Discussing The High (And Low) Points Of West Virginia's 24-21 Loss At Cincinnati
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 14, 2009 3:37 PM EST
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PrintThere are a lot of things that happened last night, some good, some of course bad.
Here are Saturday's talking points:
- The touchdown reversal was clearly the incorrect call. If it had been ruled a touchdown on the field, then we're talking a completely different story. But it wasn't. It was ruled a fumble, and there is absolutely nothing that could be considered indisputable about that video evidence. By definition, indisputable means beyond doubt. I would love to have the replay official look me and the rest of West Virginia fans in the eye and tell me that there wasn't a shadow of a doubt on that call. It simply was an incorrect call.
"I was going for the win," coach Bill Stewart said. "It was going to be tough to stop them. We really hadn't stopped them all night. I couldn't go for the field goal. I figured the game would go to the end."
- Against USF, we couldn't stop them so we punted from their 33 yard line on a fourth and short. Last night, we couldn't stop them so we went for it on fourth and long. I fail to see how any of this makes sense.
- Ryan Clarke carried the ball with great success. He also only carried it five times. I have been the #1 fan of giving Noel Devine more carries, and last night it happened. Only problem was that it didn't work, as he averaged a measly 3.5 yards per carry. On a night when our offensive line couldn't block the air in front of them, it was time to feed Clarke more often. If our running backs are going to get hit in the backfield, might as well have the big guy there to bounce off those hits.
- Speaking of the offensive line, the Dave Johnson era should end. The quicker the better.
- Jarrett Brown put on his best performance of the season last night. He rarely made mistakes (outside of the fumble, which didn't hurt us), he threw the ball with conviction, and he kept us in the game with both his arm and legs. It's just a shame he's nearly always running for his life. Did I mention the Dave Johnson era should end?
- Another era that should end? The Bill Stewart as special teams coordinator era. It has been disastrous, certainly since he took over as head coach. The way I see it, he has enough on his plate (if not too much). Hand the reigns to someone more competent able talented ... OK, just someone else.
- Sometime between now and next year, we must find a defensive backfield that is able to cover the pass. Whether it's lockdown corners, safeties, or dropping linebackers (hell, drop Chris Nield if we have to), we simply can't expect to win while giving up pass plays as we have this season.
What are your thoughts? Happy that we came this close to knocking off the 5th ranked team in the country? Mad that we're at a point where we're happy with moral victories? Did you throw a shoe?
Let us know in the comments...
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Mullen has to go
Last night we got one of the best performances of our team that we’ve seen all year. The OL stepped up, the DBs were slightly better against a good offense with fast receivers, and overall our guys played their hearts out.
There was one main reason that caused us to lose, and it had nothing to do with the bs td call. That reason was Jeff Mullen. It seems like in a nutshell Jeff is so obsessed with being balanced that he refuses to take what any defense is giving him.
-Ryan Clarke is getting 5 yards a carry? Jeff sits him for Noel or Jock.
-Defense is keying on Noel in the backfield, Jeff continues to run him into the teeth.
-Noel and Ryan finally start to move the ball on the ground as the defense shifts their focus, Jeff goes to the play action.
-3rd and long with the game on the line? Jeff calls a draw with our 180lb slot reciever.
The real turning point that pissed me off was where Cinci went up by 10, and Jeff started opening up the offense. We moved down the field to score in less than FIVE FUCKING PLAYS. WHERE THE FUCK WAS THAT ALL NIGHT? WHY THE FUCK WEREN’T WE TESTING THEIR FUCKING SECONDARY? WHERE THE FUCK DID THE OPTION GO AFTER THAT FIRST SERIES?
Jeff Mullen has to go. He has had two years to prove himself, and has only proven that he likes to go into his shell when his offense gets tested. He attempts no new wrinkles to the playbook, and can’t call plays to move the ball down the field even when given a superior talent advantage.
He has no business at a division 1 school…NONE. My only complain about Stewart is this: If Bill can’t see that he needs to make some staff changes to gain playcalling that is at least above average, he needs to go. If not, Bill is our worst coach since the Cignetti years and I hope our next AD has the balls to send him on his way.
Another
Confusing decision was running the clock out at the half with 32 seconds on our own 35..good Lord make a statement and play to WIN the game. We had at least two shots at a field goal before the half.
I agree the 4th and 8 call, here he says he was trying to WIN the game!
I am afraid we are settling for just making bowl games again..I am tired and I have a headache and its Stews coach bullshit speak that gave it to me.
KEN
This is another disturbing pattern for HCBS
and it lies purely with him. If we have the ball with less than two minutes to go in the half, he has not yet EVER pushed to make something happen before halftime. This is tremendously annoying.
by phucoffaholic on Nov 15, 2009 10:30 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with every point you made and I would add a bit more. The teams fundementals are horrible. You can’t spear takle everyone, wrap up when you takle. The zone prevent D we play the whole game has to go. Bring the corners up and have the linebackers do something other than stand back and watch the line get whooped. While we are at it how about getting off a block, or actually getting turned around instead of lettting the man run right by you. The playcalling is bad, the basic play is bad, the players have talent, but it’s going to waste. There is not a peewee leauge coach that woul have made thosse calls at the end of the game. Saying that you can’t stop them was your reasoning for not kicking the feild goal is bunk. Thats the exact reason you have to kick the feild goal, even if they score you still have a chance. The other reason thats total bs is they didn’t score sixty points last night, they were stopped more than once. Bill Stewart may well be the nicest guy in America, but he is not a head football coach. He isn’t a special teams coach either, but thats another story all together.
Bad officiating
Have you learned nothing from watching your mascot in the series “Daniel Boone”? He never whined like the By-Godders on this site. Take the loss like men. Its 2009 for God’s sake and replay officials insert themselves into every game. Having said that, the talking heads on Game Day agreed with the replay official, as opposed to the lame announcers on the game last night.
The replay official was wrong.
You can’t argue against that. That’s why you use misdirection by calling us whiners, etc. He was wrong.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 14, 2009 5:19 PM EST up reply actions
Boo freakin' hoo, Charles
Bottom line you don’t beat many teams scoring 14 points in 58 minutes….
That’s true. But it’s also true that it was the wrong call.
by The 25314 on Nov 14, 2009 5:39 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Should't the ball been but on the one even the replay offical thought it wasn't fumble
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 16, 2009 12:34 AM EST up reply actions
Ball on the one
Child please….the doc wants no more misdirection….if the ball crosses the plane (which it clearly did), the play is OVER! DONE! FINISHED! TOUCHDOWN! It doesn’t matter what happened after the touchdown, despite all the regurgitation of the Eer fans.
You are crazy and...
keep sticking up for a team you started cheering for at the end of last season.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 16, 2009 8:01 AM EST up reply actions
Congratulations on the win. I hope you beat Pitt.
Now fuck off and go to your own fan site.
It's Cincinnati...
..they don’t have fan sites. You need fans first.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 14, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
Don’t you just love teams who FINALLY make it to a big show, and don’t know how to act? Whiners? That’s rich. Look, My beloved mountaineers suck, at least the coaching, and we take a number “5” team, according to the talking heads on Game Day, to the last minutes of the game? This tells me, and should tell the nation, you aren’t very good either. IF you get by Pitt (ugh), you will have a major ass kicking coming in a major bowl JUST LIKE LAST YEAR. Again you’ll be a an embarrassment to the Big East. But, congratulations on your record attendance 35,000+, I’ve seen more people at a truck pull! But, be proud, now you can seat as many as the Cabell County Community College
Know what the best thing about Nippert was?
Going home.
I’ve never seen a stadium with so many port-a-johns in my life. Instead of building a new practice facility, they should build bathrooms.
I bleed blue... and red, but that's not my fault. I didn't get to choose that one.
by BabeRuthPose on Nov 15, 2009 1:24 AM EST up reply actions
Port-a-johns?
Awww, Babe we regret you didn’t like the portable johns but there was a lot of discussion pro and con before the blue and gold came to town….some of our peeps said we should just let you piss and shit outdoors like most of you are accustomed….then there was the other group of democrats who were concerned about making you feel more comfortable in a small upright john like you probably use in your back yard. Those who were concerned about your little feelings won out, and we imported as many as we could from Huntington, Charleston, etc. Next time we’ll just give you bed pans so you won’t miss another bad call.
Truck pull?
Just what is a truck pull, Homer? Actually, you’re correct. We don’t have many fans like the Blue and Gold. This is a fairly large city where we’re sujected to knifings, drive-by’s, race riots, etc. You wouldn’t know about those unless you get to watch one of the few televisions in MTown. It also means we’ve been able to spend our $ on other forms of entertainment that I guess you have to travel considerable distance to enjoy. Oh, I don’t know professional baseball and football come to mind, in addition to the arts. Now before you get those panties in a wad about the Reds and Bungles, remember they have both been to the pinnacle in previous decades, so we have hope for the future. What is it you’re hoping for, Barney? 7-5 season?
But the good folks in Morgantown do have “other entertainment options” on which to spend their $$$. They are in a place you’ve undoubtedly heard of, Pittsburgh, which is just an hour up the road (about the same amount of time it takes to drive across Cincinnati).
by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 15, 2009 11:13 AM EST up reply actions
Pittsburgh?
Yes, MtnEer I’ve now heard the name Pittsburgh twice this year….both times its gone into our W column…but reading most of the posts on here, I’ve been led to believe the By-Godders would never associate themselves with anything Pittsburgh. Was I wrong, or do you all drive up there to hear the symphony? Oh wait, you don’t live in WV, do you?
pinnacle
super bowl is pretty much considered the pinnacle in pro football
Ok you've been to the pinnacle
But you lost both times.
Keep the discussion to college football. If not, I’ll drop 6 Lombardi’s on you and say good day to you sir, or maam. Whichever you prefer.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 15, 2009 10:03 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed.
Keep it to college football.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 15, 2009 10:05 PM EST up reply actions
UC an embarassment to the Big East???
I agree….any conference that allows a team who lost 10 starters on defense to go undefeated in that conference should defintely be EMBARASSED!
The By Godders on this site didn’t hire Bill Stewart we just have to watch him screw up over and over again. The replay official screwed up no doubt, but thats not what lost the game. Besides that, it’s not just the one game thats got us all pissed off, it’s a repeating pattern. As far as taking it like men, screw you, areal man stands up and says something when someone destroys something they love. If you like to bend over and take it thats your right, and you have a good time with it.
I think the D played well enough to win. The offense needs to score more points. The kickoff coverage is just bad.
by The 25314 on Nov 14, 2009 5:37 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think I'm going to be sick
Read my post from last week; get rid of Johnson now, use power backs to pound the rock and dump Mullen. Before the ill advised 4th and 8 let’s go for it decision was the 3rd and 8 handoff to Jock into the line. Both decisions/calls were indicative of a HC and OC who just don’t get it.
I wanted to puke when I saw Stew talking to a UC player after the game and patting him on the shoulder. Unless he was hoping Kelly takes the Notre Dame job and he could get that player’s endorsement for the HC job in Cinnci, this behavior needs to stop. I like nice guys too, but after watching Billy-Bob do this after every game I am ready for a hard ass, kick ass, smash mouth coach who talks less and coaches more.
With respect to the secondary, I am at a loss why the true CBs we have, Pat Miller and Broderick Jenkins, are standing on the sidelines while K. Tandy runs away from anything that might result in contact. He missed at least two key tackles last night and the effort on each appeared as if he was playing touch football. If you can’t cover a receiver like a blanket you should at least want to hit him like a brick. If not, take off your pads and helmet and put on the flags.
BS said Tyler Urban would be all world before he left WVU. It’s interesting that Urban has caught just nine passes in his eight games. Do you think that is because he can’t get open? No!! It is because he is almost never a primary receiver and our blocking scheme seldom permits the QB to go thru the progression and find him. Stats don’t tell the whole story, but Jock is 1st in receptions, but 7th in yards per catch and one of the six receivers with a better yds per catch average is Urban. He is both a good blocker and a good receiver. BS should do what he promised last year, and this year and throw the ball to Urban.
More BS/JM wimp ball. WRs on this team do not block on the corners. When a RB gets to the edge they are usually taken down by a DB who was whiffed by our WRs. B-bob might want to think playing about Heastie and Steadman. They are young, hungry, and represent the future (I really hate to think about this) for WVU.
We knew both USF and UC had excellent defensive fronts and we still put JB in an empty backfield to then run for his life. Let’s not think about putting in Clarke or Alston to help pass block and perhaps slide out into the flat. And let’s not think about actual calling JB’s number because we recruited him as a dual threat QB.
RR was stubborn as hell but he wasn’t so stupid that after he stumbled on White, Slaton, and Schmitt he tried to make them in to something else. Other major programs go with their strength, why can’t we? Are BS and JM really that dumb? Pardon the rhetorical question; the last two seasons speak for themselves.
There will be no change as long as we finish over .500 each year so I am unfortunately hoping for a wipeout in the final two games and a miserable next year so we can make the change and move on. I could go on forever, but my stomach is getting upset again and I can’t think about this anymore today.
I look forward to the day when Stewart leaves the program. I’ve lost hope that there will ever be the growth needed by this man to be the leader of the program. Some people want to give him windows of 4 years, 5 years, whatever. I don’t see the point any more. I gave him last year, he threw away a championship team and I wrote it off. But there’s been no growth in MullStew’s tactical abilities. We have a superior offensive gameplan maybe 20% of the time and we are out-classed tactically 100% of the time. On top of that, it appears by the quality of play that our practices are quite possibly a waste of time where no one learns anything. The longer Stew has been HC, the worse our team has been fundamentally. At this point, I don’t think it’s debatable that Stewart is a below-average head coach. When the key leader in your organization has a negative VORP, and is not a growth candidate, you have to get rid of him. I’m done with hope, that’s over. I’ve tried to keep the possibility open that getting rid of Mullen (or having Mullen get better) would be some sort of panacea that would cure our troubles. That’s over. We’re a disfunctional program that is going to follow the ’cuse/Louisville model. We gain nothing by having Stewart as head coach. Give him one more year, then fire him.
NO SWAGGER
How can these guys have an attitude when Andy Griffith and Aunt Bee are leading the charges? Tey are NOT fun to watch anymore.
KEN
Double U
I agree whole-heartedly w/ your post, but please answer this for me. You do a great job of explaining your frustrations and why it’s “just not going to work anymore”. However, I must take issue w/ you.
“Give him one more year, then fire him”
Why??? I just don’t understand why he deserves a 3rd season. My biggest fear is that the administration is going to tell Stewart that he must get rid of Mullen or Casteel (they both have no business being coordinators…….the defensive scheme makes me sick. Being a Steelers fan, watching defenses that don’t attack and get exposed in passing game while slow white linebackers chase athletic receivers doesn’t cut it). This will simply hide the real problem, and that is Stewart, himself.
The resolution???? As a program, we need to “be a man” and admit we fucked up when we hired this head coach, who was NEVER considered a head coach candidate prior to the Fiesta Bowl. There is a reason he wasn’t considered a head coach.
I said the "give him one more year’ line in exasperation, knowing that firing him at the end of the season is a non-starter. It doesn’t come across the internet well, but it was sort of in a mocking, he’s-going-to-get-another-year-anyway-let’s-just-get-it-over-with attitdue. I’d be willing to fire him yesterday, I just know that this isn’t going to happen. What is really indefensible in this whole mess is that the dumb, sonofabitch, lying, snake, nancy, horse-fucking, father-raping, poop eating, inbred Ed Pastilong put a BUYOUT in Stew’s fucking contract.
(And before anyone starts with the “Ed brought WVU into the Golden Age!” bullshit, he cut my team. I genuinely hope that he lives a miserable life and burns in hell for for at least six weeks. Nothing you say is going to change that.)
by The Double U on Nov 15, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
which team? if you don't mind me asking...
I’m not an EP fan by any stretch….I passed him going down the Law Hill stairs at the last game and the thought did occur to me to trip him
I bet it was the rifle team.
Which, (in my rudimentary political understanding), was cut because they knew it would be strong enough to raise it’s own money after the outcry. Which is a pathetic thing to do to the winningest program at the university. A coed sport, with an incredible tradition of national championships, olympic competitors, and all-americans.
One more thing
A few weeks back there was a portion of posters who kept repeating “A win is a win” and they kept reiterating that this feat trumps the actual play of the football team, despite the enormous variances in talent levels between WVU and (insert team w/ inferior talent here).
There was a LOT of hell received by myself, Schmitt, 25134, roolgol, etc. for pointing out that when we play our true season (true season being defined by all games South Florida until end of season, where talent levels are closer to equal (we still have more talent though)) this isn’t going to be the case and that we had a right to be angry for the performance against those inferior opponents. Many would take little jabs but their MAIN argument was that we won and we should be happy.
Once again, the “soothsayers” were correct and absolutely nothing changed in terms of gameplan, special teams, defensive woes, etc. and thus the losses start to accumulate.
I feel it is my duty to point this out for those of us that were roundly ridiculed for not accepting those “scheduled wins”.
all I ask is that you support your argument
that our talent is greater than our opponents that we’ve lost to, especially across the Offensive and Defensive lines.
I’ll make the argument.
Offensive line – selvish capers is a 3 year starter that has NFL size and quickness and was projected as a draft pick before the year. Josh Jenkins was a HIGHLY regarded recruit. Donny barclay was supposedly pushing all-American ryan stancheck for playing te last year and was dubbed by stew as the next great one. Eric jobe started the last 4 or 5 games last year when mike dent was injured and we didn’t see much difference. We have As much talent as we’ve ever had. We don’t have talent developmers.
In addition, we returned all 5 “talented” linemen last year, and the line was dramatically worse than the year before. The one variable was coaching.
On the dedensive side, neild is every bit the player sykes was in 07 and scooter is still around from 07. Julian miller is far more talented than Doug Slavonic, craig Wilson, fred blueford, pat Liebig, etc. And it’s the same d-line that helped us to a top 25 defense last year.
Kent Richardson and boogie Allen started some games for the 07 defense that was ranked top 10. Nate sowers and Brandon hogan have all kinds of talent and athletcism. Give rhe lame argument that they played different positions in high school ( as most players do on all d-1 teams) and it sill comes down to coaching. We should teach them play rhe position better.
Good teams get better. Bad teams find ways to lose. Good coaches make their players look more talented. Bad coaches don’t. Good coaches’ decisions work out more often than not. Bill Stewarts decisions, without exception, always fail, whether they seem like the right call at the time or not. Seriously, when has his decision to go for it, punt it, field goal kick it, whatever, turn out successfully. You’d think he’d luck into a good call eventually, but he hasn’t. It’s really quite astounding.
by The 25314 on Nov 15, 2009 12:51 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
and
(I’ve stated this before) my point on the DL was depth related more so than talent. We’ve been razor thin there for several years, not just this year. DL needs more depth to rotate and stay a bit fresher. I don’t think many teams have guys on the DL that play as many snaps as we do (percentage wise).
Good article
http://postgazette.com/pg/09319/1013643-144.stm
Sounds like Stewart is being a little arrogant, ala Colorado ’08.
I love that probably 3 of the 4 factual assertions MullStew makes in that article are false.
-“Jock had done a nice job on that drive.” Jeff Mullen on Sanders. In that drive, before that play he had four carries for 6 yards, including two for losses.“It was a power play that we had been gashing for 6, 8, 12, 10 [yards]” Stew on that play. That may be true, I don’t know. We averaged 4.4 ypr, which is drastically less than what he’s quoting.
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-“We ran for about 200 yards rushing” Stew. Correct.“At 21-14, we go 21-17, they take the ball, and we couldn’t stop them, they are that good,” and “our defense hadn’t stopped them all night.” Stew. At that point in the game, our defense had stopped them 6 out of 9 drives, forcing 2 turnovers, 3 punts and a missed field goal, while allowing 3 touchdowns.
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by The Double U on Nov 15, 2009 1:33 PM EST up reply actions
I have no idea why that appears lined-out.
by The Double U on Nov 15, 2009 1:34 PM EST up reply actions
I love how stew always states, " that was my call" or “that was a bill Stewart decision”. Ummm yea….you’re the head coach, of course it’s your decision. It infers that other times he’s not making the decisions.
by The 25314 on Nov 15, 2009 2:23 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
I threw the shoe
O-Line: All night no creases for Noel andJB madly scrambling away from defenders in the back field. What would it cost to get a line coach of Rick Trickett’s caliber? Whatever it is, WVU needs to pay it.
Isaiah Pead rushes for 175 because both our rover safeties have to drop into coverage to support our corners. Top recruiting priority for 2010: a JUCO who’s proven to be a lock-down corner, or a high schooler who has at least played the position before.
Running Jock into the middle on 3rd and long instead of Clarke, who had already ripped off a touchdown run.
Not attempting the field goal on 4th and 8 with around 5 minutes to go. I’d understand that call if we were under 2 minutes.
Not using the timeouts at the end of the first half to at least attempt a field goal. We were positioned well enough.
Mullen’s playcalling looks good one series, then bites for the next two or three. The AD needs to lean on Stewart to get a new OC. Maybe Mullen can stay on as QB coach, he has shown some competence in that department.
high schooler who has played the position before
Wes Tonkery is has been a pretty good db for Bridgeport High School this year—good speed, very athletic, hits hard, and covers like a madman—I know he’s on his way to Morgantown
just hope he does well
but as a true freshman, i doubt we’ll see him on the field much….for some reason, this staff does not like to play the young guys for the most part—we sure could use pat miller and send “the tandy” packing for all i care
did anyone see him lose his jock strap about 8 times on friday?
After Reading the PG article
Stewart really sounds like an arrogant jackass. This pisses me off more now than it did during the game…we had two opportunities to kick field goals and we passed due to this incompetant moron’s decisions.
Doc Holiday is coach in waiting..he waits no more, I CANT watch this baffoon on the sidelines another season.
KEN
Stew Mullen
The longer Pastilong waits the further we will sink. Casteel was the only guy off RR’s staff I didn"t want to stay. Soft zone will let any passer pick us apart. Watch any of the DB’s in the SEC play man on man press coverage, they knock down passes not wait til after the catch and close 5 yards. The bubble screen does not work because they bring up 8-9 guys, we never throw down field or on first down and we don’t get the ball to Devine in space. A quick slant would freeze their backers on occassion allowing Jock and Noel some room. Why do we want to run our 175 pound scat back into the line and leave Clark on the bench? Mullen has got to go and take Stew and Casteel with him. Please don’t let the program go further into a tailspin.
Have you watched Florida at all this season?
I was at the USC – Florida on Saturday and they ran the bubble screen at least 10 times. I lost count after my fourth jack and coke in the game. The bubble screen is an effective play if used at the right times. Mullen does not seem to call it at the right times.
The bubble screen works. Deal with it!
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 15, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
The bubble does work. It worked for richrod. It works for mullen. It needs to be called at the right time and execute properly. Most importantly….it needs to be run to Tavon or jock and that’s it. Brad starks and alrix don’t have the lateral quickness to get the yards in space.
by The 25314 on Nov 16, 2009 12:12 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Arnett...
has scored and had at least two other bubble screens go for 20+ yards. Granted, two of those were hot read bubble screens and that makes our point. If you call them at the right time, they are extremely effective.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 16, 2009 8:03 AM EST up reply actions
The Thing That Makes Me Want To Throw My Shoe....
…our black-hole of negativity, spoiled, over-expectant, supremely unrealistic fans…you know who you are! Karma is a bitch.
Maybe once Pete Carroll is run out of USC we can hire him. Or wait, not good enough. I mean how did he give up 55 to a team with Stanford’s talent level.
Show me a good loser and I’ll show you a loser.
by The 25314 on Nov 16, 2009 12:10 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Stanford has a battlecrusier of a running back
didn’t you read the Shotgun/throwdown on tuesday or wednesday
"From time to time gunfighters get shot."-Mike Tomlin the third greatest Steelers coach
by WVPiratesfan on Nov 16, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
Karma is a bitch. So, I’m going to stub my toe later today because Stew is a below-average coach. Thanks for the warning. I love Stew defenders… when there’s nothing left to defend, attack the fans. Here, I’ll help the ignorant who have to attack fans, as opposed to make points in defense of Stew:
1. The problem is confined to the OL coach.
2. The problem is confined to the OC.
3. His game management will improve with experience.
4. Mullen will improve with experience and time with the players.
5. We’re still getting extremely fast, explosive players with Stew.
6. Considering the experience level of those in charge of the offense, it’s understandable that there are lapses in game-tactics at times.
7. That Cincinnati gameplan was the best we’ve had since the Fiesta Bowl.
I could go on. Some are valid, some are completely incorrect, but they are all better than attacking fans who are rightfully upset at the football being played on the field.
by The Double U on Nov 16, 2009 7:42 AM EST up reply actions
I Don't Feel Like It....
I am not in the mood to outline sound arguments to people whose minds will not be swayed. It is like arguing abortion. And if you were offended by my statement, maybe you are the kind of fan at which I directed the comment. I hope not. There are already enough of them. You did notice my qualifying adjectives “black hole of negativity,” “spoiled…” etc?
If this school had a different name, the controversial decision to forego the FG with 5:23 left notwithstanding, I think a lot of fans wouldn’t be so hysterical. If the score read Florida 24, WVU 21…on the road, more people would be saying “good effort.” But it wasn’t Flordia. It wasn’t the Swamp. It was Cincy, a program that’s new to the national scene. And it was Nippert…not an intimidating place to play.
As I said during the game: Newsflash: Cincinnati is pretty good.
Double U: I didn’t mean that you are going to stub your toe. What I meant by karma is a bitch, is that (not to get too cosmic!), I believe that the energy you put out comes back to you. Maybe the reason we don’t win isn’t the coaching or the players, but rather the black cloud of negative energy that looms over our teams whenever they play. Most of our fans really don’t root for the team, as much as they hope against hope that they will do something positive, that good things will happen. That is a big distinction, because when something bad happens, they can then preserve their fragile mental states and egos by saying: “I knew we couldn’t win. I knew we would fuck it up. Etc.”.
And Zipcode: I don’t define my life, or even let my moods be ruled, by how a team of 18-22 year-olds for whom I root performs. A person that lives that way would actually be the definition of “loser” to me. I am pretty sure I have done well thus far in life, despite your intimations. Thankfully, I long ago stopped giving a shit about anything you say!
Over Dramatic, Whiny Fans
Schools where a significant percentage of the fan base is angry and wants their coach removed, and their records over the past 4 years:
USC 41-8
Ohio State 42-6
Georgia 36-13
Notre Dame 26-22
West Virginia 38-11
Only the golden domers have an argument.
Everyone else needs to get a grip on the realities of college football. All tems have ups and downs
Hear, Hear!
Like I said, Pete Carroll has to go. Loser…only 1 national title with all that talent. And are you kidding? Georgia fans really want to fire Richt?
I forgot the most damning point:
The back-to-back illegal procedure calls on kickoffs. That’s just embarrassing. There’s no possible way that should happen with a 6th grader coaching special teams, let alone your head coach.
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 16, 2009 9:15 AM EST reply actions
not making excuses or defending
but my initial suspicions were correct, according to what I’ve read elsewhere. We run a twist on the KO and have most of the year. One guy twists around the kicker and went a little too far too early. That’s my definition of a ticky tack foul (a foul nonetheless) and if I had to guess, somebody on the opposite sidelines pointed it out for the official to watch (good strategy IMO) because I have never EVER seen that call before in my life.
You are correct.
Almost every team in the nation does it.
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 17, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
But do they fuck it up twice in a row?
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 17, 2009 12:05 PM EST up reply actions
here's his explanation (just presenting what was said, from MSNsports)
Against Cincinnati last weekend, the Mountaineers were so concerned with getting down on coverage to tackle Mardy Gilyard that they were penalized on consecutive kickoffs.
"I told them to get a little jump on that for Gilyard," said Stewart. "We tried it and got caught with our hand in the cookie jar."
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/stewart_mandel/11/15/bowl.projections/index.html
Just to let everyone know, Mandel has us projected to the papajohns.com bowl! This is pretty good news, we’ll get the SEC #9 or in the likely event they don’t have 9 teams bowl qualified, we’ll get a SUN BELT team! That’s pretty cool because: I don’t think we’ve played in Birmingham in a long time (forever?); I can’t remember the last Sun Belt team we’ve played; and this game is better than a New Year’s Bowl – IT’S ON JANUARY 2ND!!!
I just wonder if we can sneak into the St. Petersburg Bowl and prove Mandel wrong. Imagine us playing in the 2nd largest Russian city, that would be pretty cool (cold? HAHA!) and we’d be exposed to all those Siberian recruits. I’m sure a team picture at the Kremlin would look awesome!
FML
When will you guys....
be posting the coach approval poll again?
Can't wait to smile about WVU doing poorly!
Leave no doubt tonight! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Nov 17, 2009 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
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