Why Beating Marshall Is An Annoying Task
I am sure 5th Year Senior will be along later today or tomorrow with his game grades, but I thought I would take a moment and relay my frustration with this game.
We really can't win. When you face an opponent that will consistently make excuses for all losses, feel pride and honor in simply covering the spread, then taunt you like the game never happened, how could we possibly win?
Just since the end of the game yesterday evening, I have received texts and Facebook messages exulting the "close call" that Marshall put on the Mountaineers. In their eyes, seventeen points with WVU forced to play their true-freshman QB really is close.
Even the Herald-Dispatch gets into the act, failing to mention anything about "an injured West Virginia starting quarterback" until the third paragraph, still waiting to the ninth paragraph to mention Jarrett Brown by name. It's like it never happened. Marshall had gone up to Morgantown, played the Mountaineers at full-strength, and by-god did they cover the spread. Until the buried line that tells you that wasn't true at all. (Note: nowhere is it mentioned that the hits on Brown were both obviously helmet-to-helmet and thus, illegal).
Marshall fans, coaches, and players will talk of "missed opportunities," not allowing a true-freshman to dominate your secondary. They will talk about "containing Noel Devine," nevertheless he ran for over 100 yards and averaged more than five yards a carry. They will, of course, fail or delaying mentioning the horrid day of RB Darius Marshall, who was held to 82 yards on 25 carries and a key fumble.
Marshall TE Lee Smith, the absolute thug of a player that consistently jawed and continued hits well past their expiration, summed up Marshall's thoughts in a telling quote:
"There's no question," said Smith somberly. "I think their backs would have been against the wall. And, then, they would have had to do things outside their comfort zone.
"If we would have gone up, 14-0, they would have had to do things they weren't comfortable doing. And I think our defense would have beat up on them pretty bad."
Honestly, sometimes I wish I lived in Huntington, able to drink that green Kool-Aid that gives you the power to completely rewrite the script after the conclusion of a 17 point loss. But just when that sounds like a good idea, I wake up to a reality that WVU is still undefeated against Marshall, with the average score of 35-10 since the series resumed in 2006.
Unfortunately, for my sanity, I don't think Marshall fans will ever wake up. They will continue to live in a dreamworld that is still filled with MAC Championships and "missed opportunities" against their big brother up north.
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Amen, brother.
I’ve always treated this game like how I used to deal with going to my chain-smoking aunt’s for Thanksgiving….grin and bear it, it will be over soon and quickly forgotten. Yesterday’s game really showed me how meaningless this game is. Our players were much more amped up for Syracuse. SYRACUSE! As one who will hate Marvin Graves into eternity, I can appreciate that, but shouldn’t we have a special venom for our “rival”? But, the game comes, and….nothing. No one cares. Did anyone REALLY think Marshall was going to win? No, of course not. We can never beat them by enough to satisfy the Turd or some of our more ridiculous fans. We beat them by 17, we played like crap. We beat them by 80, they are a worthless opponent. And on top, they return tickets! I’ll take ECU over these clowns any day.
by rumplestiltskin on Oct 18, 2009 4:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
You hate Marvin Graves?
I had no idea.
by WVUIE97 on Oct 18, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lousy 17 point win results in Mountaineers being ranked #22
5-1, 17 pt wins, rankings…when will this misery end???
by rumplestiltskin on Oct 18, 2009 4:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure the 25413
Or whatever zip code that is, will blame Coach Stew for Jarrett Brown not having enough air in JB’s helmet.
by drunkeneer on Oct 18, 2009 6:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What WE don't need in WVU football Basketball Maybe football no
Politicians determining what a rivalry is in sports. Rivalries are born over years (think WVU-Pitt) not anointed by the governor of the state or the state legislature. Let the WVU-Marshall game die a respectable death. Marshall and WVU could both have a Friends of Coal game against a visiting team each year and profit from the game and benefit in the college rankings without the strained game now in existence.
by FredRock on Oct 18, 2009 7:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hit it Right on the Head, Doc West!
Landon is a complete douche.
WVU MPA '07
WVU Ph.D. '10
by roolgol90 on Oct 18, 2009 7:43 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A Word About Our Fans...
This topic has come up before, in relation to ticket prices, but I wanted to relay my experience of yesterday’s game.
My wife and I attended Saturday’s game in the cold drizzle. This was my only game of the year and the first she had been to in over three years. Now, granted the weather didn’t exactly have everyone revved up for the game, but about half way through the first quarter she got a funny look on her face, turned to me and said “Wow, this place is no where near as noisy as it used to be.” We were down 7-0 at the time and trying to hold Marshall on 3rd down after 3rd down.
I looked around and the people in the rows in front of me were involved in some lengthy conversation about their jobs. As I yelled “Hold ’em” and “Let’s go Mountaineers” at the top of my lungs, they looked back at me like I was violating their space. Behind me, the tweeners were texting on their cell phones. Two rows down, a drunk sucked face with his teenage girlfriend. Every other play or so I heard complaints about how inept HCBS was.
I’ve been attending Mountaineer games for thirty years, so I can attest to this change in the game atmosphere. We need to return to the days when playing at Mountaineer Field was feared by every opponent. Today, I’m sad to say that is no longer the case.
by Pepperoni Roll on Oct 18, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Before discussion on this topic gets going...
The authors will be dealing with some of these exact issues during the week. I agree 100% with your thoughts, though.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 18, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amen Uncle Roni-Roll
When we used to go to the games a long time ago; no one sat down. Everyone screamed FOR THE TEAM; not against, and Nehlan was the coach, so you know there was reason to scream against our coaching!!!. We left hoarse and tired like we played the game. Students stayed the whole game; even built fires in the student section when it got too cold. That made me want to go to WVU!!! Those game experiences taught me how to be a fan for my team. We intimidated the heck out of the other team. CHEER FOR OUR TEAM, MAKE THEM MORE FIRED UP, LET THE OPPENENTS KNOW THIS IS OUR HOUSE, FEEL YOUR BLOOD BOIL, SCREAM…it’s the MOUNTAINEERS!!!
God Bless America
WVUD
by WVUD on Oct 19, 2009 8:50 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FANS continued
I watched the game on Gameplan and as painful as that is by itself, I couldnt hlp notice all the empty seats, especially in the student section…what a shame.
I have to agree, the atmosphere at Mountaineer Field ( I refuse to call it MILAN PUSKAR because I hate that name) is less than intimidating to say the least.. Empty seats and quiet fans equals less fan support, but why? Whats happening to WV football? Its not the same and somebody down there needs to wake up and do something…We are now the third best team in the Big East.
KEN
by KENH on Oct 18, 2009 8:07 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We are not the third-best team in the Big East.
We have gone exactly one season without winning the Big East. Cool it with the hyperbole.
by Dr. Charley West on Oct 18, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with Charley
But the student section was awful. Everyone else, meh, it’s hard to get excited about Marshall, so I’ll give a partial pass on this one. Pitt will be the test, IMO.
by Country Roads on Oct 18, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually we are tied for first
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 18, 2009 9:56 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Grades tomorrow
The commuter college in Huntington contains a bunch of delusional fat asses. The fact that they were cheering while JB was almost motionless on the field just shows how much they don’t understand football.
I will hate Marshall for two gamedays a year and forget about them afterwards.
Marshall will always be more excited about our failures than its own success.
by 5th Year Senior on Oct 18, 2009 8:12 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
My 2 cents
I’ve been reading these posts for a few years now, and have been lifelong mountaineer. What I’ve got to say has probably already been said by someone else, and if not, I feel is long overdue.
I attended almost every home game for the majority of childhood up until my college years. It was about this time when I noticed how things started to change. Maybe for the better, many of you will argue, I’m sure, but I strongly believe we lost a lot more than we gained. Let me explain.
First, the new turf. Fair enough, nice stuff, easier on the feet and it looks a lot nicer. But say goodbye to the kids (those with dreams of being a mountaineer football player) coming down the metal bleachers (remember those ones the band used to sit in) and living their dream by playing pick up games and kicking field goals on the very field they just watched their heroes play on. That used to be me too.
But, understandably, we can’t damage the new turf we’ve paid so much money for, and maybe this change is one that we definitely needed. We’ll just stay off the field and “celebrate responsibly.” And after the game is over and everyone has cleared out, maybe the majority has forgotten those days when it was okay to go out onto the field.
My second topic—these “heroes” we have gained to look up to. And I can firmly point the finger at a certain individual that embarasses me everytime they mention he is from West Virginia. Just thank god he doesn’t live here any longer. Pacman Jones. Chris Henry. There have been other examples, but I’ve erased those quickly from my memory. These are just the standouts. I want to win a million times more than the next guy. I despise losing, just like many of you. Losing affects my quality of life until we have redeemed ourselves. But I refuse to sell my soul in order to win.
I am about to have my first child, a boy. And he will be born a mountaineer. He will hate Pitt from the day he learns how to dislike something. And he will look up to the mountaineer football players, just like I did, and just like many of you did. But I can’t in good conscience allow that to happen if we were to continue to bring trash like that into our program. In that instance, I can defintely say thank God above for HCBS.
Third on my list is the “Milan Puskar” stadium. KENH hit the nail on the head. It’s Mountaineer Field. Always has been, always will be.
Fourth, the stadium itself. Big jumbotron-like thing over the tunnels. That does look nice. Much nicer than the old scoreboard above the opposite end zone. It’s a crying shame that the jumbotron is louder than the crowd. Always. Maybe that because we decided to take out all of those seats to put in “sky-boxes.” I remember standing behind the end zone in front of the tunnels back in the day, and you could actually feel the stadium shake. Not because of a stereo, just the crowd noise. We would cram 75,000-80,000 people into the stadium. Now how many can we fit? 65,000? That makes a lot of sense. Lets take away seats and jack up ticket prices. Double whammy. Less seats available and less people that can afford to attend the game. Great idea for the fanbase…….(sarcasm intended)
As these changes came into place, I found myself going to fewer and fewer games. I never miss watching a game, but I almost can’t stomach the sickening feeling in the pit of my stomach I get when I see what has happened to Mountaineer football. Many of these changes came about due to the "image’ that RR had for our program. And I, just like everyone else in the state, drank the kool-aid and assumed it was for the good of the program and the university. But now I see the big picture.
My apologies for the long post, but it’s been a long time coming for me. We will rise to the top and get back at least some of what we once had. I just don’t know how much we can recover.
by wvdiehard on Oct 18, 2009 10:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Not That You Need Any Props....
…but great post Dr. Charley. I reiterate that I miss the old Marshall, but their fans are just, well, delusional. I thought the Gazette was interesting this morning. Reading Hickman’s game story and then Smock’s was enlightening. Smock leads the way in Green Spin.
I am glad our next game is at home, in case Geno gets the start….some extra time to adjust before a road game. I am deeply saddened to hear about UConn’s corner, too. Just bizarre…stabbed at a school-sanctioned dance? I really hate the thought that we are here today, and maybe gone tomorrow.
We didn’t cover, although we had a shot….so B-plus from me. But we really dominated the second half, defensively. And, from the woulda coulda shoulda dept., had they not had Cody Slate, they wouldn’t have gotten a first down in the last two quarters.
by JP Fanshawe on Oct 18, 2009 10:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And When I Say The "Old Marshall"...
I mean when they were battling Boise St. in the 1-AA….
by JP Fanshawe on Oct 18, 2009 10:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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