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For ten weeks, we have polled you-the-reader on whether you have approved of the job being done by our coaching staff.  And for ten straight weeks, I have marked my "yes" vote pretty confidently.  That streak ends today.

Remember, either way you vote, please enumerate your rationale in the comments.

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Do you approve of the job currently being done by Coach Bill Stewart and staff?
Yes
150 votes
No
203 votes

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Nov 2009 from Dawg Sports - 9 comments

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After the Auburn game I voted yes because I felt as if the players did not perform. This game was a mixture of both. Some kids had bad games but the coaches did not put them in the best position to win.

Do I think HCBS should be fired? No. But I do not approve of punting from the USF 33 or many of the offensive play calls after our first score.

It was a terrible night but I think we can right the ship against ’Ville and go into the Cincy game with a little momentum.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 2, 2009 11:07 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes...barely...

USF has our number. They did when RR was here and they still do. You have to give them some credit.

Despite the poor performance we still control our own destiny in the Big East. Do I think that will happen? Not really. Is it possible? Certainly. For that reason I still vote “yes.”

However…Jeff Casteel and his defense have me on the very brink of a “no.” That side of the ball was suppose to be our bread-and-butter this year, and after returning a lot of starters they have been miserable every single week. Every week they manage to make some scrub look like the second coming of John Elway.

Luckily, we have Looeyville and the Krag coming to town for what should be a nice bounce back game against a crap team heading into the big one with Cincy.

by jim_e25 on Nov 2, 2009 11:08 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

NO

I have waited since late Friday night to click that little button. I will not click YES again until I see 4 quarters of inspired football (win or lose).

by SirFloppyChode on Nov 2, 2009 11:14 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

My first NO vote...

Poor adjustments (Tandy played the entire game), poor game planning (where were Noel & Sanders), poor game mangement (that punt was the WORST decision of HCBS tenure), and a defense that is regressing instead of improving. Overall, a lousy effort…

by WVUEric on Nov 2, 2009 11:15 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Mine too...

I almost felt dirty clicking that little no button but I had to do it. Even though I love the man, HCBS had a terrible game.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 2, 2009 11:24 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Just barely...yes....

This was for all the staff. I only one I can say no to is Casteel and the defensive unit. Punting from the USF 33, although at the time it seemed gutless, turned into a safety for our defense. I believe, from reading Stew’s comments, that Koz was to coffin corner the kick and did not. That safety was almost a defensive touchdown and almost led to momentum changing offensive touchdown. It worked once, and our offense was not moving the ball well. If it ain’t broke, no sense fixing it. Maybe we should have gone for it, but I can’t fault him for not either.

The only comment from Stew I question is where he has stated he doesn’t play favorites and we always have our best 11 on the field. I really think there is someone on the bench better than #8 was that night. Some nights you have it, some you don’t, and #8 didn’t have it that night.

And as far as favorites are concerned, come on Stew. JB just doesn’t have the football IQ to run our offense the way we are trying to do. If we want to throw the ball down the field, we need to bring in Geno. He is much more effective with that game plan. If we want to run the option or an occasional bubble screen (and I strongly emphasize OCCASIONAL), JB is our go to guy. He played a miserable game, but did anyone notice he was actually tucking away the football and protecting it? Let’s play smarter, not harder. We might be trying so hard that we’re losing focus.

So even though it was close (51/49), I’ll barely say yes, because I was satisfied with the majority. It takes tough skin to be a true Mountaineer fan—the glass always has to be half full.

by wvdiehard on Nov 2, 2009 11:21 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Correction (I think I'm right on this one)...

The punt from the 33 was kicked into the endzone for a touchback and was a gutless call. The punt from the 38, we took a 5 yard delay of game penalty and then downed th the ball inside the 5 and USF had a penalty to push’em back farther.

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 2, 2009 11:28 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

You're right

The punt from the 33, according to one of the posts from the S/T today, was supposed to be a coffin corner, and Koz put into the middle of the endzone. The first punt was downed at like the 2 or 3 and then we had an extra USF penalty for 1/2 the distance, so it wasn’t too much extra pushing them back. If we could have coffin cornered that kick inside the 5, another safety could have been possible is all I’m saying. Yeah, it was still gutless, but what if it had resulted in another safety?

by wvdiehard on Nov 2, 2009 11:34 AM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I voted yes for the simple fact that we still have a winning record

I look at the entire season not one game when I vote in these polls and so far we have had bad moments but we also have had good moments and we have a 6-2 or 7-2 record so I still say yes

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by WVPiratesfan on Nov 2, 2009 12:40 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I will always vote YES

as long as we get 6 wins. I don’t understand what the big deal is…..6-6 gets us to a bowl……isn’t that why we play the season out.

I think those of you who think WVU should strive for 10-11 wins each year are unrealistic. What do you think we are…Ohio State? Florida? USC?

Stewart is a great MAN, who is NOT arrogant at all. As long as our head coach presents himself well, that’s enough for me.

I also approve of the job by Mike Parsons and Ed Pastilong….That MSN intro music is fantastic. It’s soooooo fresh.

by WVUColumbus on Nov 2, 2009 12:52 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

I don't

Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.

by 5th Year Senior on Nov 2, 2009 1:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I actually like the MSN music….makes me think of Cyrus Jones for some reason.

But seriously, as long as we are graduating young men and helping them become good daddies and husbands, WVU is doing its job of developing student athletes at a higher learning institution.

by The 25314 on Nov 2, 2009 1:53 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Voted Yes

Although Stewart, Mullen, and Casteel had some hand in our loss they weren’t the primary reason that we crapped out in Tampa.

Some of Mullen’s playcalling was suspect (3rd and long, and we run a QB draw), punting on USF’s 38 was just mindboggling, and the lack of intensity that we’ve witnessed all year were annoying as hell. That’s about where the blame for the coaches ends.

As I’ve said in other posts on here what exactly was Mullen supposed to do? I’ve heard people suggest handing it off to Devine or running the option with JB. My response to this: Did you actually watch this game or were you drunk off your ass in front of the television?

Devine was getting stuffed all night thanks to our offensive line, and Jarrett barely had the speed to elude USF’s front four and linebackers on a few scrambles…let alone running the zone read. The passing game went to hell because our offensive line couldn’t stop USF’s pass rush. So if you’re Mullen how do you work with a line that struggles this much?

On defense we have players who were recruited as an afterthought the past 8 years prior to last season. The already thin dline has been rocked by injury all season long We have a secondary made up of former offensive skill players, juco transfers, and a corner who wouldn’t see playing time at most other 1A schools. We tried giving Tandy some help by committing a safety to him, but that just opened up other receivers or Daniels opportunity to break a long run.

Much like many of our other games the coaching wasn’t the issue on Friday, but a merely a small contributor to the overall problems plaguing our team this season. One of our players alone gave up 2 scores all by himself, and given that we only lost by 11 that made all the difference.

by Q-tip Motha on Nov 2, 2009 1:33 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Also, if anyone wants to see what a truly shitty coaching effort looks like review game tape from Michigan/Illinois this weekend, or more importantly Marshall/UCF last night.

The latter in particular really stands out as the perfect example of how a coach can cost his team the game.

by Q-tip Motha on Nov 2, 2009 1:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I agree

I voted yes based on the job HCBS has done so far. I definitely was not happy with the team’s performance on Friday, but coaching/playcalling was not the cause of this defeat. Mullens does not have a play to call that will work when the offensive line gets blown off the ball each and every play. We couldn’t run block nor could we pass protect, so we had to run those much maligned screens and draws to try and slow the defense down. Then everyone screams that we need to run Devine more. Like Q-tip, I wonder if these folks are watching the same game I am.

Contrary to what I read by many on this blog, Devine can’t do it on his own. Neither can JB. The offensive line is where everything begins. Just ask any great running back and he will credit his OL for opening the holes.

HCBS and company are living with the recruits from the coach whose name I won’t mention, and to call for their ouster before they have a chance to get their own guys in there, in my mind is premature. I realize that College football coaching is a what have you done for me lately proposition, but I do believe Stew needs a little more time.

For a little perspective, go read some of the Michigan fans blogs. I think they would take Stews results in a heartbeat. (And don’t anyone dare tell me that coaching in the Big Ten is more difficult that it is in the Big East. I hear that crap enough on ESPN.)

by dawg'eer8488 on Nov 2, 2009 3:36 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Only 36% approval? Really?

We didn’t play all that much worse than last week. Yet 50-60% of people think he’s doing a worse job now just because this time we lost?

I voted yes after Auburn because we actually looked good. I know we lost, but if you play well enough everything will take care of itself. You will win most games, gain respect, etc. That’s why I voted no after ugly wins. If you don’t play well, even when you win, it’s just a matter of time before the law of averages catches up with you.

by The 25314 on Nov 2, 2009 1:58 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

All in All, Yes

First off, I agree that we are really not giving USF much if any credit for the game they played. That team wanted that game more than we did. They were hungry and ready to play. And in the short history of this series, USF has played us very tough down there, so this shouldn’t have been a complete shock. At least not a shock that it was a tight game. I will say I was very disappointed in the loss.

I think that there were some poor decisions made on both sides of the ball. Most have already been said over and over, so I won’t rehash them. Yeah, ultimately those can all fall on HCBS as he’s “The Man”, but there were some things that we have to take into account for the future.

At 6-2, is WVU really in a bad situation? Take WVUColumbus and his post as being trughful for a second. WVU is at least bowl eligible, and we know that means someone out there will take WVU to a bowl, which gets them on t.v., and does help get the program out in front of people. Now, I will say, do we want to settle for the Papa John’s Bowl or the International Bowl? No, but if we end up going to one we have to show other teams, other bowls, other potential recruits that WVU comes to a game with a supportive fanbase and with an attitude of wanting to win. We are not the U and because we play in the Humanitarian Bowl we barely post.
At 6-2, with only one loss in the BE, do we control our own destiny? Yes. Is it likely that WVU can win out and go to the BCS? Well, it can happen. Let’s look at this. 4 games left. If they come out fired up, they can beat L-ville, then it’s a big game with Cincy. I truly believe that this team, when not shooting itself in the foot has the potential to play alongside Cincy and win this game. Then it’s Pitt, where records are meaningless. Finally, Rutgers, who we should do well against.
So yes, I drink the kool-aid still, and I think they have a shot at winning the BE. I can’t bet against them, they are my team. I have to keep hope alive.

The future of the WVU program? I read about that, but really we’re talking about 4 year cycles. Every 4 years your team turns over near 100%. Can you really forecast anything in college football past maybe 2 seasons? Honestly, Coach Stew has done a good job. He has kept the program from falling in the toilet, the players like him, and he’s being a disciplinarian, which this program needed after the last coach. He lives and breathes WVU Football. The man wants to win. Does he have all the tools? No, but rarely outside of USC, Florida, Texas, Oklahoma, Ohio State do other teams have all the tools. And even some of those teams have down years.

I support Coach Stewart. I don’t agree with 100% of his choices. I think I’d want to see Smith rotate in a series or two. I think I’d really question Mullen’s OC abilities. I think Stew has the qualities we want, but many still have the 2007 season stuck in our heads that we are still at that team’s level, and honestly we aren’t.

I probably rambled too much there, and most will disagree, but I like our Coach, and overall I’d say he’s getting the job done, but we’d like to see like a 15% boost in the output, and then we’d be quite happy.

I’d live someone to maybe rehash who we also thought where options after RR left, and where they currently stand. I wonder just how you can compare HCBS to them now and if we made the right choice or not.

by BurghMountaineer on Nov 2, 2009 2:01 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

You are being observant and unbiased. All in all a great post.

by Q-tip Motha on Nov 2, 2009 2:30 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I was with you until....

you said you would like to see Smith “rotate” in a series or two. Why? i think that’s a rediculous idea…

I voted NO for the first time this week too. We lost. Badly. we were beat on both sided of the ball. and special teams. period.

by cabincreekzeke on Nov 2, 2009 3:47 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

Seems pointless, but since you asked...

Butch Jones or Terry Bowden are both looking pretty good right now…

by WVUEric on Nov 2, 2009 4:24 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

I admit

I’m too critical of this staff at times and a bit too negative at times. I just don’t like Stew’s mentality. I don’t think he is aggressive enough. I think his passive mentality directly affects the team.

That manifested itself in his punt call Friday similarly as it did in his decision to play for overitme at Colorado last year.

 
The biggest problem I have had with him since the hire was his OC hire and decision on offensive philosphy.

He told us this new offense would be able to beat teams like USF and Pitt. So far I have yet to see that play out. Honestly I have yet to see anything that tells me he made the right decision with such a drastic change.

For this reason a loss against USF makes my vote a no.

by Beamer'sGoiter on Nov 2, 2009 4:07 PM EST via mobile reply actions   0 recs

voted no

as I did last week. I don’t see the O-line or D-secondary improving as the season goes on. good point by BG that this new offense isn’t really doing it against USF or Pitt (last year, either the snow or PW’s will barely carried us to victory).

What may not be the coaches fault is JB. It pains me to say this, but both times on the road with the game on the line in the 4th quarter, Brown underachieved, the entire quarter. Whatever it is that great players have, I haven’t seen it in the clutch from our quarterback.

Losing to Cincy is a given, and unless Pitt comes back down to earth, I don’t see our O-line doing any better against them.

by phucoffaholic on Nov 2, 2009 7:48 PM EST up reply actions   0 recs

YES

As much as I was temped to say no, I still voted yes because in my humble opinion it came down to execution on both sides of the ball. Granted, Stew and the gang missed some necessary adjustments and made some questionable decisions, I couldn’t stop thinking to myself that these guys looked uninspired and maybe that is coaching I dont know but sometimes you have be accountable for your actions in life.

If I don’t see marked improvement this weekend then its game on and by that I mean bring on basketball because I can’t watch this implosion.

KEN

by KENH on Nov 2, 2009 7:39 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes.....

I think it is still too early to judge the coach. He has started a lot better than Rodriguez so far in his first two years. He has revamped the offense as well. Like some of the other posts, I just hold my head with some of his decision making, but overall I think that the Mountaineers are for real. Having said that, I think that our hands are going to be full throughout the rest of the season. The Mountaineers have the potential to lose a couple more games this season.

by RSIDE6 on Nov 2, 2009 7:53 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Coaching Approval Meter

The 2009 Mounties do not have an identity. Are they a run first pass second team? Are they a pass first and run second team? Is the defense bend but don’t break or are they aggressive and risk oriented? I do not think he players or the fans know. That issue rests with the coaching staff and principally with HCBS. Other than his first game at the helm the team has struggled to find what works and what doesn’t. Stretch the field, spread the wealth both sound nice if you can execute but as successful business leaders will attest, trying to be all things to all customers just doesn’t work.
Offensively the game plan looks like something played on Saturday mornings in your neighbor’s backyard. Gimmicks and trick plays that fail more often than they succeed. Skilled athletes used in positions and situations for which they are not suited and capable athletes standing on the sidelines while 1st stringers struggle and fail. RR was stubborn in his offensive sets but no more so than BS. The reluctance to call JB’s number (he was recruited as a dual threat QB), the reluctance to pound the rock against slower weaker opponents, empty backfields on 3rd and short, and passes thrown two yards short of the 1st down marker are signs of an OC who does not have a clue. Being outgained by UConn and USF with the firepower we have is a clear indication the OC is in way over his head. Too many different offensive alignments indicates we are masters of none and downright stink at others. The Mounties ran the option once in the USF game for a 19 yard gain from Tavon and we never saw it again. This was the offense that was going to bring back the tight end and he caught exactly one pass on Friday. Devine used as a decoy was as truly strange and when he was wide open as a safety valve JB scrambled and was sacked or threw OB. While many fans have criticized the OL, there is virtually never a RB held in for blocking on obvious passing downs. Offensively, the Mounties should get the underachievers of the year award. This is a coaching issue. The weakness I see in this staff is the OC and the OL Coach. Neither is up to the job and the team’s results speak for themselves. The team lacks intensity, killer instinct, and identity. HCBS is right when he says players do not need to be yelled at when they just screwed on national TV. But the OC and OL coaches are not players and it’s time they take some heat publicly for their performance. They are probably great guys and one is a WVU grad, but at this point they have been abject failures. HCBS needs to make a half year adjustment and fix the problem.
Special Teams are a mixed bag. HCBS must be watching a different game than I am because I keep seeing a pooch kick that gives the opponent the ball on the 40 yd line. In eight games this year I think we have two touchbacks. Our kickers can’t be that bad. It appears our KO team is now gun shy and lacks any aggressiveness. They ruin to the 35 yd line and wait for the other team to come to them. For all the talk about players flying to the ball, I just do not see it. Punting from inside the opponents 40 twice in the same game shows the Coaches lack guts and confidence in the offense. When you lose confidence it is time to make changes in your approach to the game.
Defensively the team has underperformed and to some degree that rests with Casteel. We have been mediocre at applying pressure to the QB and our DBs just aren’t good enough to stay with receivers for more than a couple of seconds. Tandy has been a disaster all season and Hogan is running a close second. The 3-3-5 is supposed to allow pressure from more angles and positions than most opponents are accustomed, but we have done less blitzing this season than in years past and generally been less effective when we have.
Give Mullens and Johnson the boot and replace with more experienced assistants, and light a fire under the players and we’ll get better. The staff gets a B for intent and effort, but a D- for performance. A clear No from me.

by jabmi on Nov 2, 2009 8:50 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Voted No

Brown and Tandy have been stinking up the field and BS needs to step to the plate and pull both of them if Mullens and Casteel don’t have the smarts to do it themselves. For someone who sat on the sidelines and watched one of the best in Pat White, Brown didn’t learn crap. He is not a leader and seems to do better coming off the bench in relief. Tandy……..I cannot even find the words to describe his playing abilities. Well, yes I can……….they suck. Surely there is someone else on our team that is hungry and can play that position. The sign of a good coach is one who can adjustments when things aren’t going right. Leaving Brown and Tandy in this last game were huge mistakes…………kinda like when RR kept trying to run the ball against Pitt when they loaded up the box.

by WVUAnn on Nov 2, 2009 10:23 PM EST reply actions   0 recs

Yes

I vote yes, one game is not a season.
There is something I want to mention though:

I don’t think the defense is uninspired as much as they may just not have the talent. Rich Rod never really cared about recriuting on the defensive side of the ball, and I think we are paying for that now. I think Q-tip Motha mentioned how many ex-offensive players we have over there. We also look really slow all over the field on defense- whether we are athletically slow or football-brain slow(taking bad angles, making bad reads, etc).
Our D-line is great against the run, but doesn’t have much explosiveness vs. the pass-How many times have we had a defensive lineman flat out beat his man and get the QB?

by WVUSouth on Nov 3, 2009 6:53 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

Voted Yes

I put this squarely on Coach Stew’s shoulders and I’ll tell you why. First, did you really think Devine was going to get to the edge on USF – Especially this year with those two book ends they have? USF has speed, and the reason they have our “number” is b/c they match up very well with our speed. Coach Stew and Mullins should have had a better game plan. Some inside runs, some I-formation, double tight-ends, and even some read-option, which our team should know a little bit about. I liked the short passing game. We did have a great opening drive, but it seems like we went away from what was working. Second, our team has gone into half time trailing in several games this year against inferior opponents, namely Marshall and UCONN. That to me, means the game plan going in was poor, chalk another one up to Coach Stew and the boys. Our D-fense is terrible, especially our secondary. We play a 3-3-5 … and you mean to tell me with 5 DBs we can’t gaurd against the big play. I’m sorry, but if I’m the coach, you get burnt twice, you come out of the game. I’d rather have some underclasses get some time and get beat then watch veterans who should know what their are doing get torched over and over. Fourth, I think Stew gives our QB much too much room on that leash. 4 interceptions and a fumble at Auburn? Come on – yank him. Last – we’re going to loose to Pitt and Cincy, if our coaches are worth their salt, we’ll beat UL and RU and finish 8-4 and get to a lower-tier bowl.

by jerzieboy75 on Nov 3, 2009 10:50 AM EST reply actions   0 recs

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