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TSM Coaching Approval Meter (Post-Pitt, 2009)

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Two things we know:

  1. We reached a new all-time low last week, dropping to 28% "approval" after the Cincinnati loss.
  2. The approval will be higher this week.

But how much higher?

We beat a top 10 Pitt team, which is awesome in every respect.  But will HCBS continue to be judged for some in-game clock and game management gaffes that seem to be present every single week?  Find out when we play this week's version of TSM Coaching Approval Meter!

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Do you approve of the job currently being done by Coach Bill Stewart and staff?
Yes
236 votes
No
145 votes

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I voted YES!

What were the in-game clock and game management issues you speak of Mr. West?

I questioned going for it on 4th down from our 26 at first but after second thought and remembering the wind, it was the right call. Would you rather he punted?

Not running another play before trying the game winning kick? Why chance a fumble or loss of yards? It was third so a potential bobbled snap could be spiked and we would get another chance at a game winner.

Those are arguable decisions but not absolutely the wrong calls.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 4:39 PM EST reply actions  

Umm, the biggest and most baffling...

…was the field goal on 3rd and goal from the 3 with 8 seconds left in the half. That’s plenty of time for another play and shot at the endzone.

by Dr. Charley West on Nov 30, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions  

We had no timeouts and

JB had to run for his life to gain 3 yards on the previous play. Pitt was sure to bring pressure again and we couldn’t afford a sack or intentional grounding. I agree with the call.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions  

Can't believe you agree with that.

You design a play that takes .005 seconds to get rid of the ball. Snap it, grip the laces, throw a fade to the corner. No chance for intentional grounding (really, that was an actual concern of your’s?) or a sack. Yes, he could throw an interception, but you only get that close to the endzone so many times in a game. You need 7 points.

by Dr. Charley West on Nov 30, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions  

Risk vs. Reward...

At that point in time we needed a guarantee of some points.

In the end it worked.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

So many problems with what you just said.
At that point we needed a guarantee of some points.

Why? That just seems to be a made up excuse on why we kicked the field goal. Of course, earlier in the game, Stewart went for it on 4th and 8 from within field goal distance. Did we need points then, too?

If we throw a pass on third down, what is more likely: a touchdown, or a play that results in a turnover or the clock running out? Surely it has to be the touchdown, right? I mean, we were only 3 yards away. Throw it to the corner, where only our player can catch it, and see if it works. If it doesn’t, then kick. It’s not brain surgery.

In the end it worked.

How did it work? Because we made the field goal? Because we won the game? I don’t get how passing up a shot at a touchdown can “work.”

by Dr. Charley West on Nov 30, 2009 5:30 PM EST up reply actions  

So many problems with what you just said.
Surely it has to be the touchdown, right?

Why? We had the exact same situation early in the game and JB had to scramble. Why take a chance at getting NO points?

You act like a Pitt player has no chance to intercept a fade or that a LB could hit the gap and put pressure on JB before he has a chance to get a pass off.

I don’t get how passing up a shot at a touchdown can “work.”

19-16, that is how it "works." We won.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

i may not be a very smart man...

but i know a good coach when i see one! 10 – 3 with a Gator Bowl victory looks like success to me!

by cabincreekzeke on Nov 30, 2009 4:41 PM EST reply actions  

Still NO

Our team found a way to win in spite of HCBS denying them 6 points. Defense was awesome, but the offense still has no identity and the play calling was poor in key situations. The end of the half and the end of the game clock management was insane. EDSBS’s joke posted this morning rings painfully true. Thank you #7!

by WVUEric on Nov 30, 2009 4:55 PM EST reply actions  

When we get beat...

It is because of HCBS but when we win it is in spite of him?

Outside of quitting, what can he do to make you happy?

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 5:05 PM EST up reply actions  

Easy answer...

Fire Jeff Mullen next Monday and prove that he wants to win more than he wants to be “loyal” to bad coaches. Not many would argue that Mullen should go, but no one believes that he will… If Stew would do anything to show that he is in charge and winning a NC is a priority, I would be on his team. Contrary to your implications, most of his detractors want him to suceed.

by WVUEric on Nov 30, 2009 5:13 PM EST up reply actions  

A lot would argue that point.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 6:43 PM EST up reply actions  

I think with a better O-line

Mullen would look a whole lot smarter. Fire the O-line coach, I don’t think the entire system is broken.

by phucoffaholic on Nov 30, 2009 7:17 PM EST up reply actions  

System?

What system? What is our offensive strategy? Our offense has no identity. But, I agree that Johnson should go. I also would bet you a weeks pay that he will not because Stew doesn’t have the intestinal fortitude to fire anyone. He would rather lose than hurt someones feelings…

by WVUEric on Dec 1, 2009 7:59 AM EST up reply actions  

He would rather lose?

Come on man, statements like that make all your other points look crazy.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Dec 1, 2009 9:01 AM EST up reply actions  

Show that winning a NC is a priority?

WTF do you think he’s trying to do, shave points? This is seriously the most asinine statement I’ve read on this site, and that’s saying a lot. You’re basically saying Stew isn’t trying to win, which is one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard. Every coach wants to win, and at the highest level.

by Country Roads on Nov 30, 2009 9:18 PM EST up reply actions  

Sorry

I get so confused being such an idiot that sometimes it seems like he would rather be home with his bride than out straining with the lads. BTW, he shaved 6 points on Friday night, so yes. Do you actually believe that he has the nads to fire anyone or take out any player who isn’t performing? That “is seriously the most asinine statement I’ve read on this site, and that’s saying a lot.”

by WVUEric on Dec 1, 2009 7:56 AM EST up reply actions  

Just shaking my head.

He didn’t “shave” points. I know you’re smarter than that.

Pat Miller, Ryan Clarke, Will Johnson and Robert Sands have all seen their roles increase since the start of the season. That means that a player that was not performing well, is seeing less playing time. That means he has taken some player out that are not performing. Your statement is proven wrong.

The season is not over so you have absolutely no clue if he will fire anyone. Look at the NFL to see how smart it is to fire a coordinator during the season.

You are the type of fan that they were talking about on the Sportsline Sunday night. The type that could drive our D-Coordinator to FSU.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Dec 1, 2009 8:59 AM EST up reply actions  

Based on Stew's replacement of Lider with Bitancurt on kickoffs,

I’d say yes, I do believe he has the nads to take out a player who isn’t performing.

by Country Roads on Dec 1, 2009 9:15 AM EST up reply actions  

I voted Yes

I can’t say that Bill would have been in my top 10 choices for the head coaching job, but he got it. He has a .720 overall record and a .500 record against Pitt. RichRod had a .6977 overall and a .5714 against Pitt.

Other than it not being as fun to watch, I can’t see a whole lot of difference in the outcomes. I’m waiting to see what he does when RichRod’s recruits have all graduated or turned pro.

by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 30, 2009 6:33 PM EST reply actions  

yes

with two weeks to prepare and get healthy, it was probably the most complete game we’d played all year. somebody had to get these guys focused, so i’ll have to credit the coaches.

and … while the thought of learning the ropes of being an offensive coordinator on wvu’s dime has pretty much driven me nuts, mullen seems to be slowly accepting the k.i.s.s. approach to play-calling and saving the gadget plays for change-ups vs. change for change’s sake.

both the staff and the team may finally be getting comfortable with their jobs. this is crucial to set up what should be wvu’s watershed season next year.

by grumpnet on Nov 30, 2009 6:55 PM EST reply actions  

Yes

Changing my vote from the last couple of weeks. If anything, the D just played better all around, Jarrett moved the ball around well and our play calling at least didn’t have too many glaring “WTF” calls.

I know that our O-line still got schooled, and if they went and kidnapped Trickett and brought him back I’d be happier for it. Still, I’d have to say they got the team to play better and to win the game.

by phucoffaholic on Nov 30, 2009 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

I voted....

No. The 3rd down FG call at end of half was learned at the Bo Shembechler/Woody Hayes School of Coaching (Don Nehlen was product and now Bill Stewart)….very numbing call……that is the epitome of “conservative”….a philosophy that WVU threw out the window w/ the hiring of Rodriguez and the firing of Nehlen.

It will be interesting to see how the Mountaineers respond to a hostile environment against a nice opponent in Rutgers coming off of an emotional game against the arch-rival. I am expecting a let down as winning these games is usually reserved for the more sophisticated head coaches, who understand how to push the players’ buttons.

by WVUColumbus on Nov 30, 2009 7:15 PM EST reply actions  

If we win next week will you vote yes?

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 8:57 PM EST up reply actions  

Also..

You don’t want our coach to be like two of the greatest coaches in college football history? You want him to be more like Fraud?

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 9:06 PM EST up reply actions  

If u are calling woody and Bo two of the best in history, I agree. If you are labeling the same to don nehlen, I might disagree. He was very good, but best in history? No.

And rich rod had double digit wins here 3 years in a row after wvu had only won at least 10 games 4 times in the previous 114 years combined. He is a bad guy. But he was a very good coach here. If being more like “fraud” meant top 10 teams, yes I would want him to be more like “fraud.”

if being more like Bo means top 10, I want him to be like Bo. But college football is an offensive game now. You aren’t going to win alot of games with 19 points.

by The 25314 on Dec 1, 2009 3:15 PM EST via mobile up reply actions  

Who said anything about...

wanting to be like Hayes or Shembechler? But I’ll answer truthfully…….Of course I wouldn’t want them to be a head coach right now just like I wouldn’t want Nehlen or Stewart to be a head coach right now. Times have changed, like 25134 stated. The game is completely different and one of the most criticized people is frequently Jim Tressel who is slowly becoming more and more aggressive (ok, less conservative)…..He has the best talent, year in and year out, and he has probably put up 45 1-3 times in his career….Good defense for sure, but many times his conservative nature has burned the Suckeyes.

by WVUColumbus on Dec 1, 2009 6:23 PM EST up reply actions  

You brought up Bo and Woody.

So you wouldn’t be happy with Tressel either? What the heck would you be happy with?

You don’t have to score 45 points to win a game. You only have to score more points than the other team. First it was the 35 point threshold and now it is up to 45. What next 50?
 
I have said it before and I’ll say it again. You would piss and moan if we only won a national title game by 1 point.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Dec 2, 2009 1:16 PM EST up reply actions  

I fail to appreciate....

votes for Yes or No to the question of the head coach approval meter based on the outcome of ONE football game…..It seems to me that WVU left some points on the board, but 5YS is accurate in that many WVU fans just want him gone, because they know he’s not the right choice for the job.

It could never be about one game….it’s the accumulation of coaching gaffes, indecisions, preparation and focus issues of the players, play-calling, and a slow but steady transition from an exciting/aggressive program to an outdated, conservative one…..oh and the fact that I don’t think he’s going to take WVU to its first NC, which is the goal every season (especially in a winnable conference w/ only 7 other teams)

by WVUColumbus on Nov 30, 2009 7:23 PM EST reply actions  

Just making sure I understand this.

If he wins 10 games he should be fired becase he does not win in an exciting manner? Nevada has one of the most exciting offenses in college football but fails to win a lot in a crap conference.

Do you want to win or look pretty? If you want to look pretty there is a beauty school on Prospect Street in Morgantown that is accepting aplicaitons.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 9:01 PM EST up reply actions  

No

If you’ve decided you wish for the FG to be the last play of the game, then of course you use the time-out with ~3 seconds to go. That’s dandy. But why waste the last thirty seconds and put your noob kicker at the edge of his range on the hash when you can use your extra down to try to get a couple yards closer and/or center up the ball and THEN use the time-out?

by bicklefischerkane on Nov 30, 2009 8:07 PM EST reply actions  

If you loose yards you are out of range.

It is better to be at the edge of a kickers range rather than out of his range.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 30, 2009 9:00 PM EST up reply actions  

And you can't say it's a good idea to kick on 3rd down...

…in order to be able to recover a botched snap or whatever. Three seconds ain’t enough time for that: barring some really odd outcome, you have one snap there. So just kick on 4th down.

by bicklefischerkane on Nov 30, 2009 8:10 PM EST reply actions  

Some of you are pathetic.

If you’re not happy with a win over a top 10 Pitt team, you’ll never be happy. I feel sorry for you, I really do. Good luck waiting on that perfect game and pissing and moaning when it never happens while the rest of us enjoy the good times.

by Country Roads on Nov 30, 2009 9:25 PM EST reply actions  

I'm thrilled.

I completely agreed with the decision to run the clock down before the last FG. That was the play. I just can’t wrap my head around the call to quick kick the field goal at the end of a half. You’re at the 3 yard line, you need to at least try to take advantage of that. Am I wrong?

by Dr. Charley West on Nov 30, 2009 11:31 PM EST up reply actions  

You're right

I understand that things can go wrong, but I don’t like to play with the mentality of being scared. It’s very easy to just call a play where Jarrett rolls out and gets rid of it in 2-3 seconds. If it doesn’t score, that’s fine. But you have to at least attempt it.

Keith Kuminski

by WildcatPat6 on Nov 30, 2009 11:54 PM EST up reply actions  

For the record

I thought we should have run another play, too. But we won, so I’m happy. I’m not going to waste my time worrying about what we could have done different or better, mostly because A) it’s all hindsight, B) what I think doesn’t make any difference anyway, and C) we won, so really, other than maybe being a more “impressive” victory, what difference does it make?

by Country Roads on Dec 1, 2009 9:07 AM EST up reply actions  

Hear, Hear!

Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.

by JP Fanshawe on Dec 1, 2009 9:31 AM EST up reply actions  

It does make a difference

It may not have in this particular game, but making errors like that may end up hurting us in other games. There needs to be a pattern of “correct” decisions so that when the times comes that our game depends on it, we’re not having this same discussion.

by Dr. Charley West on Dec 1, 2009 11:29 AM EST up reply actions  

I Agree...KindaSorta

…but the thing is blame seems to be assigned when a decision doesn’t work, but no credit given when decisions are made that do. Perhaps that is because when a play works, there is little to question. When one doesn’t, it’s easy to say: “We should have…” I said to my brother right before our last drive, that if we got into field goal range, I would give the coaching staff a pass for its previous miscues in the game, because clearly it was going to take some good decisions to get into position for that kick. As a comparison, did you see how Texas A & M handled its last couple of possessions against Texas? I agree completely that making errors like the ones we made can hurt us, but so could a myriad of other things that happen in every game – turnovers lost, turnovers NOT gained from the other team, penalites called and not called, etc.

To me, the point is we won despite some gaffes, and all good teams have to do that. I really do wish we would blow someone out, though…I mean it feels like forever to me since we put a complete game together on both sides of the ball, and that bugs the cuss out of me.

Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.

by JP Fanshawe on Dec 1, 2009 3:27 PM EST up reply actions  

Good Point JP

The point is that the decisions that were made in this particular game resulted in a win. If/when the poor coaching decisions result in a loss, I’ll criticize them. You can always find fault with decisions that are made. Very rarely (read: never) will we coach or play a perfect game. So as long as we win, I’m not going to complain.

by Country Roads on Dec 1, 2009 9:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Yes and Yes

I voted Yes. I enjoyed that win. I enjoy my bragging rights for a year after putting up with misery for 2.

Yes, you are wrong on that 3rd and goal before the half. You can’t “leave” points on the field. Nothing can ever be called a sure thing. Botched snap, penalty, sack, etc… Same with the kick, it could have gone bad too. But to make it 3-3 is better than failing and trailing 3-0.
You’ve got to take points when you can get them.

If any call down near the goal line you want to argue, it’s the first time they were down there on 4th and goal from the one and they called a pass play and Brown runs for his life for a 9 yard loss? Granted the D held, but at worst, you don’t score you have a chance at a safety and pinning them on their goal line.
My call would have been Clarke busting it up the middle. Power against Power.

Country, and 5YS, you can’t make everyone happy all the time, or for that matter some of the people some of the time. WVUEric, CBus, and ESP35 are the type that no matter how great things happen to them they will find a black cloud in the sky. To them misery is the best thing to being happy.

I like HCBS and I agree with how he wants to run the program for the most part. I’d like to see some changes, but that would happen on any team any year. HOWEVER, I do believe I have seen enough of Mr. Mullen’s offense to say it would be best for him to move along.

by BurghMountaineer on Nov 30, 2009 11:55 PM EST reply actions  

What???

I really love how a differing viewpoint makes me a miserable person. It is obvious to me that you are a homosexual who loves goats and kittens from your post. The funny thing is that your last paragraph is an exact replica of what I posted above.

by WVUEric on Dec 1, 2009 8:07 AM EST up reply actions  

I'm not miserable...

I simply prefer a different head coach who won’t lead us to annual 8-4 records…..it’s just not good enough in this conference and I’d predict that many on here agree….deal w/ it.

by WVUColumbus on Dec 1, 2009 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

We're 8-3 right now...

…and favored by a field goal to go 9-3. That wouldn’t quite be 8-4, would it?

by Dr. Charley West on Dec 2, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe...

Maybe Stew kicked on third down in the first half because earlier he saw J Brown take a rediculous 10 yard sack on 4th and goal and was a little afraid it could happen again.

I agree, in a perfect world, there was time for one more play, but we don’t know what the coaches know about how the players will respond. I truely think Stewart knows that J Brown has a tendency to panic like his jock is on fire, so he wanted to be sure to get the points.

by WVUSouth on Dec 1, 2009 6:47 AM EST reply actions  

I vote yes

The defense was out of this world great! Also, as much as I would bash Stew for the abysmal KO coverage, we have to give him credit for finding and preparing our kicker. Don’t forget we graduated a pretty good one.

by WVUSouth on Dec 1, 2009 6:50 AM EST reply actions  

Yes....

I agree with Cbus (!) that this approval meter really is somewhat flawed. Our true assessment of the work done by the staff will come in January. All the poll probably shows is a fickle fan base unudulating with the last game’s result. It will be interesting to look at once the season is over…that jagged line that dips after losses and rises after wins.

I think WVU South hits it right on. I don’t like to say this, but I think JB has become a serious handicap to this offense. Did anyone see that replay from an endzone camera where you could clearly see his eyes? It was “one read, now panic!” I think Mullen’s playcalling has been handicapped by the quarterback play for the last few games. How else to explain that more than half of our plays develop behind the line of scrimmage, where the worst thing that can happen is a loss of yardage?

Now, maybe you can blame Stew for not benching him mid-season, but that might have had its downside as well.

I have to say I didn’t mind going for it on fourth early in the game (although JB taking that sack and giving them 10 yards of breathing room caused me to break something). Isn’t that a sign of “killer instinct” so many of you deride Stew for not having? It certainly isn’t conservative! I was annoyed as it happened, that we didn’t run a play on third down and kick on fourth as the half ended, but, upon further reflection, it was probably the right call, given the wind and some erratic play from the QB.

It is odd how things work out. If you had told me that we held Cincy to 24 points, I would have told you we won, but we lost. If you had told me that we only score 19 against Pitt, I would have told you that we lost, but we won. Great job, defense…!

And where is the love for Keith Tandy? I went over to Pitt Blather just to see what was being said, and more than one person mentioned “that damn No. 8, he had a great game.” In fact, where is Keith Tandy!?! Get on here and talk it up!

Fanshawe out!

Now is the time boys to make a big noise.
No matter what the people say,
For there is naught to fear, the gang's all here,
So hail West Virginia, hail.

by JP Fanshawe on Dec 1, 2009 8:22 AM EST reply actions  

Agreed on Tandy

Amazing how a guy that was so down after the USF game could come back and play so well. That probably wouldn’t have happened had Lockwood not stuck with him when times were tough. Ditto for Hogan and even Sands, who have taken their lumps this year as well. To me, their improvement is evidence that the defensive coaches (in this instance, Lockwood and Dunlap) know what they’re doing.

by Country Roads on Dec 1, 2009 9:12 AM EST up reply actions  

What?

You’re an idiot. Our coaches have no clue what they are doing.

Italics mean sarcasm.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Dec 1, 2009 10:59 AM EST up reply actions  

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