to yelling...
“oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo” or “Lets go defense get a stop here” or “OOOOOOOOOOOOOo W-V-U Firstdown”???
That is all I ask for. The fans around me won’t even do that and look at while I am making noise in an attempt to help the team.
If you all can constantly bash the coach for not doing his job then I can bash the fans for not doing their job.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 9, 2009 2:36 PM EST up reply actions
Not opposed to cheering
I may be overly sensitive to this subject, but it seems that every conversation regarding the fans comes back to the “former glory of Mountaineer Field” when we threw batteries on the field or threw up in our seats. I refuse to be relegated to an end zone “family freindly” section so people can act like idiots.
Equating the fans “jobs” to the staff’s job is laughable. I pay $2,800 annually (not including travel or parking pass) for my family to get our “jobs”. I consider it money well spent for great seats to watch a nationally respected program. I live 20 minutes from Joan C Edwards satdium and could buy 4 season tickets there for $352 if I just wanted to cheer for a division 1 team.
I’m very proud of the tradition and history of Mountaineer football. We are still regarded as a national power, but that will not continue if we do not beat quality opponents consistently. This season and last, we lost most (maybe every) game against quality opponents. We can’t look at our record when our victories are coming against losing programs. We have to beat the big boys on our schedule for me to “support” the staff. I’m going to Cincinnati on Thursday and will be there CHEERING for my team even though I think our staff is out-manned. I hope/pray/wish for them to prove me wrong.
"Stinking It Up?"
….is when you LOSE! Ugly is better than losing! And I understand your reticence about the bad language, but I am pretty sure my oldest son would have been into the striptease, unless it was total porkopolis.
morbidly fat guy
If the morbidly fat guy had been Gabriel Iglesias, who’s actually fluffy and not fat at all, it wouldn’t have been so bad…
by The Appalachian Man on Nov 9, 2009 2:24 PM EST reply actions
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