WVU at USF Recap: No Guts, No Glory
No guts, no glory. I have no clue who originially coined that phrase but it is a sadly appropriate description of last night's game beat-down. Jim Leavitt had guts to go for it multiple times, while Bill Stewart forgot his balls in Morgantown. HCBS, I have defended your decisions most of the time but what the hell were you thinking last night?
It was our chance to show a national TV audience that we were a contender in the Big East but we fell flat on our face and got a mud hole stomped in our ass. The team played liked a bunch of Pop Warner kids that wanted the game to be over quickly so they could go to Chuck-E Cheese after the game.
The one positive to remember from last night is that we still control our own destiny in the Big East. IF we win out, we represent the Big East in a BCS bowl game. After seeing this team's play last night, it is a big IF.
Here are my grades for the game beat-down...
Offensive Line: F This unit was so bad that Josh Jenkins and Don Barclay had more tackles on the night than Reed Williams. I saw one maybe two plays where our O-Line was able move the Bulls line backwards. We got beat on the edge, up the middle and could not disguise a screen. We held on a numbe of plays and got away with it. the performance was terrible.
Jarrett Brown: D He tucked the ball away and rushed for two TD's but his decision making while throwing was horrible. Noel Devine was open as a check down reciever the entire game and had one ball thrown his way. JB missed open recievers over the middle time after time. After his interception, he was scared to thow the ball and it showed. I hate to say this BUT if we lose one more game it is time for the Geno Smith era to begin.
Defensive Line: C+ This unit actually performed decently last night. They got penetration on the run to slow Plancher down but then some of LB's constantly would miss the tackle. We still need to get pressure on the QB but that is more the LB's job than the D-Line in the 3-3-5 scheme.
Line Backers: D The only bright spot was JT Thomas. Lazear missed tackle after tackle. At least they didn't let USF's TE catch 12 balls over the middle.
Defensive Backs: 2% Robert Sands is a stud. The rest of you guys are bums. Keith Tandy, thanks for playing but it is time for you do the right thing. Simply poke yourself in the eye so you are not healthy for the remainder of the season.
Special Teams: B Kickoff coverage was good for a change. Koz punted well, even though his average will go down because HCBS had him punting from the 33 yard line. Our returners gave us good field position all night but Mullen spoiled it.
Coaching: F HCBS, what in the hell were you thinking? I agree with our first punt inside our 40 because at that point in the game it was fine to play field position. The second time, however, was one of the worst calls in Mountaineer history. Mullen, did you throw out the game plan after the first series? We moved it right down the field the same way Pitt and Cincy did. Then you did not call those plays again. WTF. I seriously hope you watch film and think, "I'm an idiot."
I am still shaking my head at what happened last night. We performed like many of the critics said we would all season. But let me be clear, so far, all you critics have only been right once. You are 1-7 on the season in your predictions for this team. By your standards you suck and should be fired from making predictions.
You may now come out of hiding and bash on HCBS and this team. But remember, you have been wrong more this season than you have been right.
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I didn't bash Stew this year
until last night.
I held out hope that this team had improved and tried as best I could to give him and Mullen the benefit of a doubt that they had us going in the right direction. I bit my tongue and tried to see the positives.
I just can’t do it anymore. He showed the kind of coach he is last night. A good man, but a bad head coach. It sucks, but it’s the truth.
by Beamer'sGoiter on Oct 31, 2009 12:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I can understand being mad but...
don’t be so quick to jump totally off the bandwagon.
Everyone these days seems to go overboard based on one "performance." Don’t forget about the games before this.
Be very critical over this loss because it was really REALLY bad but remember we are still 6-2 and control our own destiny in the Big East.
This could be a fluke but if it happens again it could be a pattern.
Leave no doubt tonigt! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 31, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The games before this?
You mean Marshall, UConn, Syracuse, and Colorado?
All are either mediocre or terrible. We struggled with each except Syracuse.
by Beamer'sGoiter on Oct 31, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just think a little different than most it seems.
If we win, no matter how ugly, I think it is a good thing. We may not dominate but in the end we pulled out a victory and that was enough for me.
The more I think about this game the more pissed of I get. HCBS really let us all down with his lack of testicular fortitude. Mullen let us down by going against everything logical. Not a good weekend.
Leave no doubt tonigt! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 31, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Winning ugly against bad teams...
…leads to losing ugly against sometimes merely decent teams. We’re witnessing that.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 31, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ugly wins
We just seem to be slipping. No killer instinct! Casteel plays a soft zone and teams pass at will against us then their running game works. We marched the field last night on our first possession then gave it right back on a quick drive with a pass over Tandy, who had no clue. We get the ball back and go three and out. It seems like a pattern. Mullen came out of the ACC where most of the games end up with a three point spread. No killer instinct! No toss sweep to Devine last night. We never throw a quick slant to hold the linebackers. The intensity of HCBS just is not there and it carries over to the team and the style of play. Under this system our records will continue to slide and we will be a 6-6 team next year. Jarrett can not check down and he was afraid to throw after the interception. Mullen rarely throws down the field in the first three quarters, then expects Brown to do it in come from behind fashion. We must throw on first down and keep defenses out of playing 8-9 in the box and taking Devine out of his game. We need a coaching overhaul with a lot of fire and intensity and a will to win by 4 touchdowns.
by TN mounty on Oct 31, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HCBS makes it very difficult to support him during losses
Some of the decision making just doesn’t pass any type of muster. He does a complete 180 in wins vs. losses, it’s almost tough to imagine a less confident, capable coach.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 31, 2009 12:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of decisions that don't pass any type of muster
by bicklefischerkane on Oct 31, 2009 2:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Get over it.
You’ll be happy to know they won’t be #14 this week.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 31, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone
has to make the tough calls
by bicklefischerkane on Oct 31, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s not a fluke when the team has looked the same in all 21 games. We are lucky and never good, we have just been less bad than our terrible opponents.
Bill Stewart hasn’t coached against a ranked team in the 21 games since Oklahoma and has still managed to lose 6 and look bad in most wins.
We had only lost 6 games against unranked teams in our previous 63 before he took over.
by The 25314 on Oct 31, 2009 1:07 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
How far??
Will we continue this downward spiral.
by Fitnetics on Oct 31, 2009 1:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
In defense of the defense
BJ Daniels was filthy last night.
by Simple Jack on Oct 31, 2009 1:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Taking offense with the offense
If we stick with what was working, and not tried to show off how many different plays are in the playbook (that all end the same way: with an indecisive JB scrambling), then HCBS wouldn’t have to make decisions on whether to punt, kick a FG, or go for it.
by Simple Jack on Oct 31, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
any grade above f for the defense is generous to say the least. the stat line makes bj daniels look like matt grothe
" Lord Stanley, scratch thier names on your fabled cup" Mike Lange june 12, 2009
by oldtimehockey09 on Oct 31, 2009 2:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Our former coach just got Zooked in Champaign
against a 1 win Illinois team.
Suddenly our loss yesterday doesn’t seem so bad.
by Q-tip Motha on Oct 31, 2009 6:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
it's still bad
This is kind of like an ice pack to put on the bruise though. I just wish he would cry again.
by wvdiehard on Oct 31, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's pathetic
that it makes you feel better.
Who cares what he does? He’s long gone and it sure as hell doesn’t help our team.
I don’t understand why so many of our fans are still obsessed with him.
by Beamer'sGoiter on Oct 31, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because he’s a big part of why we lost last night.
As I’ve said before its his recruiting biases that have given us an inept defensive secondary, paper thin offensive line, and wide receivers who were recruited to block.
That and well….karma.
by Q-tip Motha on Oct 31, 2009 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Our offensive lines were considered
some of the best in the country a few years ago.
I can’t stand the guy, but enough is enough.
He didn’t lose the game last night, our current coaches and players did.
How obsessed do you have to be to continue to lean on some nonexistent crutch?
We have plenty of talent that was amassed over the time he was here not to mention a winning attitude. Did he leave an absolutely perfect situation? No. No team in the country has a perfect situation. Everyone has weaknesses. We don’t do much to protect them or much to utilize our strengths.
Stop living in the past. That’s a sorry excuse. You’re okay with blaming the coach who has been gone for 2 years, but not the one who has been in charge of everything since then? That’s ridiculous.
by Beamer'sGoiter on Oct 31, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok…explain why we are lacking talent on both lines, the defensive secondary, and the receiving corps. While the blame goes on our current players (and to a lesser degree our coaching staff) Bill and Doc weren’t the guys who stocked this team with talent.
“We have plenty of talent that was amassed over the time he was here not to mention a winning attitude. Did he leave an absolutely perfect situation? No. No team in the country has a perfect situation. Everyone has weaknesses. We don’t do much to protect them or much to utilize our strengths.”
Three words: Keith-F*cking-Tandy
Our level of talent is questionable at best, and that “winning attitude” was likely fear of getting their scholarships yanked by an overgrown brat with a clipboard. Tell me why it is that we have players like Keith Tandy starting at all? Why are our offensive linemen getting tossed around like they have been? There’s nothing talented about our team aside from a few specific positions that we’ve spent a great deal of time recruiting towards in the past. I question anyone who can call themselves a WVU fan while continuing their support of the man who personally took a shit on so many of our former and current players (like our current punter for instance).
“How obsessed do you have to be to continue to lean on some nonexistent crutch?”
Not a crutch, just an observation. How much of an immature clown do you have to be to make some of your rants on here last night? Must have been hitting the sauce something fierce.
I’m by no means a Stewart supporter, but I can at least see where he and his staff are having some issues with the cards they’ve been dealt. I can also tell you that while one mediocre hire can set a program back, following it up with another one can send it plummeting to the cellar. Be careful what you wish for.
by Q-tip Motha on Oct 31, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t know why we have players like Keith Tandy starting. I don’t know why no one else has got a chance to start yet. WE have coaches who won’t bench him because they don’t want to hurt his feelings. Lockwood actually said benching him would hurt his confidence. What about the team’s chances of winning? That’s ridiculous.
Why wasn’t there safety help over the top? USF has beaten teams all year by going over the top to #2 on deep passes, yet we didn’t run coverage to give our corners (who everyone knows are a weakness) some help over the top?
I know rod was a dick. So what. Does that mean this staff cant’ do anything to motivate these players? All I’ll say is you cant’ argue with results. College football is a business and these kids can’t be coddled. There is a middleg round between too tough and too soft. Rod was the former, I think Stew is the latter. They obviously have no fear of getting benched ever or we would at least see someone get a chance over Keith Tandy. We have at least one freshmen. I"m sure he’s not great yet, but give him a chance.
I get pissed when I see my alma mater get its ass kicked by a team that didn’t even belong on the same field as UC and pitt. I get sick of seeing a team that is not motivated, has zero drive and doesn’t show any signs of improvement. (I was also going over the top on purpose last night. It wasn’t entirely serious, but hey, that was probably rod’s fault too.)
If we had players recruited to run a specific kind of offense like you’re saying we did and I somewhat agree, then why did we change everything?
We already have one mediocre hire. I was told that Stew was hired because he could keep the program going in the same direction. Then he changes the blocking scheme, brings in a coordinator who has no experience calling plays, and decides we’re going to become balanced instantly and under use our amazing RB just so we can try to spread the wealth to players who apparently aren’t capable of doing much against any team better than UConn. These changes were made so we could (in Stew’s words) beat what teams like USF and Pitt were doing to us. We’re 1-2 against those two teams so far. And we only one the one because of two red zone turnovers that came in the snow against a warm weather team.
This program didn’t need turning around. We were already successful. Stew said we could be more successful if we do things his way. So far, he’s wrong.
by Beamer'sGoiter on Nov 1, 2009 9:42 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
we may have been sucessful, but
there is a serious lack of talent and depth everywhere except offensive skill positions. Am I the only one who can see that?
by WVUIE97 on Nov 1, 2009 10:29 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
look at these numbers from the 2006 recruiting class (post taken from ESPN article back in the summer)
Signees: 16
ESPNU top 150 players: 0
Expected major contributors in 2009: 6 — DT Chris Neild, WR Wes Lyons, LB Anthony Leonard, C Eric Jobe, S Franchot “Boogie” Allen, LB J.T. Thomas
Misses: S John Maddox, CB Robert Williams, OL Eric Rodemoyer, CB Greg Davis
Verdict: The Mountaineers had a small class in ’06, and they could have handed out half the scholarships and gotten the same results. Only eight 2006 signees are on the current roster. Several from that class are expected to take a step up this year, including Neild, Lyons and Allen. Still, only getting six major contributors from any class is a hard pill to swallow.
by WVUIE97 on Nov 1, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions 0 recs
wow, echoing BG again
Why wasn’t there safety help over the top?
I kinda wondered the same thing, especially in the second half. They kept going to the well and we kept looking surprised.
What’s a goiter?
by phucoffaholic on Nov 2, 2009 7:54 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
he's still an embarassment to WV
They still refer to him as being from West Virginia on TV all the time. And I’m embarassed every time I hear it.
by wvdiehard on Oct 31, 2009 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
karma
this whole situation sucks. we’ve got great talent on the team. maybe some of the best talent we’ve ever had; however we’ve got no focus. i hear that coach stew talks to the team about this each week. I think this is important however you can talk and talk and talk but unless it’s enforced it’s just talk; at least if nothing else our former coach was an asshole that laid the smack down. i don’t know if we were better with our former coach or not; but what i think is missing from our team is enforced discipline and focus.
RR is getting his; and i am sure deep down he wishes he would have stayed in WV. We shouldn’t care anymore nor think about it. The fans hate him and he is stinking up Ann Arbor. Karma Crow is cawing…
God Bless America
WVUD
by WVUD on Oct 31, 2009 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
talent at offensive skill positions, yes, obviously
but on OL and defense….not by a long shot. Two of our DB’s are converted QB’s
by WVUIE97 on Nov 1, 2009 12:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who cares about RRod?
He’s no longer here anymore….it’s sooooo tired….i don’t really understand why people bring up Michigan…..they are irrelevant to me
by WVUColumbus on Oct 31, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Who said we'd be 1-7 at this point?
I said 6-6, and I feel I’m right on target.
by WVUColumbus on Oct 31, 2009 8:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Welcome back...
Knew it wouldn’t take you long once you smelled blood in the water. At least you are smiling for a change today. Enjoy the loss because WVU will be back to its winning ways next week.
Leave no doubt tonigt! Leave no doubt tonight! No doubt! They shouldn't of played the Old Gold'n Blue.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 31, 2009 9:21 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
It really hurts to say this...
but 8-4 looks like the best we can do now. Unfortunately, there is no way to say last night was a one time “breakdown”. Same performance as we displayed in several games, but our opponent was better. Unfortunately, we still have 2 much better teams to go…
by WVUEric on Oct 31, 2009 8:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this team
is really lacking in talented depth on the OL and defense as a whole. We’ve recruited to help fill this need, but they are young.
by WVUIE97 on Oct 31, 2009 9:22 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
and I think just about any staff
would have a hard time overcoming this issue right now.
by WVUIE97 on Oct 31, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
a bowl, just not a bcs bowl.
I say we will go 8-4. We will beat Louisville & Pitt, but lose to Cincinnati & Rutgers.
International Bowl, Here we come!
by wvman1960 on Nov 1, 2009 7:58 AM EST reply actions 0 recs
Play Calling Has to Change
What happened to the option plays we used to kill people with??!!! This offense is slow and predictable. It is boring to watch. The defense never gets a break. The bubble screen is our worst enemy! Jeff Mullen seems determied to keep using it until he get sit to work at least once!!!!!!!!!
by wvu96 on Nov 1, 2009 5:52 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
That would be nice, but unfortunately Jarrett Brown isn’t Pat White. He doesn’t have the speed to run the option effectively on a consistent basis and carries the ball in a way that makes him a fumbling machine.
by Q-tip Motha on Nov 2, 2009 1:38 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't see the bubble screen that much
in fact I only saw it three times. In a row. on the same serious. Each time for a loss or a possible interception.
by phucoffaholic on Nov 2, 2009 7:56 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs
Isn't This The WVU Blog That Never Leaves Its Wingman?
I hope we aren’t out sarging with the team….because a whole bunch of us have left the wingman on his own.
Perhaps the authors should consider changing that to “The WVU Blog That Majored in Appalachian Fatalism, But Dropped Out With Three Credit Hours To Go Because, You Know, What’s The Point?”
See you all with smiles when we go back to winning…come on, please someone make a prediction that we’re going to get rolled in our next four games and kickstart our run to the Big East Title!
by JP Fanshawe on Nov 2, 2009 2:57 PM EST reply actions 0 recs
Hey, we're feeling the loss, man
we do have high expectations for these guys, and we’re still backing them. Just because we’re down about what wasn’t even the crappiest performance they’ve given all year (see: Auburn), we’ll all be back this weekend, cheering them on and hoping for the best.
I only had a minor in Appalachian Fatalism.
by phucoffaholic on Nov 2, 2009 8:00 PM EST up reply actions 0 recs

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