Game Thread For An Upset: #25 West Virginia @ #5 Cincinnati
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 13, 2009 3:15 PM EST
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West Virginia Mountaineers at Cincinnati Bearcats, Nov 13, 2009 8:00 PM EST
Even upside down, the Bearcat looks cute and not at all menacing. I would expect him to give me advice on a nice pair of shoes rather than try to intimidate me. Or maybe cut my hair. You know, something manly.
Luckily for Cincinnati, their team is a little more menacing than a furry mascot wearing shorts. It will take nearly a perfect game out of the Mountaineers tonight to pull off the upset tonight, but in the words of someone we all knew and loved:
They will do battle as a prohibitive underdog. But they will play this game with the knowledge that anything can happen in football. On any given night, on any given field, it can happen. And they want it to happen tonight!
Guys, if that doesn't get you pumped up, I don't know what will.
Remember, leave your thoughts and comments pre-game, in-game, and post-game. And as always...
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MOUNTAINEERS!!!!!!
I find it completely awesome that as soon as I started reading that quote, Jack’s voice popped into my head.
Ditto
These Friday games really put a crimp on my productivity…. It’s hard to type cohesive sentences when you started drinking at lunch.
Ditto to the second power....!
Perhaps because I just watched a video tribute to Jack last week! But awesome! The beer is flowing like wine, and I got a pot of Chili on big enough to feed 50. If any of you are in Williamsburg, Va., where I am this weekend, come on over and join my family, my brother and I.
In the words of bluesman Chick Willis, who we are rocking out to at the moment: “I Got Some Magic For Ya!!!!!”
Kick Ass on 3.
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KICK ASS!!!!! LET’S GO!!!!
If you're in Williamsburg...
should we just hop in our canoe and paddle over? You guys got something like 15 inches of rain in the last two days.
Thanks, I’m headed to a friends’ house in Burke…Big Screen TV, but two cats…
by phucoffaholic on Nov 13, 2009 4:27 PM EST up reply actions
You Got That Right....
…it is nasty, wet, windy, and cold here. Hence, the huge pot of chili, and a fridge full of beer! Now, let’s do this thing!
The hills resound...
with the sounds of Mountaineer Football.
AND the sound of The Mountaineers ramming a boot up the ass of the Cincinnati bearcats.
Huh...
drinking… that sounds like a perfectly reasonable idea.
Someone will step up
We have all seen it before… Pat White, Slaton, Schmitt, Wilson, Hostetler, Harris, … maybe it’s Austin’s turn, maybe Lyons, maybe Pat Miller… in big games, the Mountaineers seem to come through… but they have to be up against the wall first, and we are.
All the old feelings are back.
I have been critical of this staff. A lot of people have. But here we are, less than 3 hours from game time, and I couldn’t care less about all that stuff. This is the feeling I got before 2003 Virginia Tech, or 2006 Georgia, or 2008 Oklahoma. This is the feeling you get before a huge upset happens.
If you’re not doing anything later, does anyone feel like turning college football on its head?
by Dr. Charley West on Nov 13, 2009 5:18 PM EST reply actions
not going to happen
i bleed the old gold and blue and i’m actually a believer in coach stew but it just isn’t happening tonight my mountaineer faithful. this cinncy team is too good, a old school pat white/steve slaton/owen schmitt team i don’t think could bring these cats down … as many times as i play things over and over in my head we just can’t pull it off and it’s because of marty gilyard. that kid will have three receiving TDs against our defensive secondary and that will be the game changer. we’ll control the front and play pretty good defensive against their running game but gilyard will put the nail in our coffin …
but i do enjoy the faith but when we do lose all those people with high spirits will just yell even louder for coach stews firing … it’s not going to happen people. his job is safe even if we lose out … if we pull a 6-6 season next year with geno behind center then he’ll be on the hot seat and he’ll have to either replace his entire coaching staff or he’ll have to retire and his coaching staff will be fired … but i think we’ll be a fine program with him … we’ll continue to be ranked in the top 25 … we’ll continue to get top 25 recruiting classes and we’ll continue to compete for the big east championship
my prediction for tonight though … unfortunately wvu 20 – cinncy 38 (we wont be able to stop cinncy’s passing game) …
buzzkillington....
just entered the building….
by mountie4life on Nov 13, 2009 5:52 PM EST up reply actions
Straight from Wikipedia
Bearcat, is a species of the family Viverridae, which includes the civets and genets. It is neither a bear nor a cat, and the real meaning of the original name has been lost, as the local language that gave it that name is now extinct3. Its natural habitat is in trees of forest canopy in rainforest of Bangladesh, Bhutan, Burma, China, India, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Nepal, the Philippines, Thailand, and Vietnam.The Bearcat is believed to have a horrid fear of the colors “OLD GOLD and BLUE” and its ears have been know to bleed from simply hearing Thousands of Fans Belting"COUNTRY ROADS" .The BearCat is also known to suck the Cock of The Mountaineer, A Majestic Native to The beautiful Mountains of West Virginia, Formed June 20th 1863. The Mountaineer, besides receiving Fellatio from The BearCAt is also know to hand out Brutal Ass Whoopings to the WannaBe Predator Mammal
…LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Jbleedblue
I Believe
The wife and I are off to the Lowcountry Alumni Chapter’s Gamewatch party. And I’m ready to party for a Mountaineer victory. I believe that this team has enough raw talent that they can bag this bearcat thing and nail its hide to our wall. I believe.
I have this picture on my desk at work!
I stared at it all day. It’s time to stop the bandwagon because as soon as we pound these punktastics tonight everyone will want to jump back on!!!!
LET’S GO………
God Bless America
WVUD
Alright boys....
Let’s kick the tires and light the fires
It's kickoff time...
let’s hear some noise!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Cincy is wearing red tonight....
for the river of bearcat blood that will flow through nippert stadium…
strangely
we are wearing the same uni’s as we did when we beat OU
are we playing chick fil a? nice logo wanna be's
God Bless America
WVUD
Keith Mutherluvn Tandy!!!!!!!!!!
Keith Muther funkn Tady Layn The MutherLuvn WOOD BITCHESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
Special Teams
still seems somewhat of a mystery.
I wish ESPN had a good shot of the kick off team. I find it hard to believe they got the same penalty twice in a row. That’s just poor judgement on the players and the coaches if they let that happen again.
But one quarter down and we have definitely answered their first punch and threw a couple back.
Let’s Go Mountaineers!
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 13, 2009 8:43 PM EST reply actions
?
Yeah, well special teams include punt coverage…and it is pretty good.
And NO, don’t abuse the Tandy for that one. I don’t think anyone is making a tackle on Pead there.
Looked like
that was one of my golf shots.
Great miss.
Taking the blows, time to give some more back. Keep going at em ’Eers.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 13, 2009 8:54 PM EST reply actions
That's what we need to see.
Keep this momentum going guys!
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 13, 2009 8:57 PM EST reply actions
Had this feeling
all week that we can play with them. Now we are showing it.
Keep it up guys. Keep the momentum on our side.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 13, 2009 9:00 PM EST reply actions
NOW!
I get some noise on here… if your a MOUNTAINEER fan… can I get a HELL YEAH?
special teams not so special
Hey coach stew, here it is 10th game, & the kickoff coverage still STNKS ….fix it
DEFENSE
defense playing better, but still need to recruit some defenders, come on guys wrap up and tackle for god sakes..
their sidelines look a little chaotic....head coach is screamin at assistants
fumble our ball!
God Bless America
WVUD
that is the biggest crock of shit I have ever......
God Bless America
WVUD
we are getting fucked there!
fuck you tessitore. What exactly does "indisputable’ mean? Because I have seen a whole bunch of shit that wasn’t even close get REVERSED!!!!!
does anyone agree?
When in the hell are we going to stop giving there receivers 10 yards off the line of scrimmage???? Someone needs to step up and bust someone’s ass!!!
And yes, Tandy did “cause” one fumble, but he’s still useless. I don’t think he’s yet picked up his jock strap from the big run earlier in the game, and he still can’t cover shit.
Sorry for the negativity, just venting.
LET’S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Up nexsssstt...at halffftime....
Lou Holtsssssz will review for indisssssputable evidensssce asss to if the football wasssth fumbled (lisp meter turned to 11)
piss on tony pike
Banty rooster looking P.O.S.
is it just me?
are the replay officials the ones that don’t recognize that shouldn’t have been overturned?
YES!
Why do we have replay? Seems like most of the time plays that are correctly called, get reviewed and then reversed….
that call was so bad
even espn is pulling out the rule book to show the replay officials were wrong—even Holtz and May, the most anti-WVU bastards on the face of the planet, are on our side
wonder what kind of halftime pep talk ole coach stew is giving, rich rod was an asshole, coach stewart is too nice, his aw shucks attitude kills me…
You are the kind of fan...
…that, aw shucks, causes us TO LOSE….you negative nancy! Just stop watching, will ya? I mean, during a game, it takes you effort to come here and be negative! Unbelievable…
I hate agreeing with Holtz
but man, worlds do collide and hell does freeze over.
Add May to it, and now I think I am in Bizzarro world.
Good first half. Playing them pretty well. Got to get in the qb’s head a little more.
Pike does look a little pissy for not playing.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 13, 2009 9:36 PM EST reply actions
yeah....hehe....
he’ll make a good replacement for scUM
all right boys
here we go…big 2nd half on the way—smashmouth football—i’d love to see a few more play action passes in there, that seems to be very effective since they’re keying on devine
WVU!!
While I want chaos with multiple undefeated teams from ‘major’ leagues, but a Cincy loss would help TCUs outside BCS champs.
whoops
I meant champion ship game appearance.
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 13, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
Damn It....!!!!
I hate that they are good. That was a great pass from Pike. I wish it would have broken his damn finger and fallen to side, harmlessly.
All right, O. Answer!!!!!!!!!!!!
Let’s GO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Be tea double you, where in willeysburg do you live, I used to spend tons of time there.
by The 25314 on Nov 13, 2009 10:04 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Uclers!!!! Stress!!!!! I wantto win so bad I’m losing my mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
by The 25314 on Nov 13, 2009 10:03 PM EST via mobile reply actions
jeff mullen
after cincy takes the lead, you’d think Mullen could call some decent plays to give the defense some rest and get at least a few 1st downs, he sucks ass
I know you guys know this...
…but Cincinnati’s 2nd touchdown was total bullshit. No way they should’ve overturned that.
Nice lookout block
By selvish capers
by couchburner on Nov 13, 2009 10:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
F-ck chili with noodles
Need a big defensive stop here.
Offensive line (other than that one sack) has been playing better. Corners are so so. Need to mix up the offensive playcalling as well as getting some heat on Collaros
F-ck chili with noodles
best post title tonight
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 13, 2009 10:27 PM EST reply actions
Rod Gilmore
needs to bitch slap his partner, on screen for us all to see.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 13, 2009 10:37 PM EST reply actions
Hey Ryan clarke's been working
So let’s do something else
by couchburner on Nov 13, 2009 10:44 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I hate
our Offensive Coordinator. He can ruin a wet dream.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 13, 2009 10:46 PM EST reply actions
Going for it was the right move
They were close to getting 7, which they have to have. Would have needed a TD after a kick anyway. Still need a TD after not kicking.
You ain't hurt.
you get a stop and punch it in, game over.
now we gotta get a stop and punch it in for ot
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 13, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
or we let
some hack back ive never heard of scamper down the field for 44 yards
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 13, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
but
what was not a moot point is that call in the endzone. big momentum swinger there.
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 13, 2009 10:51 PM EST up reply actions
ok wtf
your down by 7 with 5:25 left, at the 25. PUT THE GOD DAMNED POINTS ON THE BOARD AND FRIGGIN PUT THE GAME IN THE D’S HANDS. WTF
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 13, 2009 10:47 PM EST reply actions
agreed
Yes they would still need a TD either way, but the next one would be for the win and not OT
by Jeremy Mauss on Nov 13, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
Jeff Mullen is a fucking retard. That man seems to get his rocks off on calling a pass at the worst possible times, running it on third and long, and generally fucking up. Fire his fucking ass.
Its real fucking simple. 3rd and 9…you have to throw…fucking have to. You do that and you hope that at the very least Jarrett can get you some yards and put you in a 4th in short. Instead the dumbass puts in one of our midget backs and gets stuffed so cinci then has 4th down to pin their ears back and bring the house.
Also, fuck our receivers.
that should just about finish this game off, thanks for a valiant effort, too bad the refs and our coaches are the fuck ups
it should but it won’t, they get out coached every week, coach stew was given this job on 2 things, the fiesta bowl victory & pat whites endorsement, its been down hill eversense… stew is like NEHLEN part 2, he’s just a nice guy, not enough of an asshole to be a good coach… rich rod was 1 extreme asshole, stew is the other extreme, too nice, aw shucks…
does this season
put stew mullen and castille on the hot seat?
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 13, 2009 10:50 PM EST reply actions
this kid is pretty much single handedly torching us.
I’m praying for a pic 6.
Tony Pike
looks like the guy who at 35 oogles the high school cheerleaders at football games.
He’s scary.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 13, 2009 10:52 PM EST reply actions
I was thinking more along the lines of Uncle Rico
by Q-tip Motha on Nov 13, 2009 10:59 PM EST up reply actions
Special Teams....PLEASE do your job!
God Bless America
WVUD
Outside of the punter
Special Teams has been a let down again for us.
If they get this, they’d totally make up for it. At least for this game.
by BurghMountaineer on Nov 13, 2009 11:07 PM EST up reply actions
I am disappointed we lost...
however if it weren’t for that shitty for a Cincy TD…we just knocked off number 5. Good job guys.
God Bless America
WVUD
insert call between shitty and for
God Bless America
WVUD
I’ll say it again: FIRE JEFF MULLEN!
The dipshit calls run after run when we’re getting stuffed with Noel or Jock.
FIRE JEFF MULLEN
He calls a play action after we’re jamming the ball down their throats with Clarke
FIRE JEFF MULLEN
We’re running well with Clarke and he pulls him for one of our little scat (aka shit) backs who dance for a loss.
FIRE JEFF MULLEN
Its 3rd and 9 and he calls a draw with Jock
FIRE JEFF MULLEN
If Bill Stewart is too much of a good guy dumbass to see this we need to fire his ass too.
Fucking Joke
Anyone who says this coaching staff is good is a total and complete moron. run it on third and 9 then go for it on 4th and 9 when we could have tried a field goal. BTW on the last drive where did the play calling come from? this team sucks
I have voted yes every week to the poll about Coach Stew, but this week I am definitely voting no. I honestly think that 4th down call was one of the worst I have ever seen. To top it all off, we drove down and scored with 39 seconds left. If we hit that field goal, that ties the game. We can’t hit a 42 yard field goal? Has Bitancourt missed all year? Coach Stew and Jeff Mullen, along with the replay official, really cost us this game tonight. It’s a joke.
Keith Kuminski
OH, BS!
You take that view with the knowledge we score later. I think that call was to make it fourth and manageable. Are you drunk? I am. But that FG would not have tied that game.
by JP Fanshawe on Nov 13, 2009 11:44 PM EST up reply actions
Two Take-aways
1) The score of this game should have been 21-17 WVU. The 12th man on the Cincinnati team tonight was the replay ref in the booth. What a gift.
2) Jeff Mullin should have pounded them right up the middle with Clarke if he was going to call 12 running plays in a row. What a total lack of creativity.
by Pepperoni Roll on Nov 13, 2009 11:38 PM EST reply actions
We was jobbed
Overal a pretty good effort, I’m not unhappy with the team’s effort, but:
we was jobbed on the touchdown/fumble
the O-line still couldn’t block sunshine consistently
the D gave up a 99 yard score, and
how the hell do you run a scat-back on 3rd and 9?
I ben drinkin'
And I confused the length of the Cincy field goal drive with the starting position of the drive before it. I plead alcohol.
by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 14, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Honestly come on people, this coaching staff has some serious issues. Mullen sucks, no ifs ands or buts.
Big Picture
Pray tell, what is the big picture that I am missing? Are we taking a step back so that we can take a step forward?
I just don’t understand the thought process on our next to last drive. An 8-year-old playing Madden would’ve called that better. This was, however, the most prepared our team looked and the best gameplan our offensive staff has had this season. Mullen seemed to finally get that this team needs to run the ball and minimize the risks that Brown can take. Unfortunately, even at its best, this staff showed once again that they are still not ready for prime-time championship football. They’re getting closer to neutral VORP (or I suppose VORC) …maybe next year they’ll be ready to be a real staff at a big-time D-I program.
these half wits
came up with a game plan that held Cinci well below their avg’s in yds and points and the team played arguably it’s best game of the year
the best analogy I can come up with:
some people are calling for staff members jobs….ok…posit:
bomb goes off in Iraq (not a good thing, I think we can all agree)
oil and gas prices subsequently go up despite no interruption in supply but because “turmoil in the region threatens the supply”
losing a game → fire the coaches
sure there were questionable play calls, always have been in the past, always will be…nobody calls a perfect game
So the fact that oil traders pay attention to threats to the supply-side means that it’s silly to fire coaches after a loss.
I think you need to go to bed.
by The Double U on Nov 14, 2009 12:09 AM EST up reply actions
I think the long term has more people terrified than the short term, or, at least, the long term has ME more terrified. Barring some sort of intellectual revolution, I see no future of consistent sucess with this staff.
by The Double U on Nov 14, 2009 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Off with their heads? Really?
AS WVUIE97 points out the team played a very good game and came within a questionable call of upsetinng the #5 team in the nation. Let’s say we fire the whole staff. How do you think we’ll be better next year or the year after? How long was RR there before we won our first bowl game? I say Stew’s crew has that long to get us back to BCS land.
agree to disagree
yes they do deserve some time but in all honesty when was the last time WVU fielded a halfway decent defense? since the inception of the 3-3-5 it has either been a show of who can out run our guys or how easily the opposing qb can pick apart zone coeverages. they do deserve time but i for one was questioning the call to go for it on fourth when he made the call to throw. we can say “oh well that garbage review call cost us the game” or “ah that garbage go for it call on 4th cost us the game” fact is there are a number of different things that cost the game. a still young and unable to gell o line, some questionable calls, and some questionable play calling. the only bonus to take from this one was the lack of turnovers. it seems this team can not put it all togeather for 60 minutes. now who is that on? coaching or players?
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 14, 2009 12:16 AM EST up reply actions
and
is it on recruiting for the failure of castille’s d scheme? or is it the players. i think the scheme can work with the right players, the right amount of speed and the right d lineman. but when was the last time that was present? fiesta bowl?
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Nov 14, 2009 12:17 AM EST up reply actions
to answer your first question
we had decent D when we had decent DB’s despite the lack of a true cornerbacks coach
Yeah we got jacked on the call, but you are an idiot and haven’t watched a game all year if you think this staff is any good. They have been out coached every week this year, and it has been sad watching it. I don’t think the whole staff needs the ax, but honestly you really think the play calling is good? really? Mullen is terrible, period and coach stew has not business on our sideline heading the program. Back to back special teams penalties? really, can he not fucking count?
thanks for calling me an idiot
just for disagreeing with you. You have your opinion and I have mine….doesn’t make either one of us any smarter than the other
But VTsucks I HAVE watched every game this year
You’re still missing the point. Coaching turmoil does you no good in the long or short term. Set 5 year goals, like get us back to the BCS, give them time to get their kids prepped and playing before you go making radical changes. Stew still has a better than .660 record. Hell, we gave Frank Cignetti four years and he REALLY sucked.
by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 14, 2009 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
I’d buy the whole, “give them 5 years” if they came into a situation with players unsuited for the coach’s schemes or they walked into a rebuilding program. I don’t think either was the case. The staff pissed away a beautiful team last year. That team was really, really good and it was made to look really, really average. They were 16/1 to win the national title in August! However, I think Stew should get 4 years. Not because he deserves to coach a team he built, but that I’m not going to pay that guy’s buyout. It’ll be interesting if we go 8-4 next year how many people get behind offering Stew an extension so he won’t be a lame-duck.
by The Double U on Nov 14, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
I don’t think we’ll go 8-4 next year. We’re playing a lot of underclassmen. But I do hope to Gawd we recruit some real DBs instead of converted O-side skill players.
by MtnEer_in_SC on Nov 14, 2009 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
this staff had to institute some sort of changes on O
because other than Stew, the whole O staff left. Any new staff is gonna put their stamp on the team, happens every year…sometimes its good, sometimes it’s bad. It was forced upon this program.
I had to watch from home and they didn't show it
but my “guess” on the KO penalties is that we’ve been running twists on them most of the year and one guy twisted too far and the ref caught it (kinda ticky tack). I could very well be wrong.
np...I can sympathize
just don’t think I’m the least bit happy after the loss. I’m somewhat encouraged after this game, but not happy.
Seriously, Just Had A Fight With My Brother and My Dad....
…but I am right.
We just lost by three on the road to the #5 team in the nation. What bothers me most is there were only 35,000 people there and that was their biggest crowd ever! We held this team below their averages …and in the immortal words of Arreola….
“they found a way to win, and we found a way to lose. But you you haven’t hard last the last from me. FUCK! I am coming back!!!”
Beat PITT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I like the attitude. My observations
2nd to last drive – FINALLY going for it on fourth down, but WTF?
Last drive – except for the check down to Bradley across the middle, an actual hurry up offense!
D-line played MUCH better, just not good enough.
Goal line stands – I understand it’s zone, but I don’t get how telling our 3 linebackers to just stand friggin still and see what happens is a pro-active defense.
Arnett is a great receiver, but he doesn’t appear to be a good blocker. If he was, Noel would have turned the corner for serious yards at least twice.
Did Noel piss someone off at the end of the third quarter? Didn’t see him much at crunch time.
Offense in general wasn’t too bad, which if you compare it to the last three games, is a major improvement. Jarrett did okay, and ran pretty darn well.
Pitt in two weeks. Hope those young men get healthy, hungry, and mean.
BEAT PITT!!!!!!
by phucoffaholic on Nov 14, 2009 12:42 AM EST up reply actions
Yeah, I think he got his bell rung at one point too. He couldn’t get his chin strap buckled and JB had to do if for him at the line.
by The Double U on Nov 14, 2009 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
Tough game, BUT.......
—We still control our own destiny for the Big East Championship, as per posters comments last week……….oh wait, NO we don’t
—We still will be 10-2 which is what MANY on this blog said would be the boundaries for acceptability for a team w/ such good talent as this one……oh wait, NO we won’t
Here’s the “bottom line”. Those that want Stewart and his crew to continue coaching this football team WANT Mountaineer football to fail. You want to attend the Toronto Bowl so you can get a t-shirt at Wal-Mart pitting us against UTEP, and not only do you want this, but you want this EVERY YEAR. Those that want Stewart and Co. FEAR success!
That 2 play sequence on 3rd and 4th down was the most embarassing sequence I’ve seen my alma mater perform this season. 3rd and 9 and a run up the middle w/ a 5’7’’ RB. That falls on Stewart and Mullen, period!
Let's roll out the carpet and.............
Bring on the Mountaineers!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
by WVUColumbus on Nov 14, 2009 12:51 AM EST up reply actions
kinda like I said above
you have every right to your opinion…doesn’t make you right or smarter and it doesn’t give you the right to judge what I or anyone else wants.
and again I ask you and am still waiting for an answer from your other post
other than offensive skill players, how is this team soooooo talented as you claim?
and show me (links will suffice) where more than 3 people on this site
other than yourself, said anything less than 10-2 was “unacceptable”
but you can't answer either of these
so you’ll go in your hole regarding football and wait for the next sniff of blood
I don't need to.....
“go in my hole and wait for the next sniff of blood”……What I said would happen when Bill Stewart took this program over wasn’t a prediction. It was a forecast. This was inevitable and the truly bad thing about last night’s game is that it ended w/ only a 3 point loss and this will make some Mountaineers shrug shoulders and dismiss the loss as “not too bad”.
#1: Your statement of other than offensive skill players, how is this team sooooo talented…..Wait a minute!! This DEFENSE was supposed to be, and I remember you stating this too at beginning of the season, the strength of the program w/ excellent talent and experience coming back from last season.
#2: Am I ever creative enough to say something new?? Creativity isn’t the issue my man. Being right or wrong about the direction of the football program is the issue, and I am right.
#3: Don’t need the links….Quite sure 25134, Charley West and 5th Year Sunshine (named appropriately for his consistent “sunny” outlook of WVU football) all agreed that 10-2 needed to be the record w/ this talent level and schedule…..and they are very reasonable posters w/ a good grip of what expectations should be here at WVU.
If you disagree w/ what I say, then either you want Mountaineer football to fail OR your expectations have already lessened, in just 2 years, by us being a 7-5 or 8-4 football team.
by WVUColumbus on Nov 14, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
If you don't expect 10 wins a season
w/ the talent level at WVU and especially the Big East schedule, then please root for Virginia or some other irrelevant football program. I appreciate a sense of urgency from Mountaineer fans regarding the current direction of the football program, not ones who will follow Stewart to the depths of the Big East underbelly w/ the likes of Syracuse and Louisville.
by WVUColumbus on Nov 14, 2009 10:37 AM EST up reply actions
$0.02
What, praytell, is the difference between “prediction” and “forecast”?
I don’t recall any of those poters saying that 10-2 “needed” to be the record. My prediction, and I am admittedly a “sunny” poster, was 9-3, which is still attainable.
If you disagree w/ what I say, then either you want Mountaineer football to fail OR your expectations have already lessened, in just 2 years, by us being a 7-5 or 8-4 football team.
Read what you just said there and tell me how that makes any sense at all. You’re saying that if I don’t agree with you, I want WVU football to fail? Because my expectations certainly haven’t lessened.
What you need to learn, my friend, is that expectations should be based in reality. You keep talking about how people need to be objective, but you’re the one with a distorted view of how talented WVU is compared to the rest of the conference and, more importantly, of how college football doesn’t necessarily conform to the way you want it to work. There are hundreds of thousands of variables that play into why teams succeed and fail, yet you want to pin every one of them on the coach without stopping to think of any other causes. Things don’t always go the way we expect them to go, and it really doesn’t do any good to PANIC AND FIRE THE COACHING STAFF AND BRING IN ALL NEW PLAYERS the minute your “expectations” aren’t met.
There are lessons to be learned from observing other programs and schools, such as WVUIE97’s point about Frank Beamer’s record when he first got to VT. How about Pete Carroll? He has lost 3 games (2 blowouts) this year with superior talent. Do you want to fire him? Bill Belichick went for it on 4th and 2 from his own 30 with 2 minutes to go up 6 against the Colts last night. Should he be fired? Charlie Weis made 2 consecutive BCS bowls because he happened to be blessed with an incredible collection of talent he inherited from Tyrone Willingham. Should we go ahead and crown him a great coach? Mack Brown was average at Texas before Vince Young came along and then he won a national title. How do you explain that? Good coach, great talent, or both?
My point is, you don’t consider the big picture. You want to see Stew gone (with no explanation for who you realistically think we should hire to replace him) so badly that you can’t stop and think for a second how large his role is in determining WVU’s win-loss record.
And moreover, you’re so caught up in being right that you say everyone who disagrees with you simply wants WVU to fail. That, sir, is the very definition of being narrow-minded.
by Country Roads on Nov 16, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
Columbus is dead on...
WVUIE97, nothing Columbus has posted is wrong, this blog is filled with a bunch of blinded homers that never see what this program has become, it will only get worse with this coaching staff. If anyone expected this yellow toothed embarrassment of a coach and his awful O-coordinator to outcoach Brian Kelly then they are truly delusional. The only reason it was this close was because of Cincy’s turnovers, they would beat us 9 out of ten 10 times, this team is much better than the score indicated, and we have definitely seen a changing of the guard in the BE.
Only losing by 3 to the #5 team in the country after a bad call on the goal line will only give you homers more hope. You people need to open your eyes to what is going on here, it will not turn around for a long time with this dolt. How long can you people sit back with the mentality “we win as Mountaineers and we lose as Mountaineers”, Bull-fucking-shit. This idiot needs to go, we should demand winning, and we should demand coaches with competence. Don’t you get that the entire sports world laughs at Bill Stewart, he is a buffooon that is ruining this program and needs to step down.
I am done with this awful season, and I am on the verge of boycotting this program until they get rid of this moron. On the bright side Columbus, Toronto is a fun town, and I think we could beat UTEP.
I am ready for basketball, and I am ready to follow a stud hall of fame coach to a national championship. I never thought I’d see the day where WVU football takes a back seat to hoops, thank you Bill Stewart.
At least 5th year will stop with the we control our own destiny farce. And if anyone thinks we have a chance against Pitt, you are wrong, that team is superior to us in all facets of the game, and we will lose another. But heyyyyyy we are Mountaineers and anything can happen in a Backyard Brawllllll, whoopee, wake the fuck up people.
by EatSchmittPitt35 on Nov 14, 2009 8:24 AM EST reply actions
Very refreshing
to see a reasonable poster who is not blinded by the bright lights of school pride and emotional subjectivity.
by WVUColumbus on Nov 14, 2009 10:40 AM EST up reply actions
Everyone is entitled to their opinion
but don’t attack my intelligence or my “expectations” I am just so sickened by the level of judgments being laid out by these attack posts
if I'm wrong....I'm wrong
and if I’m right, I’m not gonna go around trying to rub peoples faces in my correctness.
I’m saying it takes more than 1.8 years to judge a program. Look no farther than VT with Beamer (I can’t stand the dude or the school, but he’s turned out pretty well for that school). He took over a 10 win team and went 2-9 and 3-8 the first two years. His first seven years down there was a combined 41-47-1. I’m not saying give Stewart 7 years…..but come on. This isn’t a fantasy team people.
you refuse to answer the question or to prove your statements
….but you remember. That’d stand up in court.
Being right or wrong about the direction of the football program is the issue, and I am right.
I’ve never seen anyone so obsessed with being right in my life.
The guy you seem to worship, Mike Tomlin (really good and smart coach, I’ll admit, even though I dislike the Steelers greatly), even said he was right for the job. Dare you disagree with him?
That's a reach of an argument....and you know it
Tomlin and Stewart coached together at VMI. He knows Stewart personally, and of course he’s going to endorse Stewart after he’s already been hired………Come on.
Mitch Vingle is...right for once.
The players put together their best effort of the season and have to settle for a loss because of terrible/bizarre/ridiculous play-calling…http://wvgazette.com/Sports/todayssportscolumn/200911140034
WVU MPA '07
WVU Ph.D. '10
Held Cincy to 23 points under their season avg of 40...16 under if you count the "Phantom 309" TD
You can second guess the coaches all you want, but give them credit for double teaming receivers and keeping Cincy well under their season average. Most everyone expected the secondary to get torched, and the game plan adjusted to eliminate that. Take away the Phantom TD, and this was a great game. I’m proud of the Mountaineers…they really surprised me by playing so well
by rumplestiltskin on Nov 14, 2009 12:21 PM EST reply actions
After you stop patting the coaches on the back...
for a gee golly gosh willikers good effort you’ll realize that Stewart and Mullen are alone responsible for the loss. Casteel and the defensive staff should get that credit you mention for playing the Cincy offense well in the secondary and holding their point total down.
It’s unbelievable to me that you could defend anything else, coaching-wise, from that effort.
WVU MPA '07
WVU Ph.D. '10
Chill out
He’s just finding the positives. Even though we didn’t play great, we were a whole lot better than we’ve been since the first half at Marshall.
by phucoffaholic on Nov 14, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
phantom td?
obviously crossed the plane prior to losing control, obviously a td….stop whining….fact is when you only score 14 points for 98% of the game, you deserve to lose.
obvious?
which is why the entire ESPN crew in the booth and studio went through that much trouble to explain the rules?
Ignore him.
I was at the game and had to deal with Bearcat “fans” talk more shit to me about basketball than football. Everything came back to Huggins and our lack of a National title. Oh, and how I wanted to fuck my cousin/sister.
And I didn’t see a single Viking attack. I was so let down.
I bleed blue... and red, but that's not my fault. I didn't get to choose that one.
by BabeRuthPose on Nov 14, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
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